Can a bitcoin holder be an addict to bitcoin holding?

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Maybe says Mr Know all Satofan44. Or he is referring to buyers and sellers that pay with bitcoin.

I know this guy is good in technical discussions, but there are times that he is posting rubbish. 348Judah posted about bitcoin usage. What he meant was that people do not lose. I concluded that what he will mean is people to be using bitcoin to buy and sell goods and services, but I also talk about holding.

Maybe Mr Know all Satofan44 did not read all what I posted, but see what he posted:

We can easily understand what you are trying to talk about, but bitcoin is not what someone can abuse, so it is not an addiction if you are using bitcoin to trade or if you hold it.

Nonsense, anything can become an addiction and can be abused including Bitcoin. Just because you can't wrap your mind around concepts like addiction, that does not make something impossible.

But this was what I posted in full:

We can easily understand what you are trying to talk about, but bitcoin is not what someone can abuse, so it is not an addiction if you are using bitcoin to trade or if you hold it. I am not talking about bitcoin or crypto trading using bitcoin as pairs, I mean if you are using it to buy things and also accepting it from people that want to buy something from you. But it is very distinct that if you hold bitcoin, you will make profit from it.

Despite I mentioned that I am not talking about trading, see the rubbish that he posted. Satofan44 may be spamming with some good posts in-between his post history. Please, people should monitor his post. He did not read everything that I posted, but quote half of what I posted, and he posted insults like he is a fool.

[Satofan44]

You should read this book. You are shitposting nonsense all the time because you are an uneducated and filthy 3rd world pajeet, perhaps some internet warrior will defend your stupidity here. Don't blame them for being stupid, they are just poor little savages!  



Without even trying at all my posts are better than the posts of 99.9% of the users here, and no amount of salt will change that.  

This thread could be closed as it was now explained by several members, but I assume it will be left open to reach 30 pages of useless and generic shitposts by people who have 0 education about addiction (or anything else for that matter). Let's see.

Derivative threads count too, my how predictable the savages are.

¯\_(ツ)_/¯

[_act_]

You should read this book. You are shitposting nonsense all the time because you are an uneducated and filthy 3rd world pajeet, perhaps some internet warrior will defend your stupidity here. Don't blame them for being stupid, they are just poor little savages!  Roll Eyes

This your spam let me know that you are more of an animal.

Your stupid thinking of not understanding someone let me know how foolish you are. You think you come from the Western nation, but I guess hell is where you come from.

You lack respect, you are a racist that think can talk to anyone anyhow. I hope your stupid nature will not continue.

This thread would have been better self-moderated for an animal like you.

You may think you are a good poster, but the animals I have with me in my house are much more better than what you think you are posting, and also better than you to me to know how useless you are to me.

I do not gain anything from you than irrelevant arguments and quarrel, you may be useful to those in technical discussionsa bitcoin, but know that I know way to avoid scammers and other bad people which is all that I want. You are of no use to me

You are recommending me a book that I did not need. I know about addition than (you that read it and understood that there is no addiction in bitcoin holding or using it to buy and sell goods and services).

Please, can better people post and leave this moron alone.

[Satofan44]

You are recommending me a book that I did not need. I know about addition than (you that read it and understood that there is no addiction in bitcoin holding or using it to buy and sell goods and services).

Absolutely you can get addicted to all of those behaviors, including Bitcoin holding, Bitcoin payments and Bitcoin trading and the latter is the most frequent of the 3. Just because something is extremely rare, that does not make it impossible. Like I said, you are an uneducated 3rd world pajeet and you have just proved it again with your "knowledge". "I'm just stupid, racism racism, someone please help me"

The list of things that one can not get addicted to is extremely small that it is not worth mentioning at all, and probably some deranged human specimen will find a way to get addicted to those things in weird ways too.

I know about addition than

You can't even write coherent sentences, you should give it up -- you are just a mentally handicapped shitposter from the 3rd world hoping to get some validation from the few examples of misplaced kindness that is sometimes given by a few members here who don't know any better. You can't fool anyone with a working brain that isn't deranged by leftism though. "At least he tries hard, give him a participation medal!".

¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Even pajeet LLM ChatGPT confirms it in this un-edited quote:

Yes — those can absolutely become addiction-like or compulsive for some people, though the mechanisms can differ. For example:

Trading crypto can resemble gambling addiction for certain people because of:

• rapid wins/losses,
• unpredictability,
• constant price checking,
• adrenaline,
• “maybe this next trade changes everything” thinking,
• social hype and FOMO.

Holding Bitcoin (“HODLing”) can become obsessive in a different way:

• constantly checking portfolio value,
• tying identity or self-worth to the asset,
• doomscrolling news,
• inability to mentally disengage,
• treating every life decision through the lens of the asset.

That’s not automatically addiction, but it can become compulsive or anxiety-driven.

Paying with Bitcoin usually isn’t addictive by itself, but someone could become psychologically attached to:

• the ideology,
• the feeling of autonomy,
• the community,
• the ritual,
• or the identity associated with using crypto.

These are some basic ideas that it is able to predict, the rarer the way it manifests the more unlikely it is that an LLM would suggest that specific form of manifestation. Anyway the conclusion is:

Yes — people can develop addiction-like patterns around a very wide range of behaviors, including ones that seem rare, unusual, or highly specific.

I even acted as an editor for some papers about this very topic in a niche variant, but you are too stupid to find out who I am.  

[Vod]

To answer the question - anything that releases dopamine can get you addicted.  If someone gets a rush each time the price goes up and it is not nullified when the price goes down - that could be an addiction.  It would be stupid to stop such an addiction though since it gives the user pleasure without consequences. 

[Satofan44]

To answer the question - anything that releases dopamine can get you addicted.  If someone gets a rush each time the price goes up and it is not nullified when the price goes down - that could be an addiction.  It would be stupid to stop such an addiction though since it gives the user pleasure without consequences.  

Yeah, that is what the AI said basically just in a more nuanced and detailed way. I didn't paste that part, but it should be obvious that there are uniting threads across behaviors. I mean people can even get themselves programmed to release dopamine with behaviors that don't work for other people, which albeit rare would happen mostly subconsciously. That is one way that they can get addicted to something very unusual, but there are other mechanisms that compel them to engage in those behaviors besides addiction.

When average people usually talk about addictions such as the person who opened the thread, they are talking about compulsive behaviors in general more often than not since they do not know the real definition of an addiction. It is just one of those words that is overused in normal talk, and because it is heard frequently many people believe that they know what it means. The definitions in scientific literature are quite different than what people believe, otherwise they would not make basic errors regarding these topics.

[Lontor]

3rd world countries have really suffered in the hands of Satofan
If you @Satofan44 is in the midst of such people you will start poisoning them or killing them it seems.

The hate you have towards them is like that of the German Warlords over the Jews, poor little savages? Man, people need to be very careful around you, damn, you are dangerous to yourself and people around you.  

I fear 😨 the type of mind that you have, it's really scary and gory at the same time, it is only God that can change and heal you, many people are sick in this world and I just find one online.

[(BTC)]

Addiction is literally just the disorder of relapsing over and over and over. The human that is addicted, will persist in the face of repeated harm. They either forget, or let the "good feeling" blind them, and repeat. People nowadays don't realize that addiction and fixation (not to be confused with passion) go hand in hand, for the most part. This can be applied to almost any thing, any concept, etc - especially bitcoin. It's a type of money, and finances/financial health aren't exactly the majority of human's...forte...so to speak. It doesn't help that bitcoin comes neatly packaged with quite a bit of responsibility/accountability on the person who owns the coins, in a world that makes it very easy (via lazy ways out) to get by with letting go of said responsibility/accountability. It's easy to get lost in the sauce, especially with how much misinformation there is online revolving anything to do with money. I think repeated mistakes, from people swearing they're right/know what they're doing, are seen all the time here, no?

[Vaculin]

3rd world countries have really suffered in the hands of Satofan

I am from a third-world country, and I don’t feel like a victim of satofan.

You know what I did? I just ignored him because it is hard to win an argument with someone like that. Whatever the topic is, even in gambling discussions where I am very active, it usually goes nowhere.

And honestly, I felt victorious after doing that because sometimes ignoring is already the best response.  


But i can say satofan is really smart ( period)..

[YOSHIE]

I see here that there are further different tactics and phenomena that will occur here, perhaps it will lead to (cyberbullying) I can only suggest that both refer to the 'ignore' button, that way might be better.

Maybe I don't care what you two want to talk about Bitcoin, the point is that the nature of trolls is one of the problems I often see that can easily provoke emotions, triggering heated debates and also the main goal is to disrupt the conversation/deliberately derail the discussion, all of this must be understood, no matter who started it first, For this reason, if no one wants to give in, of course this discussion will be long, in the end of the story, the two of you can resolve this phenomenon.

[Satofan44]

I see here that there are further different tactics and phenomena that will occur here, perhaps it will lead to (cyberbullying) I can only suggest that both refer to the 'ignore' button, that way might be better.

Maybe I don't care what you two want to talk about Bitcoin, the point is that the nature of trolls is one of the problems I often see that can easily provoke emotions, triggering heated debates and also the main goal is to disrupt the conversation/deliberately derail the discussion, all of this must be understood, no matter who started it first, For this reason, if no one wants to give in, of course this discussion will be long, in the end of the story, the two of you can resolve this phenomenon.

This thread is pointless. The issue first began when I busted his misinformation relating to a technical concept after which he opened a thread to go after me and lost because he was objectively wrong, there was nothing to debate. Instead of learning that lesson or issuing an ignore¹, he opened up another thread in which he is proven wrong yet again. One does not need to be nice to be right, that is a fact of life that many continue to vehemently reject as if they were still toddlers throwing a tantrum. Instead of engaging in flame wars using misinformation, he should continue to pretend being a good-doer in his quest to farm trust inclusions.  

[1] Many people will do that here when they have been proven wrong, it is funny since it reflects exactly what happens in the real world with pseudo-knowledge possessing, wannabe intellectual average Joe.

Case closed. Topic author, walk away with some dignity.

It seems that 3rd world savages are not yet cognitively developed enough to have any concept of dignity. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

[SuperBitMan]

_act_ I was really thinking people like Satofan44 is already in your ignore list, everyone knows his kind of person so people won’t even take this thread seriously this is what he those always I will advise you to put him in your ignore list if you can’t take his nonsense anymore that way you won’t be seeing his rubbish and baseless writing that is totally spam.
Remember his still holding the title of bitcointalk forum biggest moron of the year.

[Amphenomenon]

Someone can be addicted to bitcoin and this include holding, even if this might be really rare there is a possibility of it occurring and Vod gave a clear response but I will like to add that addiction can have both negative or positive effects especially depending on what such individual is addicted to.

[Majestic-milf]

I am from a third-world country, and I don’t feel like a victim of satofan.

You know what I did? I just ignored him because it is hard to win an argument with someone like that. Whatever the topic is, even in gambling discussions where I am very active, it usually goes nowhere.

And honestly, I felt victorious after doing that because sometimes ignoring is already the best response.  


But i can say satofan is really smart ( period)..

He makes it sound like being from a third world country is a bad thing. Even if he were the smartest person in the world, it still doesn't count as basis to look down on others. I'm not saying this because I'm hurt or bothered by his pattern of speech and discussion, because it's a free world where people can say what they wanna, but it won't hurt him to be at least civil. This isn't a prison yard where you talk like everyone's your enemy.

[lovesmayfamilis]

Okay, let's look at it from the other side. What is hoarding? What is greed? What could be the consequences of storing without a purpose, as one of the speakers on that topic said?

As long as You're not investing without a proper plan in place, investing much in bitcoin is more of a good to the investor than anything bad.

Hoarding is a desire for profit; it is greed, and therefore, the consequences can be great, both for him and for others (I'm not saying that this is a system). Example: There are many people in the world who are concerned about accumulating something. They "save" on a lot; they can "save" on their family, on their children, saying that what he gives them (just a little bit) is enough for them, saying that he is building a "bright future." And yes, he rejoices when the price goes up, but does not cash out because his greed cannot be satisfied; he suffers when his capital decreases, and the price falls. As a result, they save not only on themselves, but also on everything that a normal person can use, without giving a normal life to their children and loved ones.

Can't it be? And it can't be called an addiction?

There are several topics here on the forum where people talk about the same thing a thousand times. For example: "Don't sell your bitcoin," "invest by saving," "buy buy buy buy buy buy," and so on and so forth. Anyone who reads this (coming from the outside) may think that there is some kind of sect here.

Yes, investing is good, but you don't have to go crazy. So, we save now so we can live later? We live one and only one life; some can afford to spend more, some less. Someone invests, and someone just spends. But being obsessed with hoarding, besides being a big sin, is just not normal. But being obsessed with hoarding, besides being a big sin, is just not normal.

There should be a measure and a calm attitude in everything, and yes, it is also important to take the point of view of another person, maybe not quite financially needy, in order to see and hear his opinion. Everyone here has different opportunities and different views, so anything that someone doesn't like doesn't have to be wrong.

[goldkingcoiner]

An addiction requires a quick reward in the form of dopamine release. Whenever you win in gambling, your brain rewards you... Every time you do cocaine or some other addictive substance, your brain releases dopamine. That unjustified release of dopamine starts rewiring your brain until it believes that it must do x thing to get the dopamine reward. That is what addiction is.

Where is the short term dopamine rush in hodling? There is none. Therefore it cannot be an addiction.