No toll fee, but there will be environmental protection fee

[Karl_3000]

I'm quite surprised that you came to debate the undebatable. If you consider the arithmetic and economics rounding this, you will know that the US has significantly low trade crossing that path via water, which invariably means Trump will weigh the option as "not much" in latter effect compared to how it would have affected the US if the trade dependence is high. But the problem is that you are only looking at the present.

I am not saying US will be bother, I am saying that if they think the toll or environmental protection fee will not affect them, they are deceiving themselves. It will affect the US through international trade dynamics, supply chain expenses, and global market competition. You said it will affect you and I but you exclude the US.

US import 2.5% oil through the Strait but import 20% of fertilizers through the Strait.

[bhadz]

They should give this to Iran just to let it go and end the war. I am sure that the shipping vessels and companies that are passing through there would be happy to comply.

You think vessels passing an international waterway would be happy to be extorted in millions of dollars, how can you imagine such a thing, who likes extortion? Only those imposing it i'm sure. I don't understand how many of you don't know that this is a terrible proposal that benefits nobody, other than Iran.

It also sets a dangerous precedent, i mean, if Iran is allowed to extort vessels at sea, what stops other countries that border important international route/passage from doing the same?

Yeah, you're right it doesn't make sense. And I thought that it's just some environmental fee that is cheap. I just have realized it that I was wrong.

They should give this to Iran just to let it go and end the war. I am sure that the shipping vessels and companies that are passing through there would be happy to comply.

Nope that will not happen. Also, we don't know if the war will end if this "fee" will push through. Do you also expect that those ships out there will comply? If this happens then it will affect the whole oil industry and the price of oil around the world will permanently increase in prices.

This "fee" thing that the Iran will get will have a domino effect towards other countries. Oil price will increase, and so are the goods, and everything that depends on Oil.

Both of you are right because what's on my mind is that just give their demand and let's see the war ends. But I was wrong and assuming in good faith that they'll do that. We've seen how they have been asking for such high demands and no one isn't going to pay so much in that money. It made me realized that you are right that this is also going to be put in top of the oil they bought and we'll also be affected by these fees because oil will be more expensive that comes from that region.

[DiMarxist]

What is the difference between environmental protection fee and the toll fee. What is important here is that Iran is collecting money for ships that passes through the strait of Hormuz. This war to an extent has worked largely in the favour of Iran because they have been able to hold the rest of the world to ransom as a result of their control in this very important water water which they control. Just imagine how much money Iran will be collecting from this so called environmental protection fee that they will be collecting from the ships that will be passing from the strait of Hormuz.

[Coyster]

This war to an extent has worked largely in the favour of Iran because they have been able to hold the rest of the world to ransom as a result of their control in this very important water water which they control.

No it hasn't worked in their favor. They lost a lot in this war, losses that would take them a lot of time and money to recoup, maybe that is why they want to resort to extortion to raise a fraction of the money they require. That said, they have definitely held their own in this war, that's for sure, and their blockade in the Strait of Hormuz has caused a global economic problem, shifting much of the pressure to Trump.

The war has not worked in the favor of anyone, wars hardly do. Believe it or not, both parties want it to end.

[snowpega]

We have seen the the war in Iran is getting to a point that there could be a peace deal. Iran is saying there is no toll fee again, that it will be  environmental protection fee and I think the country mean this.

It is likely that the fee will be in bitcoin, but it is possible that United States may unfreeze Iran assets and also remove the sanctions which can make Iran to think otherwise.

https://x.com/i/status/2058917330105544928

It is very possible that this war later favour Iran in making money from the ships that is travelling through the Strait of Hormuz.

Mate, this is really something strange at the same time when they both are very close to a peace agreement deal US is breaking the agreement as the US launched a strike today on the Strait of Hormuz. This is not a good act toward the betterment of the peace deal and the world's current situation. I mean, after Iran, the whole world is suffering the consequences of their war. The rate of inflation is increasing, the rate of living costs is increasing, the rate of oil and gas is increasing, and the rate of goods is increasing. This is not a good sign for all countries internationally because it is damaging every country's economy.

And once they both make a successful peace agreement deal, then after that, I think the situation will start to move toward the positive side. And countries' economies will again start to grow. America has to be wise in this matter, and they should show patience towards this matter. They are behaving so cleverly, which is not a good thing for the whole world. They both should find a path to escalate from this war. What do you think?

[Mhizlove]

What is the difference between environmental protection fee and the toll fee. What is important here is that Iran is collecting money for ships that passes through the strait of Hormuz. This war to an extent has worked largely in the favour of Iran because they have been able to hold the rest of the world to ransom as a result of their control in this very important water water which they control. Just imagine how much money Iran will be collecting from this so called environmental protection fee that they will be collecting from the ships that will be passing from the strait of Hormuz.

I will say that in situations like this, it shows how geography alone can become an economic weapon. A country do not need to be the richest in the world before it can influence global markets if it controls something highly important. Meanwhile excessive pressure on international trade pathways can affect the ordinary people too, because higher shipping costs normally ends up in increasing goods prices and fuel around the world.