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May 31, 2026, 06:52:39 PM
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This is the problem (in my opinion): Michael Saylor is destroying Bitcoin's fundamental value. 🙋

What is Michael Saylor doing? He's removing Bitcoin from circulation. He doesn't even hide the fact that this is his primary goal. But then another question arises: if Michael Saylor and other institutional players remove Bitcoin completely from circulation, won't that mean a complete halt to transactions on the network? And how will miners make money in this situation? Considering that the network experiences a halving every four years, the cost of Bitcoin mining effectively doubles every four years.
Before now, we had thought that one the government or an institution tries to buy to many bitcoin in order to halt circulation, that bitcoin will jump so high that it will affect their buying power. So, what is happening now that the price is not shooting and we are complaining like Saylor is buying all the BTC in circulation?


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May 31, 2026, 07:11:47 PM
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What is Michael Saylor doing? He's removing Bitcoin from circulation. He doesn't even hide the fact that this is his primary goal. But then another question arises: if Michael Saylor and other institutional players remove Bitcoin completely from circulation, won't that mean a complete halt to transactions on the network? And how will miners make money in this situation? Considering that the network experiences a halving every four years, the cost of Bitcoin mining effectively doubles every four years.
This is not a real argument as there is no real scenario under which a significant amount of supply would be removed from the circulating supply for it to have a big effect on transactions. People tend to mix these things up. Just because it is supply, it does not mean that it comes from people who were actively transacting on Bitcoin or who would actively transact on Bitcoin. Before this could become a problem the price of Bitcoin would end up becoming so high that there would be no issues with dividing even a small number of Bitcoin for the circulating transactions. We are so far off from a point where the removal of the supply from circulation could be a problem that I do not understand why we should discuss such a scenario. It is highly unlikely.

Michael Saylor also uses centralized Bitcoin storage (in Coinbase cold storage). This directly violates the principle of Bitcoin's decentralized storage. It creates a single point of failure in the system.
It does not violate anything, Bitcoin gives you the ability to choose. If you want to choose a centralized way of storing it, that is your decision to make and you get the consequences of that choice. Choosing differently from others or making choices that are not the best is not a violation of any Bitcoin principle. The Bitcoin principle is about freedom and it is made possible by the decentralization of the network and the protocol, it is not about forcing people to do anything.

Before now, we had thought that one the government or an institution tries to buy to many bitcoin in order to halt circulation, that bitcoin will jump so high that it will affect their buying power. So, what is happening now that the price is not shooting and we are complaining like Saylor is buying all the BTC in circulation?
He has not bought anything close to the number that would be needed to have an impact on other things because of a significant reduction in circulating BTC. What the other person wrote is not true right now. It seems that I often find a big misunderstanding what Bitcoin is about when some people here complain that others have a lot of money, it seems to be sneaky form of envy. Bitcoin is about choice and freedom. If someone with a lot of money wants to buy all the Bitcoin possible, he should be able to do that. Any ideas about restricting them or vilifying them just shows meanness and a false understanding of Bitcoin. Bitcoin is for everyone, for those that you like and for those that you don't like that is what it means to have a system that is permissionless.

Continued buying from Strategy or some other big player like that is not a good thing, but you can't prevent them from doing it. They are exercising their choice to get Bitcoin the same as everyone else. They have enough to be quite a big risk if there were to be a compromised or big selling, but they do not have nearly enough to cause issues that relate from a lack of circulating Bitcoin if that is even possible. As the number of circulating Bitcoin contracts, the price will go up and as it goes up the number that is circulating will increase again. That is how the market works.


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May 31, 2026, 07:38:26 PM
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Although I am grateful to Saylor for exposing Bitcoin to more people, I cannot say I am a fan of his business practices either. People need to be aware of the consequences of buying something which is not Bitcoin but "shares" of Bitcoin. Which is like buying a piece of paper that says you own x amount of Gold. The paper itself is not gold is it? In the end it's just an IOU. And in this case not an IOU for Bitcoin but rather for the monetary value in fiat. If the goal is censorship-resistant, self-sovereign money, then a corporate share can never fully substitute for holding your own keys.

Some of the looming dangers are that the shares price can become disconnected from the underlying Bitcoin value. While this is not bad news for Bitcoiners, it definitely is bad news for his stockholders. And since he is not selling real Bitcoin but "IOU" Bitcoin, there is always the danger that he can just issue new securities, thereby diluting existing shareholders.

His entire model depends on his timely access to capital and financial competence as well as moral stability. Hopefully his fame and wealth will not corrupt him as it did many billionaires before him.

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Today at 03:54:41 AM
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Are we surprised?
All these billionaire oligarchs care about their own wealth and how they can increase it. They may sometimes say stuff that we like (eg. praising the only decentralized money in existence) but the only thing they like is fiat and making more of that.

They never cared about bitcoin either, regardless of what they say. Whether the oligarch is the billionaire Saylor praising bitcoin calling it "hope" and "freedom", or billionaire Buffett attacking it and calling bitcoin "rat poison". They both are the same and want to fill their pockets with more fiat increasing their own wealth. If they can do it with bitcoin as a tool, they'll not hesitate. They have both done that too!
They only consider bitcoin as a tool for enriching their wealth while they will cash out all or most of their bitcoins when they see a right time for doing this. Billionaires mostly are not ready to migrate and move away from traditional financial system and their business will be around bank system which can provide them feeling of safety and better legality.

For some oligarchs, they even don't see Bitcoin as a good investment asset, just see it as a very risky asset, so they will ignore bitcoins but it's their knowledge and approach, we don't have to change them.

With us as people who have small capital, and already see good things in Bitcoin, we can patiently investing our money in bitcoin, hold coins for some cycles to have good profit. If having time, reading about Bitcoin FUDs to debunk such FUDs for building up our better knowledge about Bitcoin and stronger belief in Bitcoin is our good prepartion.
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Today at 04:38:04 AM
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As a side note, I hope you all understand that, if it weren't for Saylor, Musk, Donald Trump, and a few other whales, BTC would be trading for about $1000 right now.

Keep that in mind before you say, "billionaires go home"  Smiley.
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What OP wrote there makes a lot of sense but the fact remains that many people have not been looking at Saylor's action from OP's point of view for obvious reasons - Saylor's hoard are seen as a boost for Bitcoin's price and to many people in the crypto community, that's all that matter. Nevertheless, we should give it to Saylor that he saw what many other investors and businesses did not see, even at a time that crypto was mostly unregulated and there was widespread discontent towards the industry, especially from governments. So we mustn't begrudge him even though we know that Bitcoin in the hands of a few stands against the purpose it was created.

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Are we surprised?
All these billionaire oligarchs care about their own wealth and how they can increase it. They may sometimes say stuff that we like (eg. praising the only decentralized money in existence) but the only thing they like is fiat and making more of that.

They never cared about bitcoin either, regardless of what they say. Whether the oligarch is the billionaire Saylor praising bitcoin calling it "hope" and "freedom", or billionaire Buffett attacking it and calling bitcoin "rat poison". They both are the same and want to fill their pockets with more fiat increasing their own wealth. If they can do it with bitcoin as a tool, they'll not hesitate. They have both done that too!

Those billionaires like them always love to play the games of wealth, whether its stocks,fiat or even on Bitcoin. The main goal is always to get benefit on their investment then make their capital grows more.

Well there's only difference with this, since Bitcoin cannot be controlled by them, this is also one of the reason why Warren Buffet didn't like it. But despite of those situation still Saylor loves Bitcoin because he know there's lots of benefits to take advantage on.

The only thing they could do is to create hype on Bitcoin then try to change the sentiments of Bitcoin. There are times that they succeed doing it, but also there are times they failed even if they used lots of money for purchasing Bitcoin. Also Bitcoin always shows that it will not serve the pleasure of those oligarchs.

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