Russia is surely sacrificing long term prosperity for prolonged war!

[CTO114]

Many economic analysts are asking this very question; can Russia sustain the war longer than the West can sustain support for Ukraine?
 
That becomes a battle of; demographics, technology, energy markets, political stability and sanction resilience.

What we're seeing Russia double on is that they can survive economically for years, yet concerns remain that the economy after the war will be characterized by; less innovation, increased isolation and a high dependence in China.

That's where economic analyst argue that the real economic loss may already be happening!

[Joy_learns_crypto]

Many economic analysts are asking this very question; can Russia sustain the war longer than the West can sustain support for Ukraine?
 
That becomes a battle of; demographics, technology, energy markets, political stability and sanction resilience.

What we're seeing Russia double on is that they can survive economically for years, yet concerns remain that the economy after the war will be characterized by; less innovation, increased isolation and a high dependence in China.

That's where economic analyst argue that the real economic loss may already be happening!

Russian has sustained it till now, the economic analysts should also ask how long cant the west keep sponsoring the continuation of the war by supporting Ukraine when there should be also more support to ending it.
The heavy military financing has already affected Russia, Ukraine and those sponsoring and other countries who are dependent on both country.

Russia believe that they can double down on the war but I doubt if they had taught the resistance would have been as strong as this one.

[BlackHatCoiner]

Russia can keep the lights on for years thanks to oil revenue and Chinese trade, but propping up the ruble and pouring money into defense isn't the same as building a future. The brain drain alone is a problem you can't fix with a budget surplus.

Once skilled people leave and foreign tech stops coming in, you fall behind and by the time it shows up in the numbers it's already too late to reverse. So yeah, the bill is being paid now, just not in a way that makes headlines.

[Fiatless]

Russia can keep the lights on for years thanks to oil revenue and Chinese trade, but propping up the ruble and pouring money into defense isn't the same as building a future. The brain drain alone is a problem you can't fix with a budget surplus.

Once skilled people leave and foreign tech stops coming in, you fall behind and by the time it shows up in the numbers it's already too late to reverse. So yeah, the bill is being paid now, just not in a way that makes headlines.

Russia might not be falling behind in all aspects. The government is investing heavily in the defense industry. Before now, Russian military weapons were believed to be old-fashioned. But war has made the country expand and modernize its military manufacturing sector. Its military industry has built the capacity to produce drones, artificial intelligence, and electronic warfare. The same thing is also happening in Ukraine.

[Akbarkoe]

No, I don't think so, Russia is not a weak country, maybe war is quite costly to fulfill its operations, but Russia is a developed country, they have the ability and they are also not easily intervened, they also open up many economic opportunities, with the BRICS they can also get a wider market.
Moreover, what makes me very impressed with Russia, with the many problems they have they have no debt to the IMF.
And if they don't stop Ukraine, they are just eliminating long-term security, this war is worth paying for the security of their children and grandchildren in the future.

[Cryptomultiplier]

Russia can keep the lights on for years thanks to oil revenue and Chinese trade, but propping up the ruble and pouring money into defense isn't the same as building a future. The brain drain alone is a problem you can't fix with a budget surplus.

Once skilled people leave and foreign tech stops coming in, you fall behind and by the time it shows up in the numbers it's already too late to reverse. So yeah, the bill is being paid now, just not in a way that makes headlines.

Russia might not be falling behind in all aspects. The government is investing heavily in the defense industry. Before now, Russian military weapons were believed to be old-fashioned. But war has made the country expand and modernize its military manufacturing sector. Its military industry has built the capacity to produce drones, artificial intelligence, and electronic warfare. The same thing is also happening in Ukraine.

Russia's GDP is small in comparison to that of the G7 and EU combined and as it is, they are prioritizing this war and sacrificing their economic sovereignty to survive this war against Ukraine.
Their financial problems are definitely compounding for long term unless this war is ended and resources get rerouted to help its present economy.
They are currently starving other sectors that should be growing right now like innovation and are indebted to Chinese support.
This is going to bite them in the ass when the war is finally over.

[ndutndut]

No, I don't think so, Russia is not a weak country, maybe war is quite costly to fulfill its operations, but Russia is a developed country, they have the ability and they are also not easily intervened, they also open up many economic opportunities, with the BRICS they can also get a wider market.
Moreover, what makes me very impressed with Russia, with the many problems they have they have no debt to the IMF.
And if they don't stop Ukraine, they are just eliminating long-term security, this war is worth paying for the security of their children and grandchildren in the future.

What you say is absolutely true. Russia is not a weak country they have been subject to numerous sanctions yet their economy remains stable. Furthermore, this war is not a war without a purpose it is a war to maintain the country's long-term security.

From the beginning Russia did not want war, but because Ukraine was overconfident in joining NATO and was supported by the US, Russia became angry and understandably so because Ukraine is very close to Russia. If NATO bases were in Ukraine this would certainly pose a threat to Russia, so Russia would inevitably have to go to war. Although the economic impact would still be significant for Russia security is far more important. I even predict that if Ukraine continues to fight, this will 1000% certainly happen. Ukraine will disappear from the world map due to a financial crisis caused by the war, with soaring debts and being unable to repay debts because Ukraine revenue reserves have been depleted by the US.

[Coyster]

Of course Russia can sustain this war for much longer. They generate hundreds of billions of dollars from the sale of oil and gas every year, and they channel a large chunk of that money into their military. Don't be fooled by sanctions, asides China that is the largest customer of Russian oil, the European Union is still a significant buyer of Russian LNG and pipeline gas.

That said, it would definitely have been better if this war wasn't ongoing, so these monies would be channeled into more productive aspects of the country and economy, but it is what it is and that is the situation they created. But as far as it concerns sustaining this war, yes they can and that is exactly what they are doing.

[Jegileman]

I have never looked down on Russia to be less capable of what they’re fighting for, they don’t look to falter in this war and not make progress even if they linger the war longer. As far as the west keeps supporting Ukraine, I don’t see the reason why they’ll fail to uphold their economy. If they hadn’t been that good at that, the war so far could have crippled their economy but until now, nothing of such has happened and they continue to not relent on the war against Ukraine. Russia is not a small nation that will stoop low and can’t sustain the war, they can as long as the war remains. And there is nothing already happening to their economy, they’re just doing perfectly okay.

[DrBeer]

Many economic analysts are asking this very question; can Russia sustain the war longer than the West can sustain support for Ukraine?
 
That becomes a battle of; demographics, technology, energy markets, political stability and sanction resilience.

What we're seeing Russia double on is that they can survive economically for years, yet concerns remain that the economy after the war will be characterized by; less innovation, increased isolation and a high dependence in China.

That's where economic analyst argue that the real economic loss may already be happening!

Let’s start "from the beginning". February 2014. That’s when Russia launched its war against Ukraine. Of course, one could spend a long time listening to propaganda and pathetic attempts to justify why Russia started this, but a basic understanding of the timeline and a little common sense will allow us to connect two simple events: the flight of President Yanukovych (the fall of a semi-totalitarian regime), and the following day, the deployment of Russian troops into the Autonomous Republic of Crimea and the start of the annexation of the Donetsk and Luhansk regions. In 2022, the Kremlin junta-having received no deserved punishment for its actions from 2014 through 2022, and seeing the impotence of Ukraine’s "security guarantors"-becomes ABSOLUTELY CONFIDENT that Ukraine will fall in a matter of days, while the West will continue to display impotence and cowardice. But... Even after the first units of the Russian Federation’s terrorist army entered Kyiv, in the following weeks and months they were destroyed, met with fierce resistance, and the vanguard units of the "second army of the world" were routed. What followed was the cowardly and shameful retreat of the "second army of the world" from Kyiv and the surrounding region, and then its rout in Kharkiv and southern Ukraine.
And here is the most important point-up until that moment, the Western world had sat there "with its mouth agape", AND HAD DONE NOTHING TO HELP Ukraine!  No supplies, no equipment, no weapons! And this is VERY EASY TO VERIFY!
Given that the terrorist state was already being aided by Iran, North Korea, and,albeit indirectly,China.
Now the EU is helping Ukraine, but... only to the extent that Ukraine can contain the terrorist threat on its own territory, preventing it from spreading into Europe itself.
Currently, some countries have refused to help Ukraine even at a level of 0.25% of their GDP, which is a paltry figure. The U.S. under Trump has, in fact, stopped funding and arms supplies for nearly a year now.
This raises a counter-question for you: what economic confrontation between the Russian Federation and "Western funding" are we even talking about?
Over the past 12 months, Russia has been TRYING to achieve at least some success, solely through "human wave attacks" (on the front lines) and blatant acts of terrorism in the form of missile strikes on PEACEFUL cities in Ukraine. To be clear-not military facilities, but residential buildings, schools, hospitals, civilian infrastructure, markets, and supermarkets...
I hope everyone can draw their own conclusions about the state of the terrorist country’s economy if, in over 1,500 days, they haven’t been able to take the village of Malaya Tokmachka (look it up online-you’ll be very surprised!)

In the near future, in Russia, the terrorist state, a mobilization will be announced-whether open or "indirect"-as well as ANOTHER round of tax hikes and the seizure of assets from the population, including crypto assets. The legislative framework is already being prepared... Just keep an eye on legislative changes in Russia, and the picture will become much more realistic and clear!
With wishes for peace and prosperity, and may you never experience what Ukraine and its people are going through!
Ukraine, Kyiv, DrBeer

[Hamza2424]

Russia can keep the lights on for years thanks to oil revenue and Chinese trade, but propping up the ruble and pouring money into defense isn't the same as building a future. The brain drain alone is a problem you can't fix with a budget surplus.

Once skilled people leave and foreign tech stops coming in, you fall behind and by the time it shows up in the numbers it's already too late to reverse. So yeah, the bill is being paid now, just not in a way that makes headlines.

Yep, you are right about the long term economic damage bro, because they are obscuring GDP growth with defense spending, and that creates a dangerous illusion of stability. Also, Russia recently visited China, and both are among the biggest competitors of the US, so something was already being prepared before the war escalated again. So far, Ukraine's drones have affected Russia greatly. They are using advanced weapons to strike drones down and even placing defenses on top of buildings using helicopters. These weapons are advanced, but it is alarming for the region because it indicates that the war is escalating further.

The real loss is also not just financial. I think it is demographic and technological, like the loss of human capital and forced reliance on Chinese technology, which can eventually bring economic stagnation.

As you said, by the time these structural cracks fully show up in the macro data, the decline may become impossible to reverse. It is like a silent economic decay.

[Moreno233]

Wars generally has two parts which is the negative and positive sides. The negative side is the death and loss of properties and other valuables. But the positive side is that it unlocks the ingenuity of both waring sides. Through the war, both Russia and Ukraine will experienxe advancement in their technology, resilience and there will improvenent in national cohesion.  Both sides will suffer some for of losses for now but at the end of the day, they will make progress in many areas. However, this does not mean that such progress is worth the price of war.

[AmoreJaz]

Wars generally has two parts which is the negative and positive sides. The negative side is the death and loss of properties and other valuables. But the positive side is that it unlocks the ingenuity of both waring sides. Through the war, both Russia and Ukraine will experienxe advancement in their technology, resilience and there will improvenent in national cohesion.  Both sides will suffer some for of losses for now but at the end of the day, they will make progress in many areas. However, this does not mean that such progress is worth the price of war.

In general, there's always casualties on this event. Russia should already be thinking of the long-term impact on their economy and we all know it is not looking good. However, it is still up to them how they will address this matter as it is their prerogative to stop or continue this war.

[logfiles]

What we're seeing Russia double on is that they can survive economically for years,

Surviving economically for years doesn't matter. We wars happen, the real losers are the people/citizens/civilian from both sides and not those politicians you see. When there is a prolonged war, both sides feel the effect and not just Russia, heck the whole world actually felt it when the war had just started.

increased isolation and a high dependence in China.

If you think there will be increased isolation of Russian then you are completely wrong. The relationship between China and Russia is mutual, and I wouldn't see it as a one-sided thing. The US and other western countries imposed sanctions on Russian for years, and now you think they are going to feel isolated?

[Swordsoffreedom]

Wars generally has two parts which is the negative and positive sides. The negative side is the death and loss of properties and other valuables. But the positive side is that it unlocks the ingenuity of both waring sides. Through the war, both Russia and Ukraine will experienxe advancement in their technology, resilience and there will improvenent in national cohesion.  Both sides will suffer some for of losses for now but at the end of the day, they will make progress in many areas. However, this does not mean that such progress is worth the price of war.

To be honest, I do not see any benefit or positive aspect from war. War is death, destruction, and loss. The economy may recover, but it will take decades and be extremely costly. Meanwhile, the loss of human lives can never be compensated

There are no truly valuable lesson or technological advancement that come from war. Instead, hatred, division, and especially arms races have increased. This only pushes the world closer to the brink of mass destruction.

[welovebit]

If you think there will be increased isolation of Russian then you are completely wrong. The relationship between China and Russia is mutual, and I wouldn't see it as a one-sided thing. The US and other western countries imposed sanctions on Russian for years, and now you think they are going to feel isolated?

This point needed to be understood because China is a big power, and they are not following any isolation or sanctions. This is going to be a big boost for them in this long war. Loss of people is surely not replaceable, but every other thing is not a big problem for Russia.

Now this all depends on Europe and the USA and how they will handle and go with Ukraine because they are not as powerful as Russia, even if they have enough support, but this can help them stay in front of Russia. The always best solution is table talk, but the interests of different countries are not allowing them to have this. Hopefully some change will happen and this will have an end.

[Kelward]

Frankly speaking I believe that if Russia, had envisaged that this war will drag to this point and that it will cost them so much both economically and in human resources I'm sure that they would have thought twice before hastily invading Ukraine. They definitely thought that the invasion would be a walk in the park but see where it has landed them, Ukraine's continued resistence have kept the war going, from what I can see the both sides are not ready to retreat.

Russia's pride is on the line and they wouldn't want to back down at this point so it means that they are prepared to sacrifice other sectors of their economy to fund the war, same with Ukraine, who will not bow down despite the harsh reality of the war on their economy. I hope that they can reach an agreement sometime soon because they cannot continue like this unless they want to go on until one of them will give up.

[Renampun]

There is no doubt that Russia will be able to maintain this war for a long time with the vast resources they have that they can sell to their partner countries, such as China, India, and several other countries that still have strong trade relations with them.. as long as they still have this, they are still able to maintain this. but the question is, how long do they want to remain in this situation when so many lives are falling every day. they can maintain this war for so long but the ones who are still harmed are the people who lost their homes, relatives, and many other things because of this war.

[Bluedrem]

There is a question of sovereignty here and where big countries consider themselves or want to express themselves as superpowers they are always busy showing off their power. Considering the situation of the war between Ukraine and Russia you may say that Russia is holding back their economy by waging war for a long time but if it stops this war and Ukraine emerges as an independent state then the level of Russia's power display will decrease. Other countries of the world will start to look down on Russia's power.

[Fortify]

Many economic analysts are asking this very question; can Russia sustain the war longer than the West can sustain support for Ukraine?
 
That becomes a battle of; demographics, technology, energy markets, political stability and sanction resilience.

What we're seeing Russia double on is that they can survive economically for years, yet concerns remain that the economy after the war will be characterized by; less innovation, increased isolation and a high dependence in China.

That's where economic analyst argue that the real economic loss may already be happening!

If you consider this war nothing other than a (so far mildly successful) attempt to prolong Putin's power, maybe until he dies and with a small chance of creating a last legacy of taking even more land for Russia. We live in the era of old men who are quite happy sending their citizens to die and creating a forever war, which distracts from all the other scandalous things going on under their government and also allows them to crush even the slightest bit of opposition even more easily. Russia can survive for a long time on a war economy, probably many more decades and they gain even more advantages when things like oil start to peak or become limited in supply. Their economy is in a slow decline after taking a big hit at the start of the war, but the leadership simply don't care.