Self moderated threads for advert.

[SuperBitMan]

Anyone can self moderate his or her thread but I don’t think same privilege and opportunity should be given to threads for service announcement especially when it concerns financial dealings with people, for example a company coming to the forum to announce their service, and then on the thread used for their announcement they are self moderating it, such should not be allowed on the forum.
Reasoning being that they can decide to be deleting posts that will lead to them getting caught if they are scammer’s and then leaving only posts that speaks good of them their by deceiving members that visit those threads.
So if the thread is for company or individual promotion concerning financial dealings with people it shouldn’t be self moderated.

[Nwada001]

Such an attitude raises a red flag for me too, unless the op says they don't know what the option means, but you can't expect the forum to make a self-moderation option available on some boards and not available on other boards because it could be abused by shady business owners.

And if you see any thread like that in which the op is deleting concerns raised by the forum members, anyone who observes that can call out the business. Luckily, we have a lot of tools in the forum that make deleted posts not to actually be deleted fully, as they can always be accessed using third-party tools.

[DubemIfedigbo001]

Even though it's self moderated, they should know that deleting a complaint is a bad PR for them. It's more honorable when they attend to such complaints there, it shows responsiveness and accountability on their path. They may want to delete spams or off-topic posts on their thread, same reason they make it self moderated

If they should delete complaints unnecessarily, then it raises eye brows for suspicion and the best thing is to open a thread for them in the reputation board with evidence of the deleted post from bitlist.co or other tools we've here and invite them to defend their actions there because it's an unethical and unprofessional behavior on their part.

[mcdouglasx]

If we don't assume the worst, it's possible they're doing this more to maintain the thread's purpose than to censor people. I think that's the logic behind it (if it's someone acting in good faith). For example, the promotion thread is for updates on advertising. If user X, who hasn't been paid for some reason, posts in the thread that you're a scammer, and their problem is resolved, this user generally won't return to the forum to report it. Therefore, the thread is left with that taint. Furthermore, doing it for malicious reasons will have the opposite effect, since the user with the problem will complain that their message was deleted from the reputation section, making it more suspicious. That's why it's better to leave complaints in the reputation section; it's the most organized and equally visible to everyone. Also, a respectful comment with valid arguments shouldn't be deleted from an auto-moderated thread, at least until the issue is resolved.

[JeromeTash]

I have seen reputable services create self-moderated threads before in a bid to delete just spam, off-topic posts and trolling without causing any friction or issues. Self-moderating the thread isn't the problem, even if it's a service. The major problem is deleting posts or constructive criticism or any reply that raises some red flags about your service and with the archiving tools available, the deleted threads shouldn't be hard to to find.

[promise444c5]

I understand your concern though but I don’t think some type of account will be excluded from “ self-moderating”, they can also use it to keep their thread clean from spam..

Before you post under their thread, there’s already a warning that should tell you the thread is “self-moderated”.

Simply create a new non moderated thread  if it’s to report some suspicious actions.. You can tag them on the thread  and every comment there doesn’t get deleted.

If you post on their thread and it got deleted, you can use site like loyce.club & Bitlist ,   to get the archived post and create a new thread with the particular post.

Everything solved.. accusation et discussion continues 

[EL MOHA]

I have seen reputable services create self-moderated threads before in a bid to delete just spam, off-topic posts and trolling without causing any friction or issues. Self-moderating the thread isn't the problem, even if it's a service. The major problem is deleting posts or constructive criticism or any reply that raises some red flags about your service and with the archiving tools available, the deleted threads shouldn't be hard to to find.

Exactly that’s the purpose of every self moderated thread and I don’t actually blame some services for doing that because we have seen members unnecessarily spam some threads here and instead of them to actually be asking mods to help them delete threads all the time it’s better they just make it self moderated. I actually understand OPs point but I don’t see it as a problem because to me I think that once you don’t get your problem sorted out on the thread then you can simply create another thread and might even open a flag if it’s a scam and it will be even more visible than hidden in the thread.

[Ambatman]

I believe it's stated on the thread that responding there
Means you have chosen to be at the mercy of the OP
Not same wordings but you get me.
To implement your idea it's similar to saying that self moderation should be deactivated in the service board.

I understand your concern though but I don’t think some type of account will be excluded from “ self-moderating”, they can also use it to keep their thread clean from spam..

in a discussion it's something but for a service announcement?
If you have an issue you can report the post to a moderator.

[promise444c5]

I understand your concern though but I don’t think some type of account will be excluded from “ self-moderating”, they can also use it to keep their thread clean from spam..

in a discussion it's something but for a service announcement?
If you have an issue you can report the post to a moderator.

Yeah..  that works too

[jeremypwr]

I don't see anything wrong with self moderated threads for any reason at all.
There are too many scammers and idiots on this forum who love to ruin the fun for others.
I don't think I've ever started a thread that wasn't self moderated now that I think about it.

[rat03gopoh]

This issue has been raised since the self-moderated feature launched⁽¹⁾, particularly in those sections, and theymos wasn't commented on it. It seems he'll stick to the forum's stance that "fraud/scam isn't moderated." Alternatively, create a separate accusations thread and use trust feedback. Another request thread with more complete suggestions⁽²⁾


1) https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=152876.msg1622407#msg1622407
2) https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2929216

[Joy- maker]

I understand the angle you are coming from, but let me put things differently. Since the forum allow self moderated threads I do not think companies coming to the forum to advertise their brands should be restricted from moderating their own threads if they chose to do so.

However, from the little time I have spent on the forum, I have not seen a thread where users complained that they were scammed, and when they commented on the company's ANN thread  their comments were deleted by the company representative because the thread was self moderated. And If there are any please point them out to me.

[Tungbulu]

You do have a point OP. But this is equally the same reason why every member is also allowed the privilege to open scam accusation threads on the scam accusation sections, no one can self moderate that. So even if the company managed to take down incriminating information from their ANN threads, they won’t have any jurisdiction to do so when the same users opens a thread for them on the scam accusation board. So for me, it pretty much doesn’t matter whether a company decides to self moderate their threads or not. In fact that could also be good for taking down some posts, should some people decides to spam their thread.

[hd49728]

Anyone can self moderate his or her thread but I don’t think same privilege and opportunity should be given to threads for service announcement especially when it concerns financial dealings with people, for example a company coming to the forum to announce their service, and then on the thread used for their announcement they are self moderating it, such should not be allowed on the forum.
Reasoning being that they can decide to be deleting posts that will lead to them getting caught if they are scammer’s and then leaving only posts that speaks good of them their by deceiving members that visit those threads.
So if the thread is for company or individual promotion concerning financial dealings with people it shouldn’t be self moderated.

Firstly, the forum does not moderate scam.

19. Possible (or real) scams and Trust ratings are not moderated (to prevent moderation abuse).

Secondly, if you see self moderation of a service announcement thread as a red flag, you can be more cautious and even completely ignore that thread and that business service. It's your personal choice, forum does not moderate it.

In most sections, you now have the option of marking topics self-moderated when creating them. In self-moderated topics, the OP can delete replies. The option for enabling this is under "additional options". Topics cannot be converted to self-moderated topics after creation.

There are no rules to self-moderation. In self-moderated threads, replies belong to the OP. In other threads, replies belong to the respondents individually. Think carefully about whether you want to reply to a self-moderated topic, as your post may not be given due respect.

And lastly, a self moderated thread does not make a service as scam, while a not self moderated thread does not make another service as non scam.

[Curious T]

Reasoning being that they can decide to be deleting posts that will lead to them getting caught if they are scammer’s and then leaving only posts that speaks good of them their by deceiving members that visit those threads.

This may be true, but if the aim of the service is to cheat, it won't do them any good if they moderate the topic. If they delete posts on their thread that lead to them being caught, a topic can simply be made in the reputation or scam accusation thread, which is even more exposure than simply replying on the thread. And since scams are not moderated on the forum, that account would be red tagged immediately if sufficient evidence is given to prove that it's a scam service. Most self moderated threads I've seen are from people trying to reduce spamming on the thread.

[philipma1957]

Anyone can self moderate his or her thread but I don’t think same privilege and opportunity should be given to threads for service announcement especially when it concerns financial dealings with people, for example a company coming to the forum to announce their service, and then on the thread used for their announcement they are self moderating it, such should not be allowed on the forum.
Reasoning being that they can decide to be deleting posts that will lead to them getting caught if they are scammer’s and then leaving only posts that speaks good of them their by deceiving members that visit those threads.
So if the thread is for company or individual promotion concerning financial dealings with people it shouldn’t be self moderated.

and then the thread can endlessly be attacked by rivals.


If people constantly said you are a thief or a clown or a moron it gets tiring.

so people will make a self modded thread.

I do think we now delay a person till they are not a newbie. and once a memeber they can moderate.


so if the thread is bad you need to make a new thread and quote from the bad thread.

[Pmalek]

If the OP moderates the thread fairly and cleanly then I don't have a problem with it. Self-moderated threads show how many posts have been deleted and by how many users. If you notice that something is not normal, take a look at what was deleted using a service like the BitcoinTalk archive. If the OP delete genuine posts, criticisms, concerns, proven scams, and the like, open a discussion about the service in the Reputation section. In my opinion, you can even give the user neutral feedback and explain what they are doing. 

[Supreme Donvic]

I understand your point but you should also think about the advantage of using a self moderated thread.
Self moderated thread prevent spammers from having their way in such service thread.
And again if people point out important aspect of a service and they are deleted by the OP of the service thread such act can easily be identified by members of the forum and the OP of the service thread will be given a negative feedback and the good thing is you can't delete a post permanently from the forum so evidence of such act by the OP in that service thread will be available.
Since scam is not moderated in this forum some rules won't be accepted.

[MarryWithBTC]

Anyone can self moderate his or her thread but I don’t think same privilege and opportunity should be given to threads for service announcement especially when it concerns financial dealings with people, for example a company coming to the forum to announce their service, and then on the thread used for their announcement they are self moderating it, such should not be allowed on the forum.

I understand your genuine concern towards this, but I believe there's a way out. Theymos believe so much in freedom and that should be the reason for allowing self moderation in announcement board.

To you as a user, a self-moderated announcement should first be a red flag to you and then you will cautious discussing there or you look for alternative services.

Reasoning being that they can decide to be deleting posts that will lead to them getting caught if they are scammer’s and then leaving only posts that speaks good of them their by deceiving members that visit those threads.
So if the thread is for company or individual promotion concerning financial dealings with people it shouldn’t be self moderated.

Remember there is liberty for you to create a parallel unmoderated thread of another self-moderated thread, where people can discuss without being self moderated.

Remember also that even if they delete users posts, there are third party tools that can be used to view the deleted posts.

[Nathrixxx]

Anyone can self moderate his or her thread but I don’t think same privilege and opportunity should be given to threads for service announcement especially when it concerns financial dealings with people, for example a company coming to the forum to announce their service, and then on the thread used for their announcement they are self moderating it, such should not be allowed on the forum.

This may not be possible because the forum is not liable for any financial deal you have with someone and this is why scam is not moderated in this forum, engage with anyone at your own risk or else you have to do your own research before having anything with any other person from this forum.

Additionally, if you think they are of bad reputation, and you are most confident with your evidence, try go to reputation or scam accusation and layer evidence over such and the necessary option will be taken again account by tagging it.