How clean are the big leagues really?

[Churchillvv]

As much as you thought of it, there is possibility that it could be manipulated but then their is no evidence that this sports are manipulated in anyway, so all you can do is assume and at the end of the assumptions dies with us with no proof or anyone to question if the result of big matches are clean or not but then has there been a reason to question the outcome of a sport or big games? To my knowledge none so it’s likely that they are clean as you think of it.

[Issa56]

So if we connect that idea to sports betting, especially in big leagues where there is so much money involved, can we really say everything is clean?

I do hear about match fixing, but I haven’t experienced one before, and I don’t know if it’s true. If match fixing is going to happen, then we should expect it to happen in all this local league, those are the leagues with less attention, and any irregularities can happen there without people paying attention to it, but when it comes to all this top leagues, I don’t think that’s going to be possible.

If any top league is fixing matches, it will have been exposed already, but I haven’t heard anything about that before. In some matches you might experience some poor officiating which is going to make you think the match is fixed, but it isn’t fixed. Officials know the risk involved in fixing matches, so I don’t even think they going to try that, because they going to be caught at the end.

[boyptc]

The biggest leagues have reputation and if there are some anomalies that are happening for each of its games, that will rot and it will come out naturally.

But we can see that they're still there, staying strong and the sports industry is still making a lot of money not only for itself but also for the athletes who are a part of it.

We know that these conspiracies could be real but as long as it's not a valid one, it stays as is.

[Davidvictorson]

I do not want to sound like a conspiracy theorist but I do believe that there are either direct or subtle influences on big leagues and games. It may not be all of them and it may not happen frequently but I like to believe that it does happen. These influence may not even be directly on the officiating match officers, it could be from the fans, the home advantage too. Recently, we know that there is an African team whose fans are of the habit of pointing lasers into the eyes if their opponent the visiting team and neither the match officers or their home team did anything meaningful to stop it. That is interference hiding in plain sight, subtle, deniable and very real.

[khatarnak]

So if we connect that idea to sports betting, especially in big leagues where there is so much money involved, can we really say everything is clean?

Personally, I tend to be more suspicious of small leagues than big ones.

People often look at the amount of money involved in major leagues and assume that makes them easier to manipulate. I see it the other way around.

The bigger the league, the more cameras, media attention, analysts, betting volume there is. If something unusual happens, thousands of people are looking at it.

Take Karius in the Champions League final. He made two terrible mistakes and people still talk about them years later. His entire career was affected by that match because the spotlight was so intense.

In lower leagues, players can make equally suspicious mistakes and nobody outside a small audience even notices.

I see the same thing in lower-tier CS2 events. Sometimes you'll watch a round and a player will stand in the open like a potato and get instantly headshotted. If something similar happened in a Major, there would be endless clips, analysis videos and accusations all over social media within hours.

That doesn't mean big leagues are completely clean. Corruption and match-fixing have existed everywhere. But if I had to choose where manipulation is more likely to happen without attracting attention, I'd pick a small league over a major one every time.

[TopT3ns]

I do not want to sound like a conspiracy theorist but I do believe that there are either direct or subtle influences on big leagues and games. It may not be all of them and it may not happen frequently but I like to believe that it does happen. These influence may not even be directly on the officiating match officers, it could be from the fans, the home advantage too. Recently, we know that there is an African team whose fans are of the habit of pointing lasers into the eyes if their opponent the visiting team and neither the match officers or their home team did anything meaningful to stop it. That is interference hiding in plain sight, subtle, deniable and very real.

The inability of the authorities to curb the fan riots justifies the assumption of institutional inaction in consideration of financial gain by the host country. The failure of safety rules to bar external dangers to the players leads, in due course, to the erosion of integrity of the competition, through apparent sabotage. Such a phenomenon proves that match-fixing is not necessarily connected with the actual bribery, but it is manipulation of the psychological environment into which you are.

[uneng]

It takes just two or three players to manipulate a match's outcome. The leagues can be legit, but the personal decisions of the players are totally out of control of the leagues. I do believe there is a lot of manipulation going on the big leagues, but we only know very few cases where players aren't careful enough to run their schemes discreetly.

Then we watch on the news cases involving relatives of the players placing big bets on them which don't seem to worth the risks. These are the blatant ones, but there must be many others going on in secret. After all, it's hard to prove an outcome was manipulated.

[suzanne5223]

So if we connect that idea to sports betting, especially in big leagues where there is so much money involved, can we really say everything is clean?

There's no way everything will be clean, and you personally, who ask the question, can't beat your chest that you're totally clean. Therefore, no matter the rules and regulations put together to make the big league clean, we're still going to see some people who will want to manipulate the game. An example is players in soccer, MLB, and others who have been prosecuted for game manipulation or insider betting.
No matter the continent, league, or the money involved, there's no way the game will be totally clean.

So what if some people behind the league are not really honest? What stops them from influencing officials or certain calls in the game?

We can't expect all the individuals behind the league to be honest, and at some point, they will always influence the game or the official. However, the small leagues are not excluded, though.

[TastyChillySauce00]

There's no match fixing in the big league. because tt's impossible to happen.The only possible thing to happen is that the league instruct the referee influence the game. Nigreira's case is the biggest proof of it.
So we can assume the league is clean, but it's not for the people behind it.

It's the reason to assume the big league is having a match fixing is wrong. Risking hundreds billion income for match fixing is so dumb.
It's my reason to call your allegation is wrong, though mine is not entirely true too because there is possibility, but it's still relatively small.

[retreat]

So if we connect that idea to sports betting, especially in big leagues where there is so much money involved, can we really say everything is clean?

It's not completely clean, even in the more popular leagues, there is certainly some interference, although it is much smaller compared to smaller leagues that do not have strict controls and regulations. But don't worry, even though it's not completely clean, putting your money in a popular league is much safer and more predictable, because popular leagues, especially the Premier League or La Liga, are leagues that already have a reputation and are more closely monitored, so it will be more difficult for some parties to play behind their backs.

[livingfree]

It takes just two or three players to manipulate a match's outcome. The leagues can be legit, but the personal decisions of the players are totally out of control of the leagues. I do believe there is a lot of manipulation going on the big leagues, but we only know very few cases where players aren't careful enough to run their schemes discreetly.

I second this thought. It can be done by few people without being noticed by the actual team and the management of that league.

With the bad decisions that they'll make it look like an incident, there's nothing for them to justify because they'd only reason out that it just happened.

A mistake that they shouldn't have done or done out of pressure. So, I am of the same opinion that it can be done through personal decision of a very few chosen players.

[Accardo]

In a game that consists of 22 men in the pitch, crew of managers pacing up and down, and a bunch of admins seated in the VIP, loopholes would be there, think of the betrayal polymarket has caused big companies like google, a player could get paid not to score in a game. And because these are professionals, the scenario would go unnoticed by spectators. Whenever something is organized, it'll be hard not to find loopholes, that'll shift the course of a fair game.

[masulum]

So if we connect that idea to sports betting, especially in big leagues where there is so much money involved, can we really say everything is clean?

I am not saying every game is fixed, but it is hard not to question it. These big leagues already make money from tickets, ads, sponsors, TV rights and all that. Then you add sports betting, which is a huge market too. Maybe even bigger than what most people think.

the history professional sports with match-fixing cases and scandals involving referees or certain parties its happens many times. For example, the "Calciopoli" scandal in Italian football or the "Tim Donaghy" case in the NBA. However, I also don't think that the existence of a huge betting market automatically means matches in big leagues are often manipulated. league business value is very huge, reputation becomes a very important asset. If proven there is organized manipulation, the loss from losing trust of fans, sponsors, and broadcasting can be much bigger than the short-term profit that might be obtained. What is more realistic is the possibility of individual actions, like players, referees, or certain parties who abuse their position. Even one controversial decision can affect handicap, over/under, or certain betting results. Because of that, many regulators and betting operators right now use abnormal betting pattern monitoring systems to detect manipulation indications. IMO

[Rubuchi]

Politicians are the ones that are controlling the media and the big companies that are behind most of these gambling platforms and football association. There are different players that are responsible for the manipulation in the sportbook arena and if the law enforcement can track these people, their will be a lot of big companies that will be known for their fraudulent activities.

but if the whole fraud about manipulating the figures and whatnot is not orchestrated by the players, the top officials of the team and some of the officials of the FIFA football team, how will it be possible for the politicians within the system to leak what time actually will win or not. I thought every team should be ordinarily hungry for goals unless those who are compromised which are those who now allow for other clubs to win them deliberately mostly through the planned weak performance of the club for some huge financial benefits etcetera.

[Dave1]

Maybe the one that are running, for example, in NBA, the commissioner might not know what's going on below. Which means that there could be manipulation from players and referees. Although if they smell something, they are going to investigate it.

And this is just my personal opinion, but I don't think that there are leagues or organizations that are clean. Every one of them are tainted, maybe it's just hard to proved. But there could be few evidence that already exist that shows how they are corrupt and trying to influence the result of a game.

[yahoo62278]

All sports are rigged IMO. Not every single game but there are some games where a team should clearly cover a spread easily or a dominant team should win with little to no issue and the opposite happens in both cases. Who get's fucked? The gamblers of course. The sportsbooks pay out the bets according to what the scores say, but what happens later if a certain player was found out to be guilty of throwing the game? Nothing for the gamblers of course, they stay fucked. Nothing to the sportsbook either as they were just doing what the data told them. The player is fined, suspended, or banned with the possibility of facing jail, but no money is recovered for the gamblers who may have bet loads on a game.

Moral of the rant is don't bet your house on a sporting event as you never know when a player or team is playing bad on purpose because they got paid off.

[Darker45]

It might not be the leagues themselves that are dirty. It might just be certain players, teams, and their coaching staff. Although there surely are rigged games and results, the leagues themselves aren't necessarily involved.

There was a particular basketball game here in my country that aroused suspicion because of how certain players were playing. There were obviously intentional misses, steals, and other awkward moves. It was eventually found out the game was rigged. Those who were involved were penalized. But the league wasn't part of it.

[Betwrong]

~ Am I overthinking this, or do you also think big leagues are not as clean as they want us to believe?

Yeah, you are. But it doesn't mean we don't need people like you. Without control, without people that doubt the integrity of big leagues we would turn into North Korea. I personally think that everything is clean in the big leagues, but I'm grateful that there are people like you who won't allow them to cheat, and I can just relax and trust in their infallibility.

[Ishicryptic]

I don't think that we should worry about what we cannot prove, riggings are possible in everywhere that big money is involved, the top players will want to influence the system to favor them. I don't worry so much about games that I'm betting on whether they're rigged or not I just want to be lucky with my bet, maybe the rigging can even be to my favor, to win in gambling is by luck and any mistakes or manipulations in the game can favor you. Although I don't think that there are many riggings in top leagues because of their top reputations but then there are bad actors everywhere.

[Cointxz]

Am I overthinking this, or do you also think big leagues are not as clean as they want us to believe?

Most big league has an independent body to monitor fairness of the game like on NBA which they have referees group which can’t be influenced by the owners of team.

Big league has their own reputation to protect while they are earning huge amount too without being involved on conspiracy.

It will be a waste for them to put their reputation on the line just to be involved on match fixing.