How clean are the big leagues really?

[$crypto$]

We never know what's behind it all, there could still be manipulation but the big money holders play a very neat role so that they don't get caught --- still for me the big league is not like the small league where there is a little scandal then it will affect the league itself, the club or the referee.

I just think that the big leagues are clean of what you're accusing, but I wouldn't be surprised if there are clubs or referees who influence matches because they've been set up before, but things are getting tighter so we'll leave it up to the federations to handle it.

[viljy]

The more money there is in the league, the more likely the possibility of manipulation and abuse of insider information is. And no amount of assertions about the strictest controls and other measures can refute this. On the contrary, the more they try to convince you of their honesty, the more likely the opposite is.

Manipulations can be very sophisticated and subtle. For example, two strong teams meet, and you bet that both will score goals (and 99% of bettors do the same, because all the statistics show exactly that). But only one team scores goals. This is the Champions League final from last year. Would anyone believe that it wasn't intentional? Well, yes, probably, but someone won huge sums of money...

[swogerino]

I just had this thought because of what is happening in our country and probably in many other places too.

Rich people can control the media, politicians, and even some rules, just to protect their business. We see corruption everywhere and in the end it is always the regular people who suffer from it.

So if we connect that idea to sports betting, especially in big leagues where there is so much money involved, can we really say everything is clean?

I am not saying every game is fixed, but it is hard not to question it. These big leagues already make money from tickets, ads, sponsors, TV rights and all that. Then you add sports betting, which is a huge market too. Maybe even bigger than what most people think.

So what if some people behind the league are not really honest? What stops them from influencing officials or certain calls in the game? Not even the whole game needs to be fixed. Sometimes one call, one foul, one penalty, or one bad decision can already affect the spread, total score, or result.

And if someone already knows what is likely to happen, then ordinary bettors are just playing a game they can never really win.

That is why I also think maybe smaller markets are not always bad. Maybe games that do not attract too much public money are less interesting for big people to manipulate. I am not sure if that is the right way to think about it, but it kind of makes sense to me.

Am I overthinking this, or do you also think big leagues are not as clean as they want us to believe?

After the 2006 Calciopoli scandal in Serie A we have the right to question and doubt every big league. In the year 2006 a lot of spying of big teams in Italy like Juventus, Inter and Milan were buying referees expensive gifts where the owner of Inter at that time offered the most expensive Rolex watch to the referee of a very important game at the time. Many such cases also of the Juventus managing director who was the heavy weight Champion of cheating as he had corrupted a lot of referees. Based on such case I am always doubting any league no matter how big it is.

[The Founding Titan]

Let's say the leagues are being manipulated then that manipulation will most likely be for them to place their own bets and win because they already know what the outcome will be, it won't really affect you own game that much because even though you are analyzing certain things there is still the fact that your analysis alone can't carry the game, most people who win don't win because they are good analysts but because they got lucky.

[nimogsm]

in an industry where so much money is at stake, i think it’s impossible that nothing is being done to make even more money off consumers, viewers, and bettors. i believe this because, in the world of soccer and the major leagues, i think it would be very difficult for this system to survive without some shady dealings going on behind the scenes.

no matter how certain you are you can’t prove whether fixed matches exist or not. because soccer is a sport full of uncertainty and surprises. these can’t be explained simply by the favorite team losing or matches appearing to be fixed. there’s so much randomness that even if there were fixed matches, it would be impossible to predict them and generate a steady income from it.

I also believe that manipulation is highly unlikely in the major leagues and top clubs. It's just that if you think about it, they have good salary contracts, profit from advertising integrations, etc, why ruin all that for the sake of a highly questionable deal? Yes, such manipulation is possible in lesser known clubs; there's room for bookmakers and match-fixing there, since they receive far less attention.

[Fredomago]

We can't accurately say that there's none or there are manipulation that happened in a big leagues, most likely in your statement it's very possible that there are rich people who can deal with it, even how big it is if there's huge amount of money that will be involve there are people who can participate to orchestrate the manipulation, either from the officials to the players and coaches we can't point our fingers but it's not by far that it can happened, there's always a good amount of money that can move both small and big league.

[POPOLUV]

I can't contribute much on this because i believe that there is know company's running a business on this earth without a profits, so for that reason it is believe in some big leagues, they might practice match fixing in favour of some company working directly from them, like wise this pool gambling company that basically deals with draw only, when i was still practicing on predicting draws only, i was made to understand that some draws are fixed one, so if i should relate it to sports betting, sometimes the odds can discourage not to bet on the clubs you are sure of winning, so if the big leagues are clean or not, the reason is best known to them, my own is to forcast and place my prediction on the clubs that is possible of giving me winning.

[EarnOnVictor]

So if we connect that idea to sports betting, especially in big leagues where there is so much money involved, can we really say everything is clean?

For me, no matter what anyone uses to convince me, I would always say everything can't be clean in sports industry. Even FIFA and other governing bodies in other sports are not clean, why would the clubs, agreements and and businesses built around it be clean? Some had been caught in the past for various attrocities, I can only believe they would have upped their games not to be caught, which makes it looks clean.

[Sanitough]

We can't accurately say that there's none or there are manipulation that happened in a big leagues, most likely in your statement it's very possible that there are rich people who can deal with it, even how big it is if there's huge amount of money that will be involve there are people who can participate to orchestrate the manipulation, either from the officials to the players and coaches we can't point our fingers but it's not by far that it can happened, there's always a good amount of money that can move both small and big league.

I think this is all just speculation, personally I believe that rigging happens sometimes, but as bettors we should be aware of that and not just complain because when we bet, we are simply choosing which side we think will actually win.

So for me, it does not really matter that much, what matters is we consider that it is possible and include it as one factor when analyzing the game, then see if the result will favor us. As sports bettors, we just want to win more compared to our losses, and if we can achieve that then we become profitable, it is not really hard if we are open to all possibilities.

[Achalugo BTC]

For me, no matter what anyone uses to convince me, I would always say everything can't be clean in sports industry. Even FIFA and other governing bodies in other sports are not clean, why would the clubs, agreements and and businesses built around it be clean? Some had been caught in the past for various attrocities, I can only believe they would have upped their games not to be caught, which makes it looks clean.

There is nothing as clean in leagues, so I concur with you because people will always look for ways for them to manipulate the game to be in their favour, especially those rich ones and some of them uses this method as a means of business for themselves to earn more money. So, it will be fair if one enjoy the game and assume that every result is not as genuine as it seems to be, also this way makes everyone to have less pressure as they won't have to fight themselves over nothing.

[Porfirii]

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Rich people can control the media, politicians, and even some rules, just to protect their business. We see corruption everywhere and in the end it is always the regular people who suffer from it.

So if we connect that idea to sports betting, especially in big leagues where there is so much money involved, can we really say everything is clean?

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Am I overthinking this, or do you also think big leagues are not as clean as they want us to believe?

OP, I totally understand how you feel. On one hand, people who believe in the ideal world shown to us through the media live happier and more carefree, while those who think that not everything should be so simple can fall into the pessimism of thinking that everything is manipulated.

The fact is that we cannot prove the truth for sure, and while blindly believing the former would mean falling into absolute naivety, overthinking about the latter can lead to frustration and paranoia.

In the absence of information, the healthiest and most reasonable thing to do is to think that not everything is black or white, that there will surely be manipulations, but that these leagues also bring many good things to the people, so try not to focus only on the negative.

[Dr.Bitcoin_Strange]

You are over thinking it, mate, the big league which you are talking about can not easily be rigged the way you are thinking because it's not just a one man's business, their are so many people involved and before you succeed to make all of them bend to your offer, you might already get exposed by someone who will kick against such offer. It's just those local league where you can see that easily happening but as for the big league, the chance is very slim, although it's possible that they could go through some greedy players and bribe the person to play badly but the person is only risking their job.

[Hispo]

It is not over-thinking really.
There has been already several documented cases of officials within the highest ranks of the FIFA who have been found guilty of taking bribes from governments, in order to increase chances of having World clubs celebrated in those countries. It has been the case in South Africa and also Qatar.

I believe there is actual corruption and bribes going on when comes to marketing, logistics and organization, but it is way harder to mess with match fixing, in my opinion. It would be harder to coordinate and keep from coming out to public light.

In the end, it is easier to keep a single person from telling the truth than an entire team of football.

[Ever-young]

Let's say the leagues are being manipulated then that manipulation will most likely be for them to place their own bets and win because they already know what the outcome will be, it won't really affect you own game that much because even though you are analyzing certain things there is still the fact that your analysis alone can't carry the game, most people who win don't win because they are good analysts but because they got lucky.

You could be right, because sometimes it get one thinking in how the games are being played out, and maybe that is why people are advised to gamble with what they can afford to lose for their own benefit and also they are to have that knowledge that luck gives them the chance to win from gambling and they are not to dispute that fact, as it will make them to have more failures. But, accepting that luck plays the most important part, it will help them to remain insane.

[bitLeap]

Am I overthinking this, or do you also think big leagues are not as clean as they want us to believe?

Suspicions like this always exist but in fact we cannot really prove it, because the game behind the scenes must be more neat and structured so that only a handful of individuals know how to do it, which must be hidden while the information spread in the public is limited to speculation. Maybe if in some caste leagues 2 or 3 we might still be able to find this ourselves but for the top league the supervision must be tight. Cheating definitely exists, but most of us overestimate our assumptions because the bets we place don't match our predictions.

[348Judah]

Become verify all the processes that is involved in gambling as being transparent enough, same time nothing can be done in such regard done for us to make use of a casino for gambling purpose and leave the rest, it is also a good reason that we see gambling as an entertainment and nothing more, this can keep us to a large extent that we enjoy every moment spent on gambling because we have the right intention over it.

[Natalim]

You could be right, because sometimes it get one thinking in how the games are being played out, and maybe that is why people are advised to gamble with what they can afford to lose for their own benefit and also they are to have that knowledge that luck gives them the chance to win from gambling and they are not to dispute that fact, as it will make them to have more failures. But, accepting that luck plays the most important part, it will help them to remain insane.

That is another thing in my opinion, it is a must and must not in gambling, but even if you can afford to gamble, you can still think about these possibilities, like games possibly being rigged, so you will not just believe that all market odds are the true probability.

Just keep evaluating your results, because if you are not doing well or you cannot make an honest judgment without considering those rig angles, then maybe you are not doing it right. For me, betting is not only about picking the better team, it is also about reading the market, the situation, and every possible angle that can affect the result.

[Livingleged]

Cheating definitely exists, but most of us overestimate our assumptions because the bets we place don't match our predictions.

It's not like we are overestimating our assumptions we cannot  come out and  categorically say that it's completely  clean, sometimes  when I watch a match and look at the officiating  you'll  sense  something  is either  wrong  with the official, you'll  see same incident  but different  penalties  by the official. i may want to extend  that to even the video  assistant  referees  the inconsistency  some  time  is fishy if you ask my opinion  it not that clean as we may think but FA are always  checking  the clubs  and even the players  if you could  remember  the case of Ivan Tony who was caugh  placing  a bet on him self week in week out he never get away with that as he was caught.

[Crakryptvest]

Manipulations can't happen in big leagues because they are careful about anything that might ruin their reputation. If you are familiar with these things you would know that they only happen in leagues that are not really prominent, mind you we only hear about it, there is no actual proof that any of these goes on. The only reason why people say a game is sold out is when the obvious outcome does not happen.

If you said it can't happen it sounds as if you are very sure of what you are saying, you can only say that it is almost impossible for something shady to happen in big leagues, there are things we should not be too sure of, we are football fans to different big club in those big leagues, and sometimes we have this feeling tahg something is wrong and that feeling mainly comes from the way the central officiates the match, athough it might be the referee position in the match but we still have that doubt in us and don't you think anything is still possible I'm not saying that we have seen it happen in big leagues but we can't also be too sure of anything, hope you get where I'm driving at.

[Nahl]

Big league which majority in Europe usually they can earn a lot of money from Ads, sponsor and broadcast right and i think these league don't necessary anymore to accept the money from the bookies that's why i am sure they are very clean and no matches fixing available on those league and i know in the past some of major league has a scandal but i am sure they can learn from the mistakes and recently very clean from matches fixing besides that i think it is all about the reputation because big league don't want to ruin their reputation with let the bookie influence the games results because their popularities will be decreases in the front of the fans which for long term effect is they will lost money because the ads or sponsor left them