Request to remove icopress from DT Default Trust list

[DaRude]

~(must be why s/he's so vocal on here too)

Look, English is not my native language so I had to ask Gemini in case I misunderstood:

"s/he's so vocal": The person posts a lot, argues frequently, or is very opinionated and loud about a specific topic.

Seriously?

For reference, up to this point I had one reply on this topic.  I repeat - only one.  (The other post was my reply to Rating Place, and off-topic in this case).  And that was only after the admin left his judgment.  So please explain to me how you find me "so vocal" when I have essentially posted a single time?  

Your title suggests that you are requesting the removal of a member from the DT list, yet you have some kind of problem with me, as a DT member, expressing my opinion?  Would it be better if I were on your side?  Would I still be "so vocal" on here?  

Next time you want to throw shade at me, how about you actually address my arguments, or at least check the thread history and get your facts straight first so you dont end up looking completely ridiculous?

I just found this to be too much of a coincidence that first Lucius posted a snippet of my post out of context, after that you posted here with For a lot of people, really extreme or unethical views suggest a basic problem with someones character. then as i was trying to understand what is so extreme about my post and decided to include posts' full text for context, i realize that in that full text it was your initial post that I was replying to.

I don't have a problem with you as a DT member, just pointing out that to seem unbiased it'd help if the only quote provided of my supposed wrong doing wouldn't be a cutout of my reply to you.

Seems like your argument falls into the category of: Yes this is wrong and the Trust system shouldn't be used like that, but just because at this point of time this specific case supports my current ideology, I'm willing to close my eyes on it and let it slide.

Perhaps it'd be best if you enlighten everyone and show what true vile stuff that I'm posting to justify such an exception? So far, all we have is a snippet from my reply to Stalker22 (must be why s/he's so vocal on here too) posts  talking about objectively comparing civilian casualty rates

First of it's not an ideology, but ok, not going deeper into it. Nope, it's not about being on right or wrong side. Trust system isn't made for these things and probably only neutral tag can be appropriate in such situations. I just can understand icopress - try to put yourself in his position. Living for more than 4 years in warzone, he probably lost some friends or family members and then you see someone continuous justifying war - great feeling, right?
And no, sorry, I'm not going to quote here - I have better ways to spend my evening than digging through your posts history. During these 4 years I had enough interactions with you and saw more than enough your posts.

Sure, emotions can come into play. but Ukraine/Russia is not even the bloodies conflict happening at this time! 08 June 2026-Since the start of the Russian Federation’s full-scale invasion, OHCHR has verified that 15,850 civilians, including 791 children, have been killed in Ukraine. and currently there are 21,283 dead children in Israeli invasion and bombing of Gaza a conflict where almost every 3rd one killed is a child! Doesn't feel great, does it? Now what use of the forum's Trust system by a person connected to Gaza would be "understandable" for you too? Point being, this is not about asking icopress to get his emotions in check, but inaction and inadequate response or just turning a blind eye by those that supposed to oversee the validity of the system from such emotional use of it. Seems they're fine to undermine the Trust system and are setting a precedent for such emotional use of it for the future.

[Rating Place]

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I attributed one quote to the wrong person. As soon as I found out, I apologized. There is no smearing of members.

Obviously, that is not true.  Because if it were, there would be no need for a negative tag, right?

Here are some facts:
You misquoted holydarkness on April 11 - here.  Multiple members, including nutildah, have tried to point out your mistake, but you have consistently dismissed every single one of them.  Instead of admitting you made a mistake, you have doubled down, deflected, and even accused a reputable forum member of lying at least three times.  At this point, your refusal to acknowledge a simple misquote isnt just a mistake anymore - its a blatant choice to be dishonest.  I tagged your account on May 10.  You admitted your mistake and apologized to nutildah later that same day.

Highlight that I want to emphasize, as it become one of the reason I raise my own flag against him - https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;flag=3530

Because even after those smear campaign he made on me, he didn't feel the need to apologize to me. As such, that also brushed the situation about sportsbook dynamic of "turnkey", I am not forgiving his act and I am not feeling whole, as his smear campaign made people dubious to be in touch and open themselves to me. Thus, ultimately hinders the very progress of dispute resolution I tried to do to deescalate situation in SA.

First off, use the other thread and stop duplicating since this is about icopress. I'll give same answer here and then please direct to one thread.

Why do you keep yelling Turnkey when most are turnkey? A book just overturned a flag a couple of days ago. The book makes the final decision.

holy thinks the book is the middleman and doesn't control anything. He says warning flags are proof of arbitrage and a multitude of other things that are incorrect. holy may be great with casino problems but not sports. Here's what people said for XYes

Everytime it's holy's eyes only, he rules for the book. https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5545943.80

woodie

Here we go again... lets call a spade a spade, the arb card is being misused alot these day's because they know evidence is for their eyes only !!

ziportan

the thing is , holydarkness is prone to believe anything that the casinos say -although they are OBVIOUS lies- than the players claims which are supported by actual evidences..

darstall

well as one of the players said, this character holydarkness is not here to help players, but to continue to blame players, and he uses bet amounts as an argument, not real evidence.

flexie80

f you are so much defending the books for consicating for value betting, do you even realize that 99% of the bets that are being placed are pure value bets for the sportsbook itself?

ziportan

You keep saying that but you are the one that keeps confusing. You keep letting casinos or the casino reps here confuse you all the time.

flexie80

My purpose is not to sling mud at you, my purpose is to teach you a bit of how sportsbetting works. Because from reading your posts I can see you don't know much yet. You probably dealt mostly with casino related cases. I am not saying you are a bad person but I'm saying you judgement is clouded by a lack of understanding of the sportsbetting business.

[Lucius]

~snip~
Sure, emotions can come into play. but Ukraine/Russia is not even the bloodies conflict happening at this time! 08 June 2026-Since the start of the Russian Federation’s full-scale invasion, OHCHR has verified that 15,850 civilians, including 791 children, have been killed in Ukraine. and currently there are 21,283 dead children in Israeli invasion and bombing of Gaza a conflict where almost every 3rd one killed is a child! Doesn't feel great, does it? Now what use of the forum's Trust system by a person connected to Gaza would be "understandable" for you too? Point being, this is not about asking icopress to get his emotions in check, but inaction and inadequate response or just turning a blind eye by those that supposed to oversee the validity of the system from such emotional use of it. Seems they're fine to undermine the Trust system and are setting a precedent for such emotional use of it for the future.

Sick people like you who seek justification for all the evil you have done (and are still doing) by calling the almost 20 000 civilians you killed a "white glove operation" or a "humane war" in comparison to other war criminals only shows that you are all more or less on the same wavelength as that bloodthirsty madman who leads you. You got the least you deserved - I would have removed all of you Putler Boys from the forum a long time ago because you promote war, violence, terrorism and demand more blood.

Your colleague who is currently replacing you at P&S while you fight for your reputation wrote the following:

The heaviest strikes against Ukraine took place on the night of May 23–24, 2026.

To end the war sooner, it is necessary to strike Ukraine in this manner every night for several consecutive months. Ukrainian people should be warned not to go to work at night to avoid heavy casualties, while strikes are delivered ruthlessly using all available weaponry.

Only then will Ukraine be unable to hold out and be forced to capitulate—on any terms.

[DaRude]

~snip~
Sure, emotions can come into play. but Ukraine/Russia is not even the bloodies conflict happening at this time! 08 June 2026-Since the start of the Russian Federation’s full-scale invasion, OHCHR has verified that 15,850 civilians, including 791 children, have been killed in Ukraine. and currently there are 21,283 dead children in Israeli invasion and bombing of Gaza a conflict where almost every 3rd one killed is a child! Doesn't feel great, does it? Now what use of the forum's Trust system by a person connected to Gaza would be "understandable" for you too? Point being, this is not about asking icopress to get his emotions in check, but inaction and inadequate response or just turning a blind eye by those that supposed to oversee the validity of the system from such emotional use of it. Seems they're fine to undermine the Trust system and are setting a precedent for such emotional use of it for the future.

Sick people like you who seek justification for all the evil you have done (and are still doing) by calling the almost 20 000 civilians you killed a "white glove operation" or a "humane war" in comparison to other war criminals only shows that you are all more or less on the same wavelength as that bloodthirsty madman who leads you. You got the least you deserved - I would have removed all of you Putler Boys from the forum a long time ago because you promote war, violence, terrorism and demand more blood.

Your colleague who is currently replacing you at P&S while you fight for your reputation wrote the following:

The heaviest strikes against Ukraine took place on the night of May 23–24, 2026.

To end the war sooner, it is necessary to strike Ukraine in this manner every night for several consecutive months. Ukrainian people should be warned not to go to work at night to avoid heavy casualties, while strikes are delivered ruthlessly using all available weaponry.

Only then will Ukraine be unable to hold out and be forced to capitulate—on any terms.

I don't recall ever calling it a "white glove operation"! Cite where I claim such nonsense!

There's a subtle difference between accusing someone of calling it a "humane war" and me actually saying that "when comparing to other conflicts in intensity (missiles, artillery, drones, bombs dropped), duration, and civilian to military losses, this objectively might be the most "humane", as in the war with the least civilian casualty rates ever."

Explain exactly how hostm is my colleague now?

Merriam-Webster Dictionary
colleague-an associate or coworker in a workplace or profession and often of similar rank or status : a fellow worker or professional

You're scraping the bottom of the barrel here. Looks like just because you couldn't find anything on me, in desperation, you now resort to providing posts from other random users, slandering me and throwing baseless accusations that I'm now a working professional with this this user?

Seems that some members on here get negative feedbacks from DTs just for misquoting alone! But i guess in your case they'll just turn the blind eye on this too  

I feel like I'm arguing in a clown circus here! You know, that's fine, if you decided to make a joke out of the Trust system and other DTs decided to stay silent on this, have it your way, you won, after all you're on DT so surely you must know best!
I'm now formally requesting that every DT, that doesn't like/agree/approve any post that I or any other user on this board ever posted about Ukraine or Zelenskyy to leave me negative feedback! I agree to take on all of this negative feedback as a form of collective punishment and promise to not hold it against you in any of our possible future interactions on this forum!

Congrats, guess you won

[LoyceV]

I'm just leaving this here, from more than 4 years ago:

In all of the many years I've been admin, I don't think that anything has touched/disturbed me more than knowing that there are many veteran forum members whose countries are currently at war. It's insane that we have several people here who are literally under artillery bombardment and are being forced to defend their homes from soldiers. How is humanity so messed up that an entire bureaucracy and chain of command filled with hundreds of thousands of people are helping to commit this atrocity? And while Ukrainians are the biggest victims of this war, of course, the average Russian person is a victim too: economic cannon fodder in Putin's war.

The Russian section was the first non-English section created (created when Satoshi was the forum's head administrator), and Russian-speakers, including many Ukrainians, were some of the earliest adopters of Bitcoin. This war is a tragedy in many more important ways, but it's specifically a tragedy for the Bitcoin community. My greatest hope is that applied cryptography (of which Bitcoin is probably the most successful example) will enable Russians to resist and eventually overthrow their authoritarian government in ways that give them some chance of continuing their lives. It's not reasonable to expect Russians to resist in ways that lead to almost-certain death or imprisonment.

I did not expect forum members to continue the war here on Bitcointalk.

[LTU_btc]

Sure, emotions can come into play. but Ukraine/Russia is not even the bloodies conflict happening at this time! 08 June 2026-Since the start of the Russian Federation’s full-scale invasion, OHCHR has verified that 15,850 civilians, including 791 children, have been killed in Ukraine. and currently there are 21,283 dead children in Israeli invasion and bombing of Gaza a conflict where almost every 3rd one killed is a child! Doesn't feel great, does it? Now what use of the forum's Trust system by a person connected to Gaza would be "understandable" for you too? Point being, this is not about asking icopress to get his emotions in check, but inaction and inadequate response or just turning a blind eye by those that supposed to oversee the validity of the system from such emotional use of it. Seems they're fine to undermine the Trust system and are setting a precedent for such emotional use of it for the future.

Whataboutism at it's finest. Even if it's not bloodiest, it doesn't becomes somehow better or something. How we can even compare war in huge country like Ukraine and 365 km² dot on the map with ~6,000 people per km² population density.
I'm not even talking about that official numbers might be very far away from reality. Civilian deaths in Russian occupied regions isn't documented and most likely that in cities like Mariupol these numbers is huge.
If someone from Gaza would leave same kind of feedback, I wouldn't be surprised and I'm not someonewho would judge it, I don't like double standards

[LFC_Bitcoin]

The trust system isn’t designed so an individual can just request for removal of somebody from DT. Theymos designed it to avoid this, if you don’t think somebody shouldn’t be on DT then feel free to distrust them by adding a tilde to their name in your trust list ~person.

To answer this particular case though, I don’t think any type of personal political view or comment is deserving of red trust. I’m not sure if icopress lives in an area that has suffered due to wars or whatever but if so maybe that’s why he felt emotional or annoyed enough to leave negative trust. He’s a good guy though so maybe reach out privately and request that he removes it or downgrades it to neutral. It’s definitely not deserving of negative trust though in my opinion.

[nutildah]

Objectively speaking, these feedbacks have nothing to do with trustworthiness, and the fact that they're not referenced makes them even worse:

Branko

2026-05-21

Be careful with any statements he makes, as he, being a supporter of the ideology of totalitarian dictatorship, resorts to malicious slander, spreading his pseudo-expert and completely unrealistic ideas about the war and distorting the facts.

hostm

2026-05-21

A supporter of the ideology of a totalitarian dictatorship who spreads his pseudo-expert and completely out-of-touch ideas based on hatred. Be careful with any statements he makes, as this guy does not hesitate to resort to malicious slander and interpret facts. Based on my own moral and ethical code, I strongly recommend that everyone avoid any dialogue with this guy.

DaRude

2026-05-21

Under the guise of "analysis," he deliberately spreads a toxic, destructive narrative that disorients users and justifies crimes. Avoid him like the plague if you care about intellectual and moral hygiene.

As much as I find the "victims" of this feedback to be distasteful human beings, it is my personal opinion that the trust system shouldn't be used in this manner, and I am thus excluding icopress from my trust list. This is a slippery slope that if not addressed now will pave the way for more abuse of the system in the future. It will also incur a lot more criticism of DT.

Politics & Society should be considered its own silo of nuttiness. It is more or less an insane asylum, with "asylum" being the operative word. Any dispute that arises there is by definition not a trade dispute.

The notion that if someone has nutty political beliefs they must be untrustworthy is not based on solid reasoning. I don't know if any of you guys ever dealt with TheButterZone, but he was a total nutter and still very competent at trade. Same thing with TECSHARE but to a lesser extent.

[tvbcof]

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I feel like I'm arguing in a clown circus here! You know, that's fine, if you decided to make a joke out of the Trust system and other DTs decided to stay silent on this, have it your way, you won, after all you're on DT so surely you must know best!

I'm now formally requesting that every DT, that doesn't like/agree/approve any post that I or any other user on this board ever posted about Ukraine or Zelenskyy to leave me negative feedback! I agree to take on all of this negative feedback as a form of collective punishment and promise to not hold it against you in any of our possible future interactions on this forum!

Congrats, guess you won

Hold on a sec bro.  I want my fair share of 'negative'.  I want the world to know that I saw Zelensky, his sponsors, and his cohorts as 100% slime from day one AND said something about it.

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The 'collective West', driven in large part by the Zionist neocon creeps:

 - implemented a coup in Ukraine to kick out their elected leadership.

 - used false flag mercenaries to murder both civilians and police to get them fighting with one another.  Trapped bunch of Russian speaking civilians in a building then burnt them to death.

 - made a fake agreement with Russia with the pre-planned intent of eventually breaking it just to buy time to get the Ukrainian Slavs armed up and ready for conflict.

 - commissioned the RAND think-tank to make a plan for getting Russia involved in armed conflict.  The solution presented was to be so abusive and awful to the Russian speaking Ukrainians that Putin would be forced to get involved.

 - Putin stove off pressure from his own people to do something about the Ukrainian abuse for years.  Eventually he was forced to do the SMO, and he clearly hoped that it would be enough to force enduring peace then withdraw to original borders (with the heavily abused Donbass being Ukrainian but with some degree of the autonomy and rights the Ukrainian populations needed to live in something other than abject terror at the hands of the fellow Ukrainian UkroZioNazis from up the other side of the country.)

 - Zelensky and his controllers stole about half of the truly massive 'aid' pouring in from Collective West so they had no reason to stop the conflict and have not to this day.  They busied themselves buying Ferraris and villas in Monaco with their plunder.  Meanwhile the pleb class Slavic goyim were rounded up by force and marched to their deaths at the front and the lands lost a huge percentage of their population which is, I believe, part of the original plan all along.  Easier for Blackrock to take ownership of the whole fuckin' place if it abandoned by the plebs.  Whether it  be by immigration, or death by Russian, makes no difference to Zelensky and his handlers.

Anyway, I want fair credit for being fully against this whole scheme from an early stage and not just keeping quiet about it.  If that means 'distrust' from the Zelensky minions, great!

[mikeywith]

I completely disagree with icopress's feedback here.

I understand the frustration that comes from seeing your country being destroyed while others defend the opposing side. To me, this is one of the hardest tests of character, having the opportunity to seek revenge, yet choosing not to.

icopress is a highly trusted member and is unlikely to be removed from DT anytime soon. In fact, I wouldn't want to see him removed. From what I've seen, he is well-grounded, and I trust his judgment. I would encourage him to remove the tag and limit his response to criticizing or condemning what he sees as unethical statements instead (and probably even call you names for being an asshole   )

on a side but related note, @theymos, what you think of "anonymous posting" on the P&S section? I am sure many people would appreciate.