The merit system made it too Difficult for new members to grow their account

[UchihaSarada]

’The merit system made it too Difficult for new members to grow their account’

That’s the whole point and the intention of theymos when he implemented it. We were getting too many shit posters coming here for the free bread.

Signature campaigns made this place a honey pot for low quality posters and multi-account abusers. The forum was filled with spam and something had to be done about it.

It’s now a lot more difficult to rank up which encourages higher quality posters and discourages bad actors abusing this place for a quick buck.

Shitposters and spamming are headache of theymos and the admin even had to ask for ideas from community.
Ideas for improving post quality?

Then he spent time to develop the merit system, that was created to prevent shitposters ranking up. The merit system does not stop good newbie posters to rank up, but shit posters are the targets.

I'm hoping that this system will increase post quality by:
 - Forcing people to post high-quality stuff in order to rank up. If you just post garbage, you will never get even 1 merit point, and you will therefore never be able to put links in your signature, etc.
 - Highlighting good posts with the "Merited by" line.

[nutildah]

Nobody's gonna point out the obvious?

‎The merit system and principles was brought up on Bitcoin talk better the quality of ideas discussion and to reduce the rate of spam before it is introduction user could rank up by simple being active and focused which led to low quality post today, member needs merit form other users in addition to active point to advance and improve other accounts.

‎While the system has led to the improvement form quality some new members feel that earring merit has become something hard many up coming members make useful ideas and contributions but struggle to receive recognition because they are not yet well known. In some sections of the forum merit is awarded and given frequently, while in others it is very hard to learn, Creating and forming an uneven experience for the users.

‎A major and higher challenge for newcomers/member is understanding what kind of content and bring merit gone user spend long period of time posting without having success because they focus on short replies instead of creating and forming information and engaging discussions those who take time to learn, share knowledge and help others people often and regularly have a  better chance and opportunity of receiving merit

‎In my Opinion and understanding the merit The system has made ranking up more challenging and hard but not something impossible it gives rewards and awards the people with patience putting in effort and gives quality contributions instead of asking how to get merit, new members may benefit more from asking how they can add more value to the forum when contributions and ideas become consistent, merit often follows naturally.

If this is how you write, you shouldn't be posting here. You should learn how to write better in the English language first. Your opening sentence is just terrible and it looks like you deleted words and punctuation for some reason. You will never succeed here if nobody can understand what you're saying.

It wouldn't hurt to also spend time learning about Bitcoin.

[NotFuzzyWarm]

I wouldn't be that ^^ harsh but ja, folks need to understand that a single sentence must not run on and on to become a multi-line paragraph covering multiple ideas! If anything that makes it harder for most people to follow your points. Learn how to use punctuation correctly: The same rules for writing structures pretty much apply to all languages, not just English.

[nutildah]

The same rules for writing structures pretty much apply to all languages, not just English.

Good point. I get the impression that a lot of struggling accounts are poor writers in their native language as well. But they know there's money to be made here if they can just get enough posts to stay up without getting deleted. Such a weird place. As wearer of a signature I have to acquiesce to the fact that I too am a SEO stamper. I'm just saying, c'mon, let's have some standards so we can at least pretend we're serious.

[ChisomP]

‎The merit system and principles was brought up on Bitcoin talk better the quality of ideas discussion and to reduce the rate of spam before it is introduction user could rank up by simple being active and focused which led to low quality post today, member needs merit form other users in addition to active point to advance and improve other accounts.

‎While the system has led to the improvement form quality some new members feel that earring merit has become something hard many up coming members make useful ideas and contributions but struggle to receive recognition because they are not yet well known. In some sections of the forum merit is awarded and given frequently, while in others it is very hard to learn, Creating and forming an uneven experience for the users.

‎A major and higher challenge for newcomers/member is understanding what kind of content and bring merit gone user spend long period of time posting without having success because they focus on short replies instead of creating and forming information and engaging discussions those who take time to learn, share knowledge and help others people often and regularly have a  better chance and opportunity of receiving merit

‎In my Opinion and understanding the merit The system has made ranking up more challenging and hard but not something impossible it gives rewards and awards the people with patience putting in effort and gives quality contributions instead of asking how to get merit, new members may benefit more from asking how they can add more value to the forum when contributions and ideas become consistent, merit often follows naturally.

This is a repeated topic. I've come across same exact topic not too long ago. Is this really an issue? I mean a lot of people are actually talking about it.
I know I have learnt a lot in the few months I've been here. But if you are talking about forum growth which have to do with ranks, then maybe it is true. I think as a newbie in this forum, I have grown a little when it comes to Bitcoin investment. I have even learned a thing or two about good gambling habits which I was lacking, and so many other things. So even though rank growth is stunted, knowledge is not. And I believe with time one can build up their ranks.

[Pmalek]

It's supposed to be more difficult to rank up than it was before. That's what the introduction of the merit system accomplished. It's not an unfortunate consequence. It was a planned feature by theymos. The problem with these new members who claim it's too difficult to rank up is that many of them know nothing about Bitcoin. Some are semi-literate and unable to write properly. Combine the two and you get a horror show. They don't come here to learn anything and to participate in normal forum discussions. They want to reach a higher rank only to earn some money from signature payments. Since they depend on other people meriting their posts to get there, that's not going to happen.

[JollyGood]

Why do you want to "grow your account"?

If you want to monetise it via a signature campaign, you can simply post that rather than complain about the manner the current system is designed and without you giving an unnecessary lecture about lack of recognition.

Also, keeping my suspicions aside that this Mr intelligence account is not your only account it has been noted that you created this thread on 7th June  and since then (a week later) you have not even made a single post. Why do you expect your account deserves to grow when you have not contributed anything that warrants it?

‎The merit system and principles was brought up on Bitcoin talk better the quality of ideas discussion and to reduce the rate of spam before it is introduction user could rank up by simple being active and focused which led to low quality post today, member needs merit form other users in addition to active point to advance and improve other accounts.

‎While the system has led to the improvement form quality some new members feel that earring merit has become something hard many up coming members make useful ideas and contributions but struggle to receive recognition because they are not yet well known. In some sections of the forum merit is awarded and given frequently, while in others it is very hard to learn, Creating and forming an uneven experience for the users.

‎A major and higher challenge for newcomers/member is understanding what kind of content and bring merit gone user spend long period of time posting without having success because they focus on short replies instead of creating and forming information and engaging discussions those who take time to learn, share knowledge and help others people often and regularly have a  better chance and opportunity of receiving merit

‎In my Opinion and understanding the merit The system has made ranking up more challenging and hard but not something impossible it gives rewards and awards the people with patience putting in effort and gives quality contributions instead of asking how to get merit, new members may benefit more from asking how they can add more value to the forum when contributions and ideas become consistent, merit often follows naturally.

[Doan9269]

When you discover a newbies complaining that the merit system is difficult in making them skill through the ranking requirements, they know that they are not for the interest of this forum, but their own personal and selfish ambition, this forum was not intended for us to achieve anything other than bitcoin discussions ultimately, any other thing I just a secondary benefits which serves as additional opportunities for us all.

A new b doesn't need to be much concerned about merit or how to rank up his account, what you need is to concentrate more on what he can deliver to the community and join in Bitcoin discussions with relevant posts of quality standards, every other thing will be made easy for him to scale through.

[robelneo]

In my Opinion and understanding the merit The system has made ranking up more challenging and hard but not something impossible it gives rewards and awards the people with patience putting in effort and gives quality contributions instead of asking how to get merit, new members may benefit more from asking how they can add more value to the forum when contributions and ideas become consistent, merit often follows naturally.

With this mindset, you understand how this forum works and what you need to achieve your goal here on Bitcointalk. You keep that mindset, and it's only a matter of time before you build your character and reputation.
You can't do that over time, but why hurry? It's better to take it slow and take in every lesson and experience as you grow. Being a newbie here is a challenge, but those once-newbies, after the merit introduction, became the best posters and contributors on this forum.

[UchihaSarada]

With this mindset, you understand how this forum works and what you need to achieve your goal here on Bitcointalk. You keep that mindset, and it's only a matter of time before you build your character and reputation.
You can't do that over time, but why hurry? It's better to take it slow and take in every lesson and experience as you grow. Being a newbie here is a challenge, but those once-newbies, after the merit introduction, became the best posters and contributors on this forum.

Mr. Intelligence is not hurry to learn because he did not return to this thread and make any reply. His account shows login time very recent days but it's about one week since the topic creation date, no reply from him here.

If he is hurry to learn, he would not only read but also make replies to answer community questions, and ask more help from some posts, ideas given by community.

No replies, likely his intention is not learning, and clearly not hurry learning.

[TokenTikas]

‎While the system has led to the improvement form quality some new members feel that earring merit has become something hard many up coming members make useful ideas and contributions but struggle to receive recognition because they are not yet well known. In some sections of the forum merit is awarded and given frequently, while in others it is very hard to learn, Creating and forming an uneven experience for the users.

As a new user, I can understand your points quite well and overall, the things you have highlighted are important. If a new user can properly learn and understand all the rules and regulations, then earning merit is not difficult for them. Even by participating in discussions, merit can be earned if the discussion is informative.

From my personal point of view, as a new member, I believe that anyone who wants to do well on the forum only needs to stay focused and contribute something informative and valuable and they can progress quite easily.

[MarryWithBTC]

Mr. Intelligence is not hurry to learn because he did not return to this thread and make any reply. His account shows login time very recent days but it's about one week since the topic creation date, no reply from him here.

If he is hurry to learn, he would not only read but also make replies to answer community questions, and ask more help from some posts, ideas given by community.

No replies, likely his intention is not learning, and clearly not hurry learning.

Mr. Intelligence didn't make the post to learn. he rather made the the post to state what he might consider to be facts and he was also complaining and seeking for improvement, so this post was not meant for learning sake. So there was no need visiting the thread again since he received some backlashes.

What he needs to do now is just to lock the thread and move on.

[Jostern]

Please refer and continue posting on this thread Has Bitcointalk Become Harder for Genuine Beginners? as your topic thread doesn't differ on the topic mentioned, thus this is just another topic duplication.

Yeah, I was just going through the meta section and I found out that I have seen a similar thread to the one I just saw now, I wanted to say something about it before I came across your post.

The only reason why I think someone wants to grow accounts immediately is to monetize the account, because I absolutely don’t think there is any reason for that anymore.

When you make a good quality post there is every tendency that you get merited, and you have to give a meaningful contribution that would warrant merits.

However this days getting merits it’s quite difficult, so you have to be smart enough to understand what you’re doing in terms of making post and contributing in different threads.

Judging from the activities of the OP, he created the account in February, he posted on March not frequently, and he stopped posting in that same March, he didn’t post in April, May, which is two months he didn’t post, so I’m wondering how he was expecting his account to grow when his been inconsistent in this forum.

He have to stay consistent, and make good quality post and contribution then he can have a chance of growing like he put it in his statement.

[Bigjoe33]

Key point is that unlike most social media sites, for the most part this a TECHNICAL forum. Put some thought into your posts and you'll do fine.

You just made a great point that clarifies his question or feelings. Sincerely, the forum is highly technical, I must say, and to stay good and grow , you also need to be technical too. Technicality in posting and reactions births you merits and growth. Though it isn't easy, but gradually, it will be earned.

I think one of the best ways to do that is to ensure you give in time studying and reading so many things. While reading, two things happens. You get to understand what the point of discussion is, meaning you are opportuned to have gathered some knowledge from the topic been discussed, and then, you secondly have a chance to give your own share and idea about the subject matter. By doing this, you have learned something and the same time leaving an information for the next person to also learn from. Of course, someone who finds your information helpful or sees it good can merit you immediately. Merits can come at anytime. So the best is just to keep learning and also contributing, and gradually, you will grow

[JollyGood]

Well, the OP has not engaged with the community since creating this thread. I am not surprised as I have seen the same pattern many times over the years.

You will have to come to your own conclusion about what his real motives are for posting in the first place but for me it is very clear. The post history and the context of his post here clearly demonstrate it is not the only account he operates and he is frustrated that he must go through a process before he can monetise this Mr intelligence (or any other) account.

[IjawMan]

Mr. Intelligence is not hurry to learn because he did not return to this thread and make any reply. His account shows login time very recent days but it's about one week since the topic creation date, no reply from him here.

If he is hurry to learn, he would not only read but also make replies to answer community questions, and ask more help from some posts, ideas given by community.

No replies, likely his intention is not learning, and clearly not hurry learning.

Mr. Intelligence didn't make the post to learn. he rather made the the post to state what he might consider to be facts and he was also complaining and seeking for improvement, so this post was not meant for learning sake. So there was no need visiting the thread again since he received some backlashes.

What he needs to do now is just to lock the thread and move on.

The forum does not favour the weak, the emotional guy and the complainers cause seeking self pity is a waste of time newbie should have been using to lstudy the forum on how members are growing in rank which is purely shared-knowledge-base process.

Not coming back to his thread out of receiving backlashes which he did not expect it to have been the responses to his thread, that is a shallow mindset and cowardice, running away from your own thread cause lots of people disagreed with you.

Op needs to grow thick skin as I have walked through thread where newbies are told to grow thick skin if they want to grow and learn, even from backlashes you can still learn a thing. If you advise him to lock this thread, just imagine how many threads he will have to lock in the future when the responses disagrees with his perspective.

[Btcdeybodi]

Simply put it ''the merit system made it too difficult for newbie spammers to grow their account and rank up easily''. No matter how hard the merit system has become for newbies over the years, it has helped to reduce spammers and made it harder for shit posters to rank up so the advantages of the merit system is higher than its disadvantages. However, while you are lamenting about the difficulty of the merit system for newbies, also know that some newbies are also earning merits regularly which brought about this thread The future of Bitcointalk: Low Ranking Top Merit earners in the past 30 days