Looking for spreadshets of old signature campaigns

[Alonso_]

I’m very surprised, why a newbie would be asking of old spreadsheets.

This might be something different and unexpected from a newbie, however if a good reason is established.           

I don’t think anyone would want to keep an old spreadsheets, or possibly can be gotten from the campaign threads,

But I’m quite certain about what @joker_Josue have said, it could possibly be about organizing wallets for personal reasons best known to the OP.

Anyways it doesn’t look like a newbie, when I came into the Bitcointalk community I didn’t know what a spreadsheet was on this platform, not until I joined a campaign.

It’s quite surprising that a newbie knows so much about a spreadsheet.

[joker_josue]

But I’m quite certain about what @joker_Josue have said, it could possibly be about organizing wallets for personal reasons best known to the OP.

Basically, what I meant is that to organize your personal wallet, you don't need to know the spreadsheets for all the campaigns, nor the dates or amounts sent.

All you need to know is the address you shared with the campaign manager, and you'll quickly find out all this information about your portfolio.

[aoluain]

Hi guys, im trying to sort of my wallet and I have many transactions and most of them are from when I used to post here like 10 years ago, they used to pay you for signature campaigns, it was basically small payments for ad revenue. I see the signature campaigns are still going on. I always thought that was a cool way to spread BTC around the world which makes people interested in BTC and learning how it works.

OP, I highly doubt you participated in any of those campaigns, considering you don't even have 1 merit.
You're probably an alt account, and you don't have the courage to officially say who you really are.

Then, you need access to the spreadsheets to organize your wallet?
Even spreadsheets that are still accessible should only contain information from the last 2 or 3 weeks of activity.

But, we come back to the same question, why have access to this, to organize the wallet?

Do you know which campaign you participated in? Check the address you provided during registration. From there, you'll know which transactions belong to each campaign.

Therefore, honestly, it seems to me that you want to obtain information from third parties rather than your own information.

This thread got me thing further after I posted above and read some more replies . . .
I decided to spend some time to go back and find the first signature campaign which I participated in
and I believe it was this one with Yahoo62278 > https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1936212.0
and the spreadsheet is still visible and accessible.

as an aside SunContract is still operating!

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So if the OP had participated in signature campaigns with another profile they can go back in their
account history and visit each campaign  and check the spreadsheets, if they are not accessible
they can try NotATether's suggestion or contact the campaign manager.

Maybe the OP wants to calculate the payments they received and maybe for tax reasons?

[SamReomo]

I am sure that you are on the right track, suspecting him of impure intentions. All the companies he cited in the example were quite profitable, and naturally there were people there who could earn good amounts. I myself communicated with a person who works in a mixer and left the forum. By doing him a favor, someone may do others a disservice if they understand what I mean.

Yes, I really suspected that because I don't think that anyone with pure intentions is going to ask for such information. All of those companies were profitable and the members who used to be part of those campaigns also made good amount by promoting those on this forum.

Someone trying to know the spreadsheets of those campaigns might have some negative plans and I believe as good members of the forum we should never help such people. If OP was part of those campaigns then OP might have access to his own wallet and simply putting that wallet into a block explorer is enough to find which other wallets were part of the campaign.

[PowerGlove]

If anyone can find this information please let me know.

I still have a copy of the ChipMixer spreadsheet (Week 1 through Week 301). But, if DarkStar_ has unshared the original, then I'm going to assume that he had a good reason to do so, and I'm not going to risk subverting that by sharing my copy. If you give me a specific alias, then maybe I can privately share with you the details related to just that alias (only after I'm satisfied that you probably are/were whatever alias you're looking into, and not before you have demonstrated that you have preknowledge and control of at least one of the spreadsheet's payment addresses for that alias).

(If anyone intends to send me a PM about this, please be advised: Get your ducks in a nice, tidy row before contacting me. I'm in a very withdrawn and somewhat uncharitable state of mind, and I suspect that I will remain that way for a long while to come. I can be pensive even on a good day, and these days, which are not good, I often find myself lost in the low-energy reflection of an absorbing melancholy, so, I likely won't respond to you unless you make it very easy for me to do so, or unless you're someone that I feel like I can partially understand by having previously established some kind of a rapport with. Also, please don't send me AI-touched text; I'm getting pretty sick of reading lifeless, low-effort, silicon-infused twaddle.)

[Cryptohygenic]

If I get you right, you are looking out for how to sort your old wallets out from the spreadhsheets of the signature and campaigns projects you have been enrolled in the past 10 years when you were active here in the forum?
It is unfortunately that I could not even find a post of you applying for any of the projects neither have you signed a wallets in to the forum.
Perhaps getting inttouch to a crypto wallet address does not give you access to the wallet. You will still need to sign in your logins or recovery keys to have access. So I doubt how you may have the login password or recovery keys but does not have the wallet address.

[BitBakerr1]

I’m very surprised, why a newbie would be asking of old spreadsheets.

This might be something different and unexpected from a newbie, however if a good reason is established.          

I don’t think anyone would want to keep an old spreadsheets, or possibly can be gotten from the campaign threads,

But I’m quite certain about what @joker_Josue have said, it could possibly be about organizing wallets for personal reasons best known to the OP.

Anyways it doesn’t look like a newbie, when I came into the Bitcointalk community I didn’t know what a spreadsheet was on this platform, not until I joined a campaign.

It’s quite surprising that a newbie knows so much about a spreadsheet.

The OP is not a newbie that I’m sure of, he is a member that has been in this forum for long, and I’m also surprised that his asking of old spreadsheet and he needs to come and explain why he is asking for this, but I’m sure he won’t because I believe it’s not for good intentions.

Yes I don’t also think anyone would be keeping old spreadsheet however don’t be surprised that some people in this forum still has it but it will be few people.

Sure I think joker_Josue is right it could possibly be about organizing wallets for personal reasons best known to the OP, but I’m sure is not for good but I can’t conclude without hearing from OP.

For the last  time OP is not a newbie he just created this account for things like this, because if he uses his main account we may be able to fine out his intentions, because old members most have a particular character that we know of that can lead us to what he is really planing.

[Btcdeybodi]

OP, i do not know why you need such information but FYI, theymos has already banned mixer services in the forum, hence discussions about mixers is not meant to continue, i may be wrong though. However, there are many bitcointalk users who teleported their accounts to the other forum in order for them to continue promoting mixers, maybe they can be helpful to you over there. In case you want to visit the site: altcoinstalks.com

Therefore, honestly, it seems to me that you want to obtain information from third parties rather than your own information.

I thought as much too, because why will he be asking for a spreadsheet of 10 years ago which should be in 2016. I think the forum was not even popular as at then.

[joker_josue]

Maybe the OP wants to calculate the payments they received and maybe for tax reasons?

He doesn't need the spreadsheet to do that.

It has the information of what it has received from its addresses. There you will find dates and the amounts received.

Now, one thing is for sure, this OP user, did not participate in any campaign.
It's an alt of someone, who doesn't have the courage to identify himself.

[LoyceV]

Hi guys, im trying to sort of my wallet and I have many transactions and most of them are from when I used to post here like 10 years ago, they used to pay you for signature campaigns
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-Bit-X: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=877765.0
-Bitmixer: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=425135.0
-Coinomat: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1007178.0
-Coinut: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=992660.0
-Coinoindex: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1126158.0
-Betcoin.ag: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1236667.0
-Primedice: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=291387.0
-Enjin Coin: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2050527.0
-Coinpayments: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2222129.0
-Chipmixer: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1935179.0

It sounds like you're trying to find real world data attached to old Bitcoin addresses. There's no way you've been in all those campaigns, but feel free to prove me wrong by posting from the account(s) you had in, say, Chipmixer's campaign.

Maybe tax reasons?

Capital gains can be calculated on-chain, and it's a bit late to declare income taxes after all those years.

[Ucy]

There are several reasons something like what Op is looking for mayvbe necessary for others, one of which is to have proofs of your sources of income when requested by the authorities.
As you try to  sort out issues with the system, win a case against it or move up the ladder in another way, it's usually hard to succeed if you don't want to "play by the rules". They will look for dirt to see if your hands are clean. So, a typical Bitcoiner/Cyberpunk will be well prepared just incase they request for such info, or he wouldn't bother moving against the established order.

I think this is one important reason Bitcoin circular economy is important, but if you have to convert to fiat just make sure you have proofs of sources of legitimate income otherwise don't bother ranking up or something like that.

By the way, this is part on the reason I love Bitcoin features like Transparency, Immutability and decentralization. If this were implemented on  online platforms, the pages Op is looking for would likely still be accessible, or he would just have the information downloaded, with hashes for verification, that prove they're from legitimate sources, so that even if the decentralized platforms cease to exist, interested members or participants will still have individual copies in sizes they can store locally, that prove that such platform once existed and the information is legitimate

[joker_josue]

There are several reasons something like what Op is looking for mayvbe necessary for others, one of which is to have proofs of your sources of income when requested by the authorities.
As you try to  sort out issues with the system, win a case against it or move up the ladder in another way, it's usually hard to succeed if you don't want to "play by the rules". They will look for dirt to see if your hands are clean. So, a typical Bitcoiner/Cyberpunk will be well prepared just incase they request for such info, or he wouldn't bother moving against the established order.

For this, he does not need a spreadsheet created by someone, whom he does not know.

If you want to prove that the money came from a campaign here on the forum, just show the topic of the campaign, the post you made signing up with your BTC address.
Then sign a message proving that you still have control of that address.
At the end, it analyzes the blockchain where it has all the transactions received at that address.

In addition, many of these spreadsheets do not keep track of the entire campaign. Many campaign managers only keep records of the last two or three weeks.

[jamescameron2312]

For those who asked, reason is proof of funds if I ever want to sell those. Let's say you made 1 BTC posting back then, and BTC goes to a million and you want to buy a nice house with that one BTC. Well then any documents you have to prove that the activity was legit and help tracking the payments to your wallet would help. Of course, you also want to have a copy of the thread and your post to participate on the campaign which ideally should contain the BTC address. The spreadsheet is just adding substance and proves there was a real activity with payments there. If it's the archived link that matches the spreadsheet link on the thread is even better. Everything adds up and helps.

There are several reasons something like what Op is looking for mayvbe necessary for others, one of which is to have proofs of your sources of income when requested by the authorities.
As you try to  sort out issues with the system, win a case against it or move up the ladder in another way, it's usually hard to succeed if you don't want to "play by the rules". They will look for dirt to see if your hands are clean. So, a typical Bitcoiner/Cyberpunk will be well prepared just incase they request for such info, or he wouldn't bother moving against the established order.

For this, he does not need a spreadsheet created by someone, whom he does not know.

If you want to prove that the money came from a campaign here on the forum, just show the topic of the campaign, the post you made signing up with your BTC address.
Then sign a message proving that you still have control of that address.
At the end, it analyzes the blockchain where it has all the transactions received at that address.

In addition, many of these spreadsheets do not keep track of the entire campaign. Many campaign managers only keep records of the last two or three weeks.

The spreadsheets are maintained by the managers, it's not some random person. The manager usually has escrowed funds, the amounts on the spreadsheet would match the payments on the blockchain. On very old school ones, you didn't need to enter a post on the thread to participate, so I was wondering if maybe there was a spreadsheet to find your address if you cannot find it on the thread. Ideally you want an archived link of the spreadsheet which would prove it comes from the thread of the signature campaign, but even the file would help since you could find your address and the matching amounts for the payments on the blockchain, and sometimes the manager would post the blockchain transaction id's on the thread on every payment which would match with the spreadsheet's contents. It is yet another tool to prove you made the money on advertisement services and not something dodgy. Most reasonable tax authorities will understand that early adopters do not have everything 100% tracked, all you need is that the overall picture makes sense. If I was still participating in sig campaigns I would keep track of everything properly since day 1 because if BTC goes to 1 million you want to be able to prove funds are from there. 10+ years ago I wasn't paying attention to these things properly and frankly most people weren't since BTC was still a bit of a novel experiment and it was just cool to get paid for posting in a forum in this new internet currency, but luckily I have been able to find most of the information here and there in case I ever need it, but if find anything else that could help I would add it to my archive.

Also its possible that this forum maybe some day disappears with all the records, so you want to archive everything that would help with your proof of funds just in case, with screenshots as well as files and archived links that prove the source of the funds come from the signature campaigns.

[LoyceV]

For those who asked, reason is proof of funds if I ever want to sell those. Let's say you made 1 BTC posting back then, and BTC goes to a million and you want to buy a nice house with that one BTC.

"Hi, I got that Bitcoin when it was worth 10 bucks, I kept it all those years, and now it's worth a house. There was no reason to keep track of all details back then, because, like I said, it was worth 10 bucks." Many people must have similar stories to this.

[bitmover]

For those who asked, reason is proof of funds if I ever want to sell those. Let's say you made 1 BTC posting back then, and BTC goes to a million and you want to buy a nice house with that one BTC.

"Hi, I got that Bitcoin when it was worth 10 bucks, I kept it all those years, and now it's worth a house. There was no reason to keep track of all details back then, because, like I said, it was worth 10 bucks. Many people must have similar stories to this."

Blockchain is already an open spreadsheet

If you received coins in 2014-2017 an never spent them everyone will see it.

If you can prove you own an old bitcointalk account,  that is even better than some xls files

[joker_josue]

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I understand what you're saying. But I think things are analyzed in a not very adequate way.
It is complicating what is simple.

A spreadsheet does not give more weight than the data on the blockchain.

Notice, you're going to make a copy of this spreadsheet to your PC.
From that moment on, this document becomes yours. For all intents and purposes, for the authorities this document was made by you.
They will ask where is the money from other addresses? You will then have more things to justify than to defend yourself.

You want to build a strong narrative, just take screenshots of the campaign topics.
Print the post where to put your BTC address (either in the thread or in a private message).
Signs a message from the address involved.
If you consolidate the balance, save the transaction link. Re-signs a message from the address.

Anyway, you have many things you can do to build your story, than an Excel file, where dozens of addresses will appear, where you can give the idea that it's all yours.

It is true that each country has its own tax regime, but as a rule in all of them, the more details you give (without being asked), you are left with more problems than solution.

Have clear information about what you have received, and use blockchain as the best proof.

[jamescameron2312]

For those who asked, reason is proof of funds if I ever want to sell those. Let's say you made 1 BTC posting back then, and BTC goes to a million and you want to buy a nice house with that one BTC.

"Hi, I got that Bitcoin when it was worth 10 bucks, I kept it all those years, and now it's worth a house. There was no reason to keep track of all details back then, because, like I said, it was worth 10 bucks." Many people must have similar stories to this.

Yeah, there's many similar stories, but ideally you want to be able to have proof of funds, of how you acquired the 10 bucks worth of BTC, because ultimately you are cashing out a bigger amount, in this case a million, so they may ask, in case they ask you should have as many documents as possible to prove the origin of those BTC.

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I understand what you're saying. But I think things are analyzed in a not very adequate way.
It is complicating what is simple.

A spreadsheet does not give more weight than the data on the blockchain.

Notice, you're going to make a copy of this spreadsheet to your PC.
From that moment on, this document becomes yours. For all intents and purposes, for the authorities this document was made by you.
They will ask where is the money from other addresses? You will then have more things to justify than to defend yourself.

You want to build a strong narrative, just take screenshots of the campaign topics.
Print the post where to put your BTC address (either in the thread or in a private message).
Signs a message from the address involved.
If you consolidate the balance, save the transaction link. Re-signs a message from the address.

Anyway, you have many things you can do to build your story, than an Excel file, where dozens of addresses will appear, where you can give the idea that it's all yours.

It is true that each country has its own tax regime, but as a rule in all of them, the more details you give (without being asked), you are left with more problems than solution.

Have clear information about what you have received, and use blockchain as the best proof.

Already addressed this on the other post. The spreadsheet is just an extra, and ideally you want it archived so the link is the same as the one that can be found on the original signature campaign thread. If you have the file, you can use the txid posts of the manager on each payment. What do I mean by this is, for instance this manager reported here a payment:

Round 60 Payments have been sent out!

Thank you all for yet another fantastic week, keep it up!

No new positions have opened up.

BTC rate at time of payment - $63,820.

You have this link:

Round 60 Payments have been sent out!

And let's say the spreadsheet link got deleted, but you saved this file:

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1OAHq2Z5P1gt3bngy646b3PvzHvzsTmFlB3kPFiqldyI/edit?gid=823953362#gid=823953362

Well now you have something useful here: The link of the manager with the txid, the spreadsheet with the payment where you can go to round 60, and you can find your address there which proves you participated in this signature campaign. All payments match so this cannot be forged even if it's a local file on your computer. This also gives substance to prove the economic activity was real. And like I said before, it may be the case that sometimes you cannot find your BTC address on the thread for whatever reason (maybe there was another system where it wasn't needed, like I think bitmixer or bit-x among others, or perhaps you deleted the post containing your BTC address for privacy reasons and then years later realized you should have kept a record and now the spreadsheet would be the only way to link your BTC address to the signature campaign)

Ultimately it's just an extra. Having the signature campaign thread archived, and something that links the BTC address you used to get paid to the signature campaign, as well as some screenshots, and most importantly, ownership of the BTC address to provide digital signatures if needed, should be enough for any reasonable tax administration.

Also, like I said, consider that eventually, this forum will be disappear (hopefully never, but many years from now, it may as many other websites did), so everything you have will be either local files, or archived links, ideally both. Just in case I would archive as much as possible.

[PowerGlove]

At the end, it analyzes the blockchain where it has all the transactions received at that address.

It's not as simple as that in all cases, JJ.

For example, there is no address-containing post from me in the ChipMixer campaign thread (because I applied by PM; and I know that I wasn't the only one to do that; and I know that people don't always retain copies of their PMs; and I know that DarkStar_ hasn't been online in ~2 years, and so, for now, they can't be asked to corroborate anything). Also, and more importantly, when I look at the spreadsheet, I see a decent amount of address "churn" (some of it probably privacy-related, and some of it SegWit-transition-related, and so on). Basically, I can see some scenarios where someone might legitimately need a bit of info from the spreadsheet to help them untangle things.

My offer to selectively share some details with other campaign participants is just that, and I'm certainly not going to help anyone who's on a fishing expedition. If some entity/representative tried to compel me to share some info, on pain of whatever, I'd tell them to go pound sand (and if push really did come to shove, and I was somehow looking at serious consequences for not playing ball, I'd choose to take my lumps; I'm not the type to assist the war on privacy, and justify it with, "I didn't have a choice"; I'm more the type who feels as though there's always a choice [1]).

(BTW, I'm sorry that I left you hanging with that last PM you sent me. I've sat down once or twice and tried to draft a reply, but, these days my replies normally turn into unhelpful diatribes. If I never get back to you, please don't take that as any sort of criticism.)

[1] Strange association, but, it reminds me of that scene from... I forget the name. Ah, man. It's about aliens. They end up killing the big one at the end using Head & Shoulders, or something. I want to say that it was called Life, but I know that that's a different (and also good [2]) movie. Anyway, there's a scene in there where they're trying to remove an alien insect that's burrowed inside someone, and they're considering going in rectally with forceps, and I think one of the nurses mentions lubricant, and the doctor says something like, "There's no time for lubricant!", and the patient screams, "There's ALWAYS time for lubricant!" Haha. You get the idea. So, yeah, using that same tone of reproach mixed with near-hysterical appeal: "You ALWAYS have a choice!"

[2] I haven't seen that movie in like, 20 years, probably, but I still occasionally get the giggles over certain lines and how they were delivered. I think my favorite is that after-lights-out scene where the prisoners are fantasizing about a night spent at Ray's imagined club, called the "Boom Boom Room", and a frustrated guard with a flashlight comes in to shut down their banter, and says, "Now I don't wanna hear another PEEP about no fuckin' boom-boom room!" (I think there's also a nervous fart from one of the prisoners, and the guard says, "Shut your mouth and your fat ass, boy.") Heh. Hmm... I've got a really childish sense of humor, don't I?


When there's off-topic stuff in a post, like this one, I often feel as though I could use a BBCode construction to hide content, like the pair of tags I left here. For example, I probably would have used [hide-inline] on the bodies of both of the above footnotes. Maybe one day I'll see if I can improve that patch (to be clear, I don't know that there's anything wrong with it, but, theymos has a much more complete view of Bitcointalk than I do, and so I wouldn't at all be surprised to learn that he has identified an issue that requires more thinking on my part).

[joker_josue]

At the end, it analyzes the blockchain where it has all the transactions received at that address.

It's not as simple as that in all cases, JJ.

For example, there is no address-containing post from me in the ChipMixer campaign thread (because I applied by PM; and I know that I wasn't the only one to do that; and I know that people don't always retain copies of their PMs; and I know that DarkStar_ hasn't been online in ~2 years, and so, for now, they can't be asked to corroborate anything). Also, and more importantly, when I look at the spreadsheet, I see a decent amount of address "churn" (some of it probably privacy-related, and some of it SegWit-transition-related, and so on). Basically, I can see some scenarios where someone might legitimately need a bit of info from the spreadsheet to help them untangle things.

But as you said there is a private message with this (De did not delete it)

Anyway, I can't understand how this Excel file can help in the test. Because it does not add more than what already exists.

In fact, you can build your own explanatory file with this information. It's more work, but it's more personal and doesn't create other users' history.

Straight, everything is fine.