Cunningham law of software

[Ambatman]

"the best way to get the right answer on the internet is not to ask a question; it's to post the wrong answer"
This above is Cunningham law of software
That people are subconsciously moved to correct a mistake than answer a genuine question.
And I noticed that it's quite true especially Here on Bitcointalk
And it's not like I'm supporting trolling
But I have learnt quite alot of users that try to correct trolls
Lol Because they always try to explain it as simple as they could.


Noticed this too?


I'm also aware it's annoying and exhausting speaking with trolls

[_act_]

I did not notice this at all on this forum. If you are wrong, one or few of the established members will correct you. If your posts are constructive, you will even learn from them. It is the same if you ask question. Established members on this forum like to answer people's questions, even if the person is a newbie.

[Satofan44]

"the best way to get the right answer on the internet is not to ask a question; it's to post the wrong answer"
This above is Cunningham law of software
That people are subconsciously moved to correct a mistake than answer a genuine question.
And I noticed that it's quite true especially Here on Bitcointalk
And it's not like I'm supporting trolling
But I have learnt quite alot of users that try to correct trolls
Lol Because they always try to explain it as simple as they could.


Noticed this too?


I'm also aware it's annoying and exhausting speaking with trolls

True, but most users here are posting wrong answers not for the sake of getting a right answer but because they are shitposting and most often account farmers. They literally do not care about your "right answer" as they are not here to learn anything at all. Genuine people would use this strategy selectively, and even this may not be true in certain cases where technology is involved and there are stricter rules. If you often post as if you knew what you were talking about but you were full of shit, you would be swiftly removed as a nuisance and negative member for the well-run platform.

This is one of the many places where you are allowed to write whatever retarded thing you want as long as it mentions any words from the topic it will be considered "substantial".

[Mia Chloe]

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Yeah yeah it works because in most cases humans love to feed on criticism most times they don't really correct to put you on track rather they do so because it logically seems to put them at a better position of sorts than the mistaken. Well it then falls back to the person asking a question.

The forum is an open place and you can't expect everyone to treat you like a toddler or better that's the more reason you should focus on getting the correct information rather than paying attention to the criticism.

[Churchillvv]

I did not notice this at all on this forum. If you are wrong, one or few of the established members will correct you. If your posts are constructive, you will even learn from them. It is the same if you ask question. Established members on this forum like to answer people's questions, even if the person is a newbie.

I disagree with the bold word! Not only established members can correct you, this logic kinda makes it seem like other members who are not established can not correct you or give the right answer to a question, from my days in the forum I have come across a few newbies who are genuinely newbies but with high intelligence when it comes to the forum or bitcoin related issues, so if such member who is not established gives a correct from your perspective they are not in the right position to do so! However that’s the only point I disagree with, I prefer you say members not (established members).

[_act_]

I disagree with the bold word! Not only established members can correct you, this logic kinda makes it seem like other members who are not established can not correct you or give the right answer to a question, from my days in the forum I have come across a few newbies who are genuinely newbies but with high intelligence when it comes to the forum or bitcoin related issues, so if such member who is not established gives a correct from your perspective they are not in the right position to do so! However that’s the only point I disagree with, I prefer you say members not (established members).

Do not mind me, my post is based on what I have been experiencing on this forum. It is very possible some newbies are correcting you, but they have not been correcting me.

Members that I see as an established members on this forum are people that are highly intelligent in posting qualities. I do not think I will see a newbie to be highly intelligent because his intelligent and brilliant posts would have given him higher merits and higher ranks within a short period of time.

I still remember when Satofan44 was a member, you can easily know that he supposed to be an established member at the time because LoyceV and many other members will even see it that way. He is better than many legendary members on this forum in posting. There are many hero and legendary members that are not even established or not well established on this forum. To be an established member is not just about merit ranking. You can easily know some as their merits is far higher than their activity.

I just use Satofan44 as an example, he used bad trust history to reduce that for himself.

[MarryWithBTC]

"the best way to get the right answer on the internet is not to ask a question; it's to post the wrong answer"
This above is Cunningham law of software
That people are subconsciously moved to correct a mistake than answer a genuine question.
And I noticed that it's quite true especially Here on Bitcointalk
And it's not like I'm supporting trolling
But I have learnt quite alot of users that try to correct trolls
Lol Because they always try to explain it as simple as they could.


Noticed this too?


I'm also aware it's annoying and exhausting speaking with trolls

Is this not an off topic?

It would have been moved or deleted if created by a newbie.

[Ambatman]

Is this not an off topic?

It would have been moved or deleted if created by a newbie.

I'm curious why it is?
From my understanding
Meta is about the forum
And my question was on opinion on how a law reflect on our actions sometimes when responding to threads

If it is off topic I have no issue of it being moved there by a Mod
Doesn't really change anything since off topic is still a board in the forum.


And also it not been moved or deleted yet means a Mod hasn't seen the thread
Not because I'm not a newbie.

[Churchillvv]

Do not mind me, my post is based on what I have been experiencing on this forum. It is very possible some newbies are correcting you,

Lol, Don’t mind me? Anyways I understand the point you’re tryna make with the bold statement, however, as it should be everyone gets correction from anyone but the ego never allows them to accept being corrected. Even though they obviously worship superiority of others.

To be an established member is not just about ranks.

This also validates the point that anyone with any rank, but with intelligence can correct or send better message than others. It’s not rank or forum publicity but knowledge, even though at the end they might become known for the originality of their knowledge but in the context of this, anyone can be in the position to correct others not just Bitcointalk established members.

[alegotardo]

Noticed this too?

I've never done this, but I've see people making posts that do not make any sense, and so I think: are they really that so ignorant, or they are testing us?

The reactions are very diverse... most of people willing to correct politely and I think the most of their responses is genuine, with the very intention of helping. But I also see curt, ironic and even quite rude responses too.
But what catches my attention the most is when other people respond with comments even more misguided than the OP's... is it out of ignorance and a desire to participate of the discussion or is it out of an irony?

Anyway, I think that in this community, anything you ask will receive some good, honest and complete answers... you do not need to lie for someone to correct you, or am I so wrong?

[Pablo-wood]

To be an established member is not just about ranks.

This also validates the point that anyone with any rank, but with intelligence can correct or send better message than others. It’s not rank or forum publicity but knowledge, even though at the end they might become known for the originality of their knowledge but in the context of this, anyone can be in the position to correct others not just Bitcointalk established members.

This is very valid. Knowledge supersedes rank, in my view ranks are just proxy for post counts, activities and m**t, if a newbie is knowledgeable and has a factual base to make a correction then it is not out of place to sit back and learn. I believe the forum was created to share knowledge about Bitcoin and its underlying technology which can be explained by virtually anyone who has the right knowledge and is willing to share.

[Churchillvv]

To be an established member is not just about ranks.

This also validates the point that anyone with any rank, but with intelligence can correct or send better message than others. It’s not rank or forum publicity but knowledge, even though at the end they might become known for the originality of their knowledge but in the context of this, anyone can be in the position to correct others not just Bitcointalk established members.

This is very valid. Knowledge supersedes rank, in my view ranks are just proxy for post counts, activities and m**t, if a newbie is knowledgeable and has a factual base to make a correction then it is not out of place to sit back and learn. I believe the forum was created to share knowledge about Bitcoin and its underlying technology which can be explained by virtually anyone who has the right knowledge and is willing to share.

right but you must also know that not exactly how we see things that some members see it, some just want to limit the ability to be a good member to be based on rank or a circle. So if you don’t belong then you’re not knowledgeable but however, as long as I am concerned anyone can teach me and I will learn, even if you just created an account and can teach me something in cryptography that I have never learnt before I give you the opportunity to be my teacher not based on what rank the community puts on you. I see some accounts that just post once in a while but they have quality post but are not the forum active members so such people I like to see them pass knowledge down.

[Majestic-milf]

Do not mind me, my post is based on what I have been experiencing on this forum. It is very possible some newbies are correcting you, but they have not been correcting me.

I feel the reason most newbies rarely correct higher ranking members is that most of them don't have the confidence in themselves or they don't really have much knowledge of the discussion at hand. Also it's easier to overlook a correction given by a lower ranking user because they may not be on the same level or "understanding" as you. Most times, newbies just want to make posts and in their zeal to feel among, they just make the first thread that comes to mind without thinking or making much research
h on it so that's why they're often ignored, although it's not all newbies that experience this.

[Btcdeybodi]

"the best way to get the right answer on the internet is not to ask a question; it's to post the wrong answer"

This is true because when you ask a question, anyone can answer it whether the answer is wrong or right but when you post a wrong answer, only those who knows that it is a wrong answer will correct it and give you the right answer.

Members that I see as an established members on this forum are people that are highly intelligent in posting qualities. I do not think I will see a newbie to be highly intelligent because his intelligent and brilliant posts would have given him higher merits and higher ranks within a short period of time.

Your explanation of what being an established member mean is wrong. Being an established member has nothing to do with your level of intelligence. Being an established member has to do with someone with good reputation in the forum regardless if you're a high rank or not.

I still remember when Satofan44 was a member, you can easily know that he supposed to be an established member at the time because LoyceV and many other members will even see it that way. He is better than many legendary members on this forum in posting. There are many hero and legendary members that are not even established or not well established on this forum. To be an established member is not just about merit ranking. You can easily know some as their merits is far higher than their activity.

I just use Satofan44 as an example, he used bad trust history to reduce that for himself.

This is a wrong example anyway. The user you mentioned is knowledgeable but he's not accorded any respect and reputation as a result of his behavior towards some 'reputable' members (that he doesn't agree with) in the forum. Therefore, we can't use him as an example of an 'established member' IMO.

[Abelly]

I did not notice this at all on this forum. If you are wrong, one or few of the established members will correct you. If your posts are constructive, you will even learn from them. It is the same if you ask question. Established members on this forum like to answer people's questions, even if the person is a newbie.

I disagree with the bold word! Not only established members can correct you, this logic kinda makes it seem like other members who are not established can not correct you or give the right answer to a question, from my days in the forum I have come across a few newbies who are genuinely newbies but with high intelligence when it comes to the forum or bitcoin related issues, so if such member who is not established gives a correct from your perspective they are not in the right position to do so! However that’s the only point I disagree with, I prefer you say members not (established members).

The idea that only established members can correct someone because they have a very good understanding of economics or technical issues can send the wrong message. I have seen many new members on the forum who, although relatively new, have a very good understanding of Bitcoin, economics, or technical issues. The idea that only established members can correct someone is wrong. If a new or unestablished member presents accurate information and strong arguments, then his or her statement should be given equal weight.The value of accurate information Should be judged by the truthfulness of the information, not by the rank of the speaker. Therefore, Using the word member instead of established member will make the statement more inclusive and fair.

[Churchillvv]

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The idea that only established members can correct someone because they have a very good understanding of economics or technical issues can send the wrong message. I have seen many new members on the forum who, although relatively new, have a very good understanding of Bitcoin, economics, or technical issues. The idea that only established members can correct someone is wrong. If a new or unestablished member presents accurate information and strong arguments, then his or her statement should be given equal weight.The value of accurate information Should be judged by the truthfulness of the information, not by the rank of the speaker. Therefore, Using the word member instead of established member will make the statement more inclusive and fair.

I personally do not like the idea of going back and forth with this debate but however, one thing you Abelly must know is that, whoever has a level of good information in the forum regardless of the rank is always moving fast to becoming an established member in the definition of _act_ because they do get a lot of merit over time based on the quality posting or knowledge being passed but logically thinking and based on the activity and merit count of the forum most times, good posters remain in lower rank over years because of how many post count they have, hence it defies the idea which _act_ was trying to push. So established or not established be a good poster that’s all that matters.

[KingsDen]

"the best way to get the right answer on the internet is not to ask a question; it's to post the wrong answer"
This above is Cunningham law of software
That people are subconsciously moved to correct a mistake than answer a genuine question.
And I noticed that it's quite true especially Here on Bitcointalk
And it's not like I'm supporting trolling
But I have learnt quite alot of users that try to correct trolls
Lol Because they always try to explain it as simple as they could.


Noticed this too?


I'm also aware it's annoying and exhausting speaking with trolls

This works really well with content creators. This is the strategy they use to farm engagements. I haven't noticed that here in the forum or I haven't been attentive enough.
Content creators deliberately makes obvious mistakes and humans, especially the "I took knows" are wired to make those unignoreable corrections. By so doing, controversy would be created and generate a lot of engagements.

Op, if you can send me a link to such a thread through pm, I would like to read and learn.

[Amphenomenon]

This is one of the many places where you are allowed to write whatever retarded thing you want as long as it mentions any words from the topic it will be considered "substantial".

This is not necessarily the case, sometimes these posts can be deleted especially when there are more recent threads about it and having something similar.

The reasons some of these are left because in such thread there are also post(s) making correction(s) to such post(s) and if it's deleted, it was reduce chance of enlightening others since some might even share a similar wrong point(s).

[Mpamaegbu]

Members that I see as an established members on this forum are people that are highly intelligent in posting qualities. I do not think I will see a newbie to be highly intelligent because his intelligent and brilliant posts would have given him higher merits and higher ranks within a short period of time.

That inference in itself is faulty. By what parameter do you measure someone's level of intelligence? That someone is technically sound and savvy doesn't mean they're more intelligent than those who aren't. That someone is a newbie doesn't also mean they're daft. We've seen brilliant newbies here and they were able to distinguish themselves quickly because of their technical knowledge and earned lots of merits for their posts. We've also seen sound and intelligent newbies who aren't technically savvy but are sagacious in their comments but don't earn merits for such. We won't say they aren't doing fantastically well. I've seen in other posts where people are judged that way here because they post in technical board and all that. That's not a true measure of intelligence. If that's your parameter, then you're wrong too. If you also consider ranks, then you're equally wrong again.

It would have been moved or deleted if created by a newbie.

You see? That's the same hegemony we often talk about here when certain decisions are taken based on who the poster is or what rank they've. It's wrong. However, I don't see anything wrong with the topic; to be frank.

And also it not been moved or deleted yet means a Mod hasn't seen the thread
Not because I'm not a newbie.

Whether newbie or not, I don't see anything wrong with your topic that should warrant it being deleted. The worst that can happen to the topic will be to move it, not delete it.