Theymos - where are my PMs?

[Vod]

I sent you a PM a couple days ago about some missing PMs.  You answered that question.

Today while creating my affidavit, I was looking for the PMs I captured in 2020.  

I can only find 37/76 in my inbox - I am missing 39 pms received from a user.
I can only find 38/106 in my outbox - I am missing 68 pms sent to the same user.

From the August 2020 PM export:

Direction	Count
Received FROM *	76
Sent TO *	106
Total involving *	182

I know I did not delete them, and the other user swore he didn't, so what happened to them?  If you want to discuss privately, I can.

[theymos]

Overwhelmingly the most likely is that you just deleted them and forgot.

The next most likely is that your account was hacked by someone who wanted to delete them. I could give you your geolocation logs going back 6 years if you wanted to look into that.

There's less than a 1% probability of some forum issue. Nobody else is reporting missing PMs, and this is not an area that is touched by many people/systems.

PMs are permanently deleted from the database (and from all backups after ~6 months) when the sender and all recipients delete them. Note that the "save a copy in my outbox" option is off by default, which makes it more likely that senders "delete" their outgoing PMs. If the sender or one recipient didn't delete them, then they'll still be in the database, and I could still undelete them on request.

[icopress]

I could give you your geolocation logs going back 6 years if you wanted to look into that.

Do you store this data for 6 years only in cases where the user has not adjusted personal settings?

You can also enable limited retention in your settings if you consider your IP logs to be very sensitive, [...]

[tbct_mt2]

I could give you your geolocation logs going back 6 years if you wanted to look into that.

Do you store this data for 6 years only in cases where the user has not adjusted personal settings?

It's an old topic: Retention/ privacy info.

It is described at https://bitcointalk.org/privacy.php and 6-year storage of city geolocation is with normal retention in user's privacy setting. If user chose Limited retention, the storage time reduced to only 3 months.

IP address retention works in this way:
Thing   Normal retention   Limited retention   Retention for guests
Full IP   6 months   3 months   A few weeks
Partial IP   2 years   N/A   N/A
City geolocation   6 years   3 months   N/A

You can opt into limited retention in your account settings. This will apply only to logs created after you change the setting, and doing so will make it much more difficult for you to recover your account if it is ever lost.

[mindrust]

Overwhelmingly the most likely is that you just deleted them and forgot.

The next most likely is that your account was hacked by someone who wanted to delete them. I could give you your geolocation logs going back 6 years if you wanted to look into that.

There's less than a 1% probability of some forum issue. Nobody else is reporting missing PMs, and this is not an area that is touched by many people/systems.

PMs are permanently deleted from the database (and from all backups after ~6 months) when the sender and all recipients delete them. Note that the "save a copy in my outbox" option is off by default, which makes it more likely that senders "delete" their outgoing PMs. If the sender or one recipient didn't delete them, then they'll still be in the database, and I could still undelete them on request.

Oooor...

We go by MY theory.

Which is the ugliest theory of all

You thermos entered Mr. Vod's account and deleted the PM's because your buttbuddy OG was in trouble.

That's as far as I got how am I doin?



Yo, Don't anybody dare to take that post seriously.

[The Cryptovator]

PMs are permanently deleted from the database (and from all backups after ~6 months) when the sender and all recipients delete them. Note that the "save a copy in my outbox" option is off by default, which makes it more likely that senders "delete" their outgoing PMs. If the sender or one recipient didn't delete them, then they'll still be in the database, and I could still undelete them on request.

Don't you have data that the PM had been deleted by users, the sender, or the receiver? PM won't be lost automatically if it's not deleted by default or by users/admins. I mean, it's fine if someone deleted the PM, but forum logs should be available to show the data of how it was deleted. Although this is not a serious issue, having forum logs would help in such a situation. You can simply answer perfectly how it was deleted.

[Vod]

Overwhelmingly the most likely is that you just deleted them and forgot.

Theymos, I haven't deleted a single PM.    My account was never hacked.  Those PMs were there a week ago.

I could give you your geolocation logs going back 6 years if you wanted to look into that.

Actually, my lawyer will probably get a warrant for that database and backups so we can look ourselves.  You are no longer trustworthy.

Although this is not a serious issue, having forum logs would help in such a situation.

It's very serious, he needs those logs.   How much you want to bet Theymos will play Trump?

Statute	Conduct	Maximum Penalty
18 U.S.C. § 1519	Knowingly altering, destroying, mutilating, concealing, or falsifying any record, document, or tangible object with intent to impede, obstruct, or influence a federal investigation or bankruptcy proceeding.	Up to 20 years imprisonment, fines, or both.
18 U.S.C. § 1512(c)	Corruptly altering, destroying, mutilating, or concealing a record, document, or other object with intent to impair its integrity or availability for use in an official proceeding.	Up to 20 years imprisonment.
18 U.S.C. § 1503	Corruptly endeavoring to influence, obstruct, or impede a pending federal judicial proceeding (the "Omnibus Clause").	Up to 10 years imprisonment.

[OgNasty]

Oooor...

We go by MY theory.

Which is the ugliest theory of all

You thermos entered Mr. Vod's account and deleted the PM's because your buttbuddy OG was in trouble.

That's as far as I got how am I doin?



Yo, Don't anybody dare to take that post seriously.

Which one am I?

[Vod]

Which one am I?

You would be the one defending your thousands of edits after being served.  18 U.S.C. § 1512(c)
https://nastyfans.org/mint

Overwhelmingly the most likely is that you just deleted them and forgot.

I understand your reasoning now.   I'm mentally ill, unable to remember things I did a few days ago.  

Theymos - are you looking into the logs to see what happened to the PMs?  Would it help if I produced a list of PM subjects and dates that were deleted?

[Mia Chloe]

~snip.

Initially I was thinking there would be some sorts of archive on your end for all deleted pms probably encrypted if possible I'm guessing it won't take much space because most of it should be texts actually.

~snip

Based on what Theymos has said, is there a chance you can reach out to the user to forward those PMs to you once again because from your explanation it seems it happened to just one users PM.

Do you store this data for 6 years only in cases where the user has not adjusted personal settings?

I'm not sure it's within a limited time span. I'm guessing the forum has it like a historic log for all users. However on our end we are only exposed to seeing just  the last 30 days.

[Ambatman]

Okay had to go check my Pms and they seem intact not that I have anything impressive there.
And from what Theymos stated since you said you saw it a week ago
There's a possibility to undelete it as its within the 6 months mark.

[Mia Chloe]

Okay had to go check my Pms and they seem intact not that I have anything impressive there.
And from what Theymos stated since you said you saw it a week ago
There's a possibility to undelete it as its within the 6 months mark.

I'm guessing Vod should be talking a couple years not months. Plus if he had a couple other PM's sent to some other users within that same period and suddenly all sent to a particular user is missing they Theymos' theory of a hack case might just be it. As far as I can remember they don't auto delete by default.

Also I just got to think of vod has been making use of tor all this while, how would you be able to differentiate if his account was hacked via the IP log history?

[nutildah]

I'm surprised that Canadian courts have any jurisdiction at all over Americans in civil matters. It seems participation is entirely voluntary.

Actually, my lawyer will probably get a warrant for that database and backups so we can look ourselves. 

No, he won't.

Theymos is within his rights to ban you today if he wanted. You exist here because of his good grace -- all of us do.

Yo, Don't anybody dare to take that post seriously.

I laughed. We all need a good laugh sometimes.