Degen.com Confiscated My Winnings

[MaxTher]

What happened:: I created an account on Degen.com and deposited funds using USDT (ERC20). I only placed regular bets on major League of Legends tournaments, mainly the MSI, using common markets such as total kills and match winner.

After winning several bets, When i try to withdraw Degen.com liquidated all of my winnings, claiming "sports betting abuse." They have not provided any evidence or a specific explanation of what I supposedly did wrong. Instead, they only quoted generic sections of their Terms of Service related to fraud, arbitrage, and betting abuse.

I have never used bots, arbitrage, or any unfair betting strategy.  https://imgur.com/a/vwKXfVt These are the bets I placed.


Scammers Profile Link: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=3742927 

Reference Link: 
Amount Scammed: 117 USDT
Payment Method: USDT (ERC20)
Proof of Payment: https://etherscan.io/tx/0xa741552711c4753ed3b64a385ae0171b0424870b0b319d3ddd6f9a21f585217a, https://etherscan.io/tx/0xeaa9fd917d7a1aaa59c459b03bc6b6a41696519fbe1b5f6003e7fa539ca9974a, https://etherscan.io/tx/0x5372ff4d28e03a2376b3f274eaba15c07ee76f03b42a2c5a9f004d85658d8d1d 
PM/Chat Logs: https://pastebin.com/jZBMZY9r
Additional Notes: 

[logfiles]

You should have used other much friendlier image hosting websites like;
1. https://talkimg.com/
2. https://bitlist.co/upload
Imgur gives users of Tor browser and VPNs hard time.

This is the kind of case that is so hard to get resolved here, and you might need to use arbitration from a third party service. They are obviously not going to share all the specifics of their investigation to the public.

[rohang]

As an avid Esports bettor myself i can confirm there is nothing suspicious about those 6 bets

They are all on Tier 1 League of legends tournament with the biggest teams where there is no chance if any fixing etc

Degen representative is pretty active here so i hope they can check and respond

Unless u had more beta you did not show or a multi account, this shouldnt have happened

[Cointxz]

As an avid Esports bettor myself i can confirm there is nothing suspicious about those 6 bets

They are all on Tier 1 League of legends tournament with the biggest teams where there is no chance if any fixing etc

Degen representative is pretty active here so i hope they can check and respond

Unless u had more beta you did not show or a multi account, this shouldnt have happened

This user has same pattern of having sports betting issue if you will check his post history https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5584440.msg66781176#msg66781176.

Normally, I will give a benefit of the doubt on this case but for someone experiencing the same issue on different casino with same games then I believe there’s something wrong on this user betting pattern.

There’s no issue on the bet per se. I think it’s on the strategy he is using.

[Warkop]

As an avid Esports bettor myself i can confirm there is nothing suspicious about those 6 bets

They are all on Tier 1 League of legends tournament with the biggest teams where there is no chance if any fixing etc

Degen representative is pretty active here so i hope they can check and respond

Unless u had more beta you did not show or a multi account, this shouldnt have happened

This user has same pattern of having sports betting issue if you will check his post history https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5584440.msg66781176#msg66781176.

Normally, I will give a benefit of the doubt on this case but for someone experiencing the same issue on different casino with same games then I believe there’s something wrong on this user betting pattern.

There’s no issue on the bet per se. I think it’s on the strategy he is using.

Will this problem be a baseless accusation with some evidence of transactions, even though there are no screenshots in this case, is the evidence strong enough to win him in this case, it could also be that the strategy he used made his bet become like that.

[rohang]

PM logs says his account has been locked by betby, so maybe its because of some other actions done on another sportsbook

Almost every site uses betby nowadays so very difficult to get away from pulling an abuse on one site and then simply switching to another site

I sided with OP in beginning but after seeing the char log more closely, there must be something OP has done and its not the bets shown in the screenshot

[MaxTher]

https://imgur.com/a/MdS85zc That's new, cant win money

[The Cryptovator]

What happened:: I created an account on Degen.com and deposited funds using USDT (ERC20). I only placed regular bets on major League of Legends tournaments, mainly the MSI, using common markets such as total kills and match winner.

After winning several bets, When i try to withdraw Degen.com liquidated all of my winnings, claiming "sports betting abuse." They have not provided any evidence or a specific explanation of what I supposedly did wrong. Instead, they only quoted generic sections of their Terms of Service related to fraud, arbitrage, and betting abuse.

Are you sure you haven't abused their system? They seem to show reason, as you wrote above, "sports betting abuse." They usually don't provide evidence after flagging an account, and they might not provide any evidence on this thread as well. They only cooperate with mediators, but a few mediators don't accept sports betting complaints.

However, I have asked questions about these allegations on their announcement thread. They seem pretty active there, and I have asked to come here to respond to your allegation. Hopefully they will come here when they notice my reply there. So you may wait a couple of days to respond here and look for mediators who allow sports betting complaints.

[Mahdirakib]

That's new, cant win money

Your account was closed in a different sportsbook with the same odds provider one month ago. But you are still placing bets on other sportsbook with the same odds provider and the same eSports event. The support team has said the reason for taking such steps above. I think it would be best for you to stop placing bets with the strategy you are using.

If you strongly believe that their claim is wrong, then you may submit a complaint at ContestHunters.

[degencom]

Hi all, thanks for the tag, happy to give our side here.

Over the past few weeks we've seen a wave of newly created accounts following the same cycle: deposit, place a specific pattern of sports bets, withdraw, and repeat. We flagged this activity to our sportsbook provider, who reviewed the accounts involved and identified the OP's account as part of this pattern of sportsbook abuse.

We understand it's frustrating not to get a detailed breakdown, but we can't publicly share the specifics of how this type of activity is detected, as doing so would only make it easier to repeat. What we can share are the numbers:

- Only the winnings from the flagged activity were confiscated, which was $108, not the player's deposits.
- In total, the OP deposited $358.50 and withdrew $468.36, meaning they left Degen in overall profit despite the confiscation.

Our goal isn't to punish anyone, it's to stop abuse from continuing. We never want to get in the way of players genuinely enjoying Degen, but once our provider flags an account, we have to act.

The OP is welcome to reach out to our support team if they'd like to discuss their account further.

[PX-Z]

... I think it would be best for you to stop placing bets with the strategy you are using.

That's a bold statement, the OP is mainly using LOL for bets based on here and the other thread he made. And based on the last screenshot chat log "The system had you had only consistently bet on weak lines", "Which is agaisnt the rules" those statement doesn't make sense.
They should not list those games/matches if they don't want users to win consistently using those matches. Because obviously if you always watch and analyze the game you eventually know what teams are weak, just based on that, you can easily bet who will win. But then again, it's agaisnt the rules?

[yahoo62278]

... I think it would be best for you to stop placing bets with the strategy you are using.

That's a bold statement, the OP is mainly using LOL for bets based on here and the other thread he made. And based on the last screenshot chat log "The system had you had only consistently bet on weak lines", "Which is agaisnt the rules" those statement doesn't make sense.
They should not list those games/matches if they don't want users to win consistently using those matches. Because obviously if you always watch and analyze the game you eventually know what teams are weak, just based on that, you can easily bet who will win. But then again, it's agaisnt the rules?

They may as well come out and say we only allow losing bettors to play here if this explanation is legit. I don't love casinos being able to just say whatever and we gotta deal with it, honestly.

[Mahdirakib]

~ They should not list those games/matches if they don't want users to win consistently using those matches. Because obviously if you always watch and analyze the game you eventually know what teams are weak, just based on that, you can easily bet who will win. But then again, it's agaisnt the rules?

Actually, they were referring to value betting with that statement. The odds provider occasionally gives higher odds to weak lines than it should be by mistake. Some users search for those specific matches everywhere to take the benefits of mistakenly listed odds. Sportsbook only takes steps in such situations if the player always places bets on such mistakenly listed odds.