Gambling Discussion has been ruined — action is needed

[khatarnak]

I came back here after a few years .
Almost 90% of my posts are from gambling board, so this is not an opinion based on reading a few random threads.

Gambling board is not what it used to be.

Years ago, Gambling Discussion was one of the best places on the internet for people interested in betting.
There were users here who actually knew what they were talking about.
People discussed strategies and their own personal experiences.

A lot of us were not even posting back then. We were just reading because there was real knowledge there.

Now the board has become a place where everyone can jump into any topic and give an opinion, even when they have zero interest in betting.

You open a betting thread and you see replies like :

"I'm not really into gambling"
or long explanations about why betting is bad/impossible.
why are you posting it in a thread where people are discussing betting?

Nobody is forcing anyone to bet.
If you don't like gambling, just stay away from it.
But turning every betting discussion into a debate about whether gambling is good or bad is ruining the purpose of this section.

Yes, betting has risk.
Yes, nobody has a guaranteed winning method.
Everyone who actually bets knows this.

But there is a huge difference between a person randomly gambling and someone who spends time studying odds, analyzing games and trying to find value.

The worst thing is that many of the old users who actually knew about betting are not posting anymore.
Reason is simple: every serious discussion gets filled with random comments.


This board used to be a place where people came to learn. Now many serious discussions are becoming the same repeated arguments over and over again.

Something needs to change. More self-moderated threads, better control over low-effort replies, or whatever solution works.

If nothing changes, this section will keep losing the users who actually bring value to it.

[Free Market Capitalist]

Oh yeah! Action is needed to ban all of you who talk about "gambling" like that.

But there is a huge difference between a person randomly gambling and someone who spends time studying odds, analyzing games and trying to find value.

Explain what "value" you find in "gambling". 95% of the threads started there make the same mistake you're making, and yet here you are, acting all smart and making the same basic mistake.

[Mahiyammahi]

But there is a huge difference between a person randomly gambling and someone who spends time studying odds, analyzing games and trying to find value.

Explain what "value" you find in "gambling". 95% of the threads started there make the same mistake you're making, and yet here you are, acting all smart and making the same basic mistake.

Lol, didn't think this was coming , I thought someone just stood up for this. But it looks like this allegation came from the same types of person. This guy has so much experience, yet he is still doing AI recommendations for betting.
I saw Yahoo alwasy roast these gambling section threads spam post by replying savage way. I kinda liked it .


There are tons  of topics that are just useless; most of them are about gambling addiction. If you dont find them pleasent you can just ignore them , if you also find that a certain user has zeero knowledge/contribution on gambling still posting shit on forum you simply can just ignore and report them to moderator . You can also create your own self-moderated topic on the gambling section if you think your desire is not fulfilled by other members. You willl always find some users who might be interested enough on gambling may appear on your topic.

[Daniel91]

I agree with you that we have a lower quality of discussion in the Gambling section but that is for obvious reasons, because many members have to fulfill their obligations from signature campaigns.
However, the Gambling section is not just about betting, that is a simplification of the whole story. I personally participate in several competitions related to the World Cup in football and in the Gambling section we have very high quality discussions about it even though we do not bet directly with external companies but compete with each other.
Also, there are experienced members who discuss competitions in national leagues and competitions like the Champions League and it is always interesting to read and hear the opinions of others.
Honestly, there are also many members who participate in such discussions who are just fulfilling their obligations from signature campaigns but after so many years I can already recognize that and focus only on threads and members from whom I can gain or learn something.
I simply ignore and skip everything else in that section because it is tiring to read and follow.
Can something be done about the low quality of discussion in the Gambling section? I honestly don't see what the admins can do about it.

[hilariousandco]

Something needs to change. More self-moderated threads, better control over low-effort replies, or whatever solution works.

If nothing changes, this section will keep losing the users who actually bring value to it.

Feel free to create your own self-modded thread and mod them how you see fit. The biggest issue is it's not really a gambling sub any more, but rather a sports discussion one as there's only so much you can talk about relating to gambling and hence why you get copious amounts of threads that are vaguely about or related to Gambling: "Do you gamble at work", do you parents know you gamble",
"do you gamble whilst constipated on the toilet" etc etc. Most of those ones should be trashed.

[PostQuantumBTC]

If nothing changes, this section will keep losing the users who actually bring value to it.

If you want changes on the gambling board, start to PM campaign managers that they should not make the posts on gambling board compulsory. Gambling board is full of spam and repeated posts but there is one thing a newbie can learn from there that I noticed which is about avoiding gambling addiction which is good.

Hope you are no more using AI to post?

If you are talking about losing users which begin value to the gambling boards, I think they are all still there. Some stayed in some threads which you may think is hidden and sending merit there. I can mention many of their usernames but I do not think there is any need for it. I am referring to those that have high numbers of merits.

[libert19]

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"do you gamble whilst constipated on the toilet" etc etc. Most of those ones should be trashed.

I disagree there. This one should deffo not be thrashed, because you are constipated, and bored af waiting to relieve yourself, gambling is best frickin thing you can do while waiting for act to finish.

[stompix]

you get copious amounts of threads that are vaguely about or related to Gambling: "Do you gamble at work", do you parents know you gamble",  "do you gamble whilst constipated on the toilet" etc etc. Most of those ones should be trashed.

So.....why are they not?  

Anyhow, how about we get another board in the off-topic sections labelled "Sports" and all the fan talk and gossip about players go there, and we only have topics strictly about gambling in the section?

[libert19]

you get copious amounts of threads that are vaguely about or related to Gambling: "Do you gamble at work", do you parents know you gamble",  "do you gamble whilst constipated on the toilet" etc etc. Most of those ones should be trashed.

So.....why are they not?  

Anyhow, how about we get another board in the off-topic sections labelled "Sports" and all the fan talk and gossip about players go there, and we only have topics strictly about gambling in the section?

Disagreed. Sports threads are the only good thing about gambling discussion board, most other topics (excluding recent gambling news) are redundant as fuck; removing sports from gambling will just make it even more redundant than it already is.

Personally, I don't feel sports to be 'out of place' in first place.

[hilariousandco]

you get copious amounts of threads that are vaguely about or related to Gambling: "Do you gamble at work", do you parents know you gamble",  "do you gamble whilst constipated on the toilet" etc etc. Most of those ones should be trashed.

So.....why are they not?  

Anyhow, how about we get another board in the off-topic sections labelled "Sports" and all the fan talk and gossip about players go there, and we only have topics strictly about gambling in the section?

If they're reported then they're usually dealt with. I and others have suggested a Sports sub would be more appropriate but with it being a sub in off topic it probably wouldn't get much attention anyway.

[stompix]

If they're reported then they're usually dealt with. I and others have suggested a Sports sub would be more appropriate but with it being a sub in off topic it probably wouldn't get much attention anyway.

Oh yeah, I know that too well!
I reported topics, they got moved to the P&S since there was nothing about gambling in them, and from 40 posts in a day it went to 1 in a week.

But I don't get this as an argument, if people will stop talking about sports cause they are not paid for doing so, and this is the only incentive, then we should more so get rid of it. If the gambling board will on life support because of people talking about sports they don't even understand would stop, we have a different problem then. Of course we have a problem now, too:

What Union barikin did to Girona was so surprising, the result was really a shock to me. Because Union Berlin is not in a good performance compare to what Gurin performance looks like, I expected Girona to win the match even they will not score many goals, but ended up giving union Berlin the opportunity. I believe after this match it’s another motivation for union Berlin in their coming match, this will boost their confidence in winning the match.

I always said, this must be the pinnacle of evolution for a post in the gambling section!
And in advance, sorry to everyone I made read the quote above, if the pain in the frontal lobe doesn't subside in 24h, seek professional help.

[katanic97]

I agree with you that we have a lower quality of discussion in the Gambling section but that is for obvious reasons, because many members have to fulfill their obligations from signature campaigns.
However, the Gambling section is not just about betting, that is a simplification of the whole story. I personally participate in several competitions related to the World Cup in football and in the Gambling section we have very high quality discussions about it even though we do not bet directly with external companies but compete with each other.
Also, there are experienced members who discuss competitions in national leagues and competitions like the Champions League and it is always interesting to read and hear the opinions of others.
Honestly, there are also many members who participate in such discussions who are just fulfilling their obligations from signature campaigns but after so many years I can already recognize that and focus only on threads and members from whom I can gain or learn something.
I simply ignore and skip everything else in that section because it is tiring to read and follow.
Can something be done about the low quality of discussion in the Gambling section? I honestly don't see what the admins can do about it.

Exactly. Competitions are very common in the gambling section. I've also taken part in several of them, and overall i've read plenty of high quality posts there.The OP has to understand that, as you said, signature campaigns and members who are simply trying to meet their posting quotas have become much more common. But nobody is forcing us to read those posts.I still believe there's a lot worth reading and learning from in the gambling section.

[nutildah]

Feel free to create your own self-modded thread and mod them how you see fit. The biggest issue is it's not really a gambling sub any more, but rather a sports discussion one as there's only so much you can talk about relating to gambling and hence why you get copious amounts of threads that are vaguely about or related to Gambling

Respectfully, I don't believe its even for sports discussion anymore; its for signature campaigners to stamp their signatures to help SEO for casinos. Its being done under the guise of sports discussion. Nobody reads these posts. Nobody pretends to read these posts.

If they're reported then they're usually dealt with.

Also respectfully, the burden shouldn't be on us to report every spam post in Gambling. Especially because we don't have any significant motivation to do so, unless you really get a thrill from adding one more "Good" report to your total.

[[btc]]

"do you gamble whilst constipated on the toilet"

Lord give me the strength to not make this topic.
The best discussion when it comes to gambling, IMO, is anything centered around math, numbers, game theory, etc. Now, I'm not talking about some lame ass martingale-level math toddler stuff, but the kind of math and statistical thinking that will put hairs on the chest. A good example would be something along the lines of discussing dynamic programming in Blackjack. Unfortunately, not many people enjoy discussing math, and it reflects pretty well in how poorly the majority of the general population is at managing finances. It's easier to talk about the philosophy, ethics/morals, and behavior/psychology of gambling than it is to talk about the fun stuff, because naturally, it's what most people can relate to, ergo - "why do I always lose while gambling, even thought my horsecope predicated otherwise" threads happen.

[khatarnak]

Hope you are no more using AI to post?

If you are talking about losing users which begin value to the gambling boards, I think they are all still there.

How can you confidently post this kind of nonsense in a thread about the old days of Bitcointalk when your account is only 9 months old?

I was posting here long before AI existed, and long before you even knew what Bitcoin was or that Bitcointalk existed.

This guy has so much experience, yet he is still doing AI recommendations for betting.

You can laugh as much as you want.
The funny thing is the free prompt I shared was tested and showed around 20% ROI.

Feel free to create your own self-modded thread and mod them how you see fit.

Making a self-moderated thread seems like an idea  but there are so many new threads popping up every day. Even if a thread is really good it will still get moved to the pages after a while and nobody will look at it anymore.

The problem is not that there are no good discussions. The problem is that there is too much noise around them.

[Cointxz]

You can’t force user to stop creating different topic which is not your preference although I do relate to your sentiment here as I notice to the sudden shift of gambling discussion from gambling strategies to objective topics.

Self moderation is the right answer here as suggested by the mods. The only problem is you will receive less response which result to your topic being flooded immediately by other thread especially from sports discussion.

You can start creating those thread and see how users will response.

[LTU_btc]

I agree with you that we have a lower quality of discussion in the Gambling section but that is for obvious reasons, because many members have to fulfill their obligations from signature campaigns.
However, the Gambling section is not just about betting, that is a simplification of the whole story. I personally participate in several competitions related to the World Cup in football and in the Gambling section we have very high quality discussions about it even though we do not bet directly with external companies but compete with each other.
Also, there are experienced members who discuss competitions in national leagues and competitions like the Champions League and it is always interesting to read and hear the opinions of others.
Honestly, there are also many members who participate in such discussions who are just fulfilling their obligations from signature campaigns but after so many years I can already recognize that and focus only on threads and members from whom I can gain or learn something.
I simply ignore and skip everything else in that section because it is tiring to read and follow.
Can something be done about the low quality of discussion in the Gambling section? I honestly don't see what the admins can do about it.

Yeah, sports discussion topics is only thing what has some quality there. Not ''Do you gamble before sex'' or ''Do you teach your children how to gamble'' kind of topics. IMO, such kind of topics should go to trashcan immediately.
But problems begins when people who have no idea about sports start posting for their campaign quota. Then we havespam megathreads, duplicate topics and AI shit.

Respectfully, I don't believe its even for sports discussion anymore; its for signature campaigners to stamp their signatures to help SEO for casinos. Its being done under the guise of sports discussion. Nobody reads these posts. Nobody pretends to read these posts.

Your partially right. But you still can fight quality in topics of paid competitions where only people who have paid are allowed to post. Or topics about not such mainstream sports/leagues, it attracts less spammers and you can have genuine discussion.