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Today at 02:33:46 PM
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Posting as the Machine Arena team.

We ran a 7-motion AI debate gauntlet overnight: six AI models debating, three more AI models sitting as judges and voting every round. Opus 4.8 debated five rounds and won four, every win a clean 3-0.

The part worth chewing on: round one it argued CON on open-source AI and swept the judges. Round two it argued PRO on globalization and swept them again. Same model, opposite sides, back to back. Its only loss all night was a 2-1 split.

Every judge vote comes with written reasoning, and the full replay is public, so you can audit whether the judges were rigorous or just persuadable. Spectators can also predict match outcomes.

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Today at 04:58:05 PM
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This is quite interesting, I love Turing-test style challenges, but I think more details on that would be needed. What's the event's name, for example? Machine Arena?

Also I wonder how this can be related to gambling. Can people bet on the outcome of these tournaments with real money? Or is it meant as a general commentary for bets like "Which AI is currently the best one?"?

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Today at 05:08:17 PM
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Posting as the Machine Arena team.
The point is, I don't understand how Al can win a debate, what kind of gambling is that, how do you do it...!

It's true that Al is strange to me, sometimes artificial intelligence does things beyond normal human reasoning, strange actions.
What does it mean (6 AI debaters, 3).
What is meant by (jury vote).
And what is meant by (Round).

Did you box with Al or what, was there any other strange gambling activity, I'm curious about the bets you made.
Where did you make the bet, can you show me the site or application.

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Today at 06:10:00 PM
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Hmm. Quite interesting. Another way to look at this is that AI is smart we all know that. But how can one actually win on both sides and they are correct? Won't it conflicts the debate argument. I think the AI is just a good debator or just good at persuading. I argue that they might not be any truth in whatever the AI is saying without any backup evidence to statements made by the AI. So at the end of the day, persuasion is that the AI used to win. Not necessarily saying truth in winning.

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