Can we look into inspace feedback activities and his quick red tag to degencom?

[hugeblack]

He was first to give negative tag to BC.Game (not saying BC eventually showed their true skin) when BC taken over from the first manager to second manager. BC had soleved and unsolved accusations since 2023 by the way.

So two cases? That's not enough to confirm these claims, especially since @inspace doesn't send much negative trust or misuse his DT. If there isn't additional evidence, it's best to lock this topic.

If you'd like to hire me, I'd be happy to be your assistant and manage even more weekly events.

Honestly, I hope this happens. If cooperation between you increases, such issues will decrease.

[Swordsoffreedom]

Have you seen what they've posted since the scam accusation is posted? All I see is "promotional spam": copy/pasting the same post with a few words different, and not a single substantive response to the accusation. That's not someone who's here to "engage with people".

They are new to forum, they only joined last month. It's entirely possible they aren't familiar with how scam accusation threads or red trust work yet.

The victim could have sent the forum representative a direct PM with a link to the scam accusation thread. They also could have asked someone like Little Mouse to step in and help get the rep's attention.

Yes, that is my complaint. Alright, let's wait for a response there.

From what I can see, the victim opened a case on ContestHunter and is now waiting for a response from Degen representative
If the victim is willing to be patient and wait for the representative's response, then why are the rest of us in such a hurry to paint them red!

[Don Pedro Dinero]

<...> then why are the rest of us in such a hurry to paint them red!

The thing is, if that criteria were widely applied there would have been practically not a single casino on the forum that could have lasted a couple of months without a red tag. Over the years, we have seen a great many allegations against casinos, most of which come to nothing, or where it is shown that the players broke the rules in some way (by using multiple accounts, for example). And yet casinos are reluctant to share their detection methods because doing so might give cheaters a clue.

Furthermore, and as I seem to recall mentioning in another thread on this subject, even in strictly regulated European-licensed fiat casinos, the casinos have considerable discretion to resolve these cases without necessarily having to share the evidence. If the casino rules against the player and the player considers this unfair, they can refer the matter to an arbitration panel, if one exists in the country, or find the money to pay a solicitor and take the matter to court. So, it's not so different.

I think the best way to deal with these issues is to start with neutral tags until enough evidence justifies a red tag or a deletion of the neutral.

[icopress]

So two cases? That's not enough to confirm these claims, especially since @inspace doesn't send much negative trust or misuse his DT. If there isn't additional evidence, it's best to lock this topic.

I received several dozen such emails after finishing my two-year stint managing this project's marketing.

But overall, that's all you need to know about this case.

P.S. It's obvious that this whole thread isn't about inspace at all, but a veiled attack on me.

Guys, I urge you to stop this, because I sincerely don't understand why you're aiming a gun at your own leg. 

[Don Pedro Dinero]

<...>

I don't want to get involved in this controversy between managers, but going to what origins this thread, do you think it would have been correct for a DT1 to leave a red tag at the first Scam Accusation against BC Game (while you were the manager)?

[God Of Thunder]

Looking at @inspace's ratings, we find that @inspace was the "first" to give God of Thunder a negative trust,

I don't mind it.
I always had very good relations with 1miau, Gazeta, and I would say icopress as well.
I have asked for tips to icopress several times, and he was helpful. inspace might think I am a competitor and should be kicked out asap. Hence, the quick feedback. This is just my guess.

[icopress]

I have asked for tips to icopress several times [...]

That's true. I gave you some advice and allowed you to use some of my templates/practices.

I also didn't red-tag you because I thought you showed character by staying on the forum instead of hiding (I thought that was a good sign and a glimmer of hope).

I don't want to get involved in this controversy between managers, but going to what origins this thread, do you think it would have been correct for a DT1 to leave a red tag at the first Scam Accusation against BC Game (while you were the manager)?

Why not? If the project is in good shape, the issue will be resolved and the tag will be changed to a neutral one. And as a manager, I'll do everything I can to ensure the problematic case is resolved as quickly as possible (by sharing this information with the team).

But when a user is forced to accept arbitration terms, where the marketing manager acts as the arbitrator, that's strange.

I believe this is your case on CH: https://contesthunters.com/disputes/13

Contesthunters account has been part of LM Management.

[God Of Thunder]

That's true. I gave you some advice and allowed you to use some of my templates/practices.

I also didn't red-tag you because I thought you showed character by staying on the forum instead of hiding (I thought that was a good sign and a glimmer of hope).

By saying allowed me to use some of your templates/practices, I assume you meant the signature campaign Ann threads, Games and Round threads. If so, I have to admit that I always liked your sense of design, and I got inspired by your threads. Yes, it's true. As for staying in the forum, I don't know how long it would take me to prove that I am not a risk to the community, but I am trying my best. I've approached nutildah, yahoo and some other prominent members lately to talk about it. Anyway, this thread is not about me. So, I won't write more here.

But when a user is forced to accept arbitration terms, where the marketing manager acts as the arbitrator, that's strange.

I believe this is your case on CH: https://contesthunters.com/disputes/13

Contesthunters account has been part of LM Management.

You misunderstood. As far as I know, LM owns contesthunters, but holydarkness handles disputes, and I think you would agree he has a good reputation for arbitrating cases.

[Free Market Capitalist]

Well, I recently said here that these topics bored me, and here I am again.

I've made a couple of decisions that some people on both sides are probably not going to like, but anyone who doesn't like them can go fuck themselves.

On the one hand, I've removed inspace from my trust list. To me, it's clear that the red is mostly due to the conflict between two sides (and that much of it is happening behind the scenes without us even knowing about it). Just like the red tag for BC Game when they changed managers. If you understand the context, you don't need a million examples to see the pattern.

Also, I checked out the “Scam Accusations” section to look at the threads about the casino I represent, and I found these:

Degen. $601 in bets voided, deposit refunded. SCAM

Degen.com Confiscated My Winnings

Degen Casino refuses to pay 513.98 USDT Sportsbook winnings

I'm going to wait for a resolution from contesthunters. As I see it, some cases are already there, and in other cases, holydarkness has advised those affected to post them there. I quite trust him and I will wait. But for now, I'm not happy with what I see, and can be summarized here:

I've seen this many times before: a "sportsbook" offers bets, but if the user selects winning bets, they come up with an excuse so they don't have to pay. None of this makes sense: if they don't want users to bet on "weak lines" (whatever that may be), they shouldn't offer them. They're not paying back the users who lost, so they shouldn't confiscate winnings either!

I recently quit a campaign simply because I could see that the casino was being run in an amateurish way. I'll have no problem quitting this one if I don't see more satisfactory explanations from the casino and/or fair resolutions on contesthunters.

[icopress]

Just like the red tag for BC Game when they changed managers [...]

You should correct this part, as it's not true and looks more like you're parroting the lies of the user who first posted it (I remember you always tried to be neutral, so I emphasized that this part should be corrected so I wouldn't interpret it as a distortion of the facts).

Also, BC management changed in April 2025, and I see that inspace left the red tag on the project 13 months later. Moreover, I just checked and see that LM wasn't managing BC's campaign at that point, so this argument is irrelevant (and if we follow your logic, BC was more my client than LM's, based on the fact that I managed their marketing for three times longer). But you said "both sides," so I don't see you taking any action based on these abuses.

[JollyGood]

I am somewhat concerned at the conduct of not only the degencom account because they have been posting borderline spam or attention-seeking self-promotion for over a week, yet it was a week ago that the scam accusation was made. The degencom account did not make a single post in that thread addressing the allegations that were made against them yet had time to post spam.

I am also concerned that AB de Royse777 would create this thread without making it clear what is really going on. We all know AB de Royse777 would not spend a single second of his time on anything including on any member of the forum unless he could see dollar signs attached. The question arises, why did he?

He has taken the opportunity to again attempt another attack on icopress by alluding to collusion between various members of the forum. If he did not allude to the obvious he should not have posted it.

Also, the advocate (of the degencom account) AB de Royse777 created this thread without even addressing the actual allegation stated in the scam accusation thread and he did not even post whether they had a discussion on the specific matter.

It shows gross incompetence on part of AB de Royse777 to have created this thread in the manner he chose to. Part of the rush to create this thread had to be to use it as an opportunity to attack icopress again. The OP is covered with deliberate obfuscation as well as deliberate ambiguity where AB de Royse777 wanted it and also alluded to icopress and inspace colluding against a casino.

While all this is taking place, the protagonist at the centre of the story (degencom) has not even posted once in the scam accusation thread nor in this thread to explain their side of the story. His campaign is being managed by Little Mouse yet AB de Royse777 is his advocate, interesting. I suppose he must be laughing from a distance.

Again we see circle of ideal assistant and their positive feedback between each others. I understand in campaign management we have these assistant things, fan things around, I am fine with that. With above I wanted to make a point only that it is true, the ideal assistant and manager fan things are true.


NEGATIVE FEEDBACK
I was notified to look into a red tag left for degencom. The accusation against them is Degen. $601 in bets voided, deposit refunded. SCAM, a $601 accusation and I understand it can be a lot of money for some. I had a quick scan on the accusation topic and my question is - did we have a initiation in looking after this accusation and for a solution? I don't see there are much development in the accusation topic.

[AB de Royse777]

I am somewhat concerned at the conduct of not only the degencom account because they have been posting borderline spam or attention-seeking self-promotion for over a week, yet it was a week ago that the scam accusation was made. The degencom account did not make a single post in that thread addressing the allegations that were made against them yet had time to post spam.

I am also concerned that AB de Royse777 would create this thread without making it clear what is really going on. We all know AB de Royse777 would not spend a single second of his time on anything including on any member of the forum unless he could see dollar signs attached. The question arises, why did he?

He has taken the opportunity to again attempt another attack on icopress by alluding to collusion between various members of the forum. If he did not allude to the obvious he should not have posted it.

Also, the advocate (of the degencom account) AB de Royse777 created this thread without even addressing the actual allegation stated in the scam accusation thread and he did not even post whether they had a discussion on the specific matter.

It shows gross incompetence on part of AB de Royse777 to have created this thread in the manner he chose to. Part of the rush to create this thread had to be to use it as an opportunity to attack icopress again. The OP is covered with deliberate obfuscation as well as deliberate ambiguity where AB de Royse777 wanted it and also alluded to icopress and inspace colluding against a casino.

While all this is taking place, the protagonist at the centre of the story (degencom) has not even posted once in the scam accusation thread nor in this thread to explain their side of the story. His campaign is being managed by Little Mouse yet AB de Royse777 is his advocate, interesting. I suppose he must be laughing from a distance.

Again we see circle of ideal assistant and their positive feedback between each others. I understand in campaign management we have these assistant things, fan things around, I am fine with that. With above I wanted to make a point only that it is true, the ideal assistant and manager fan things are true.


NEGATIVE FEEDBACK
I was notified to look into a red tag left for degencom. The accusation against them is Degen. $601 in bets voided, deposit refunded. SCAM, a $601 accusation and I understand it can be a lot of money for some. I had a quick scan on the accusation topic and my question is - did we have a initiation in looking after this accusation and for a solution? I don't see there are much development in the accusation topic.

Do you have anything better to write other than telling people how well you know me and my work? You don't. You are becoming boring in describing me, you really need fresh new contents.

But overall, that's all you need to know about this case.

I have no idea what you are trying to prove bringing a PM from whoever it was from. Isn't it better to show the full texts rather hiding information? May I know what idea and what drama the user was taking about? FYI, if I remember correctly, someone from BC reached me that time (in that transition period) and they wanted to know the fees and things and my response was giving them the information they need. That was all.

He was first to give negative tag to BC.Game (not saying BC eventually showed their true skin) when BC taken over from the first manager to second manager. BC had soleved and unsolved accusations since 2023 by the way.

So two cases? That's not enough to confirm these claims, especially since @inspace doesn't send much negative trust or misuse his DT. If there isn't additional evidence, it's best to lock this topic.

Two or three? If you are not including The God of Thunder then two otherwise three. And that's my exact point too, he does not send much negative trusts but when he is sending out negatives then it seems he is targeting towards a specific goal.

[holydarkness]

Since my name being mentioned here... first of all, not here for the drama as my crypto life is already busy with case clarification [and now also dispute resolution attempt] and my IRL --work and personal-- is already colorful, I'm here just to straighten one thing about ContestHunters, one thing about Degen casino, and one thing about the forum, and then probably return to this board's twin sister and only occasionally reading this thread [surely when my name is being mentioned].

As always, wall of text ahead.

Moving to the three points, first one: ContestHunters are run by LM, yes, I think he and some of his friends [be it on the forum or on his personal life] build it and facilitate the platform with dispute resolution page. But, so far, he has not intervene with any of it and give me the freedom as much as I want to prove and piece evidences. Though I haven't ventured around the platform to see what it offers, I'd like to think that dispute department is a separate section, completely run by me, with LM's help to get me acquainted with a contact, suppose they're still not in mine.

Of which bring us to the next thing, about Degen casino. LM and me has been trying to get Degen to address the case here and on CH, he tried to get me acquainted with Degen's staff, even asked me which department should he seek to cooperate with me. So far the effort is yet to be fruitful, yes. But I'd like to think that it's because they're new to this environment and is yet to familiarize themselves with the dynamic. Thus, the silence.

Last, about the forum. We are dying. I merited someone here --sorry, I usually read post first, see the content and quality of the post, then the name of the poster, and your name is not familiar, and I'm bad at remembering name-- with the most number of merit I gave to one post [so far, IIRC], because that post is a perfect embodiment of my thought and what made me busied myself running here and there around SA, to get both sides of the story from each case and to piece each of the puzzles into one complete image.

If we are quick to judge a casino, newcomers will think it is a barrier of entry and/or that the forum is a hostile environment that is not good for marketing. We lose the numbers of casinos who do their marketing here, and it means a lot of people on the forum who use sig. earning as their full-time earning or to help them with daily life [weekly payment here is good enough for developed countries and least-developed countries] will lose their chance of live improvement.

This is also why I volunteer on CH, with a hope that it can work side-by-side with the forum as "our own" ADR. Many has attempted to create this kind of platform. IIRC, many also suggested or even asked theymos for a section dedicated for ADR. So, here's our chance and my goal: to "integrate" an ADR into our forum and boost forum's selling point that it will attract more casinos here and add more variety of campaigns.

So I'll appreciate if we can support that initiative [at least the dispute resolution section], for our own good.

[yahoo62278]

Of which bring us to the next thing, about Degen casino. LM and me has been trying to get Degen to address the case here and on CH, he tried to get me acquainted with Degen's staff, even asked me which department should he seek to cooperate with me. So far the effort is yet to be fruitful, yes. But I'd like to think that it's because they're new to this environment and is yet to familiarize themselves with the dynamic. Thus, the silence.

If you have a contact, or LM has a contact, then them dragging their feet for weeks and being new to the environment is not a valid excuse. I see they took the time to respond in 1 of the accusations, which is a positive step for them, but they can't/shouldn't pick n choose which accusations to give attention to.

While I think you are able to somewhat get results, I do feel like your process is slow as hell. It's like watching paint dry and can drag on for long periods of time. You really need to make sure you get the right contacts in each casino (the top dog, not a lacky) and speed the process up. We all know that a good portion of the accusations are scumbags who got caught cheating and are trying to pressure a casino to pay, but there are legit complaints you could get handled faster.

Good luck with your disputes, hopefully your process improves over time.


To Royse regarding the inspace feedback, The feedback looks to me like it's just a pressure feedback to get a casino to respond in an accusation thread. Inspace might be willing to remove the feedback if the casino explains their side of the what's happening.  

Did you try contacting him or come straight here and make a thread?

[holydarkness]

Of which bring us to the next thing, about Degen casino. LM and me has been trying to get Degen to address the case here and on CH, he tried to get me acquainted with Degen's staff, even asked me which department should he seek to cooperate with me. So far the effort is yet to be fruitful, yes. But I'd like to think that it's because they're new to this environment and is yet to familiarize themselves with the dynamic. Thus, the silence.

If you have a contact, or LM has a contact, then them dragging their feet for weeks and being new to the environment is not a valid excuse. I see they took the time to respond in 1 of the accusations, which is a positive step for them, but they can't/shouldn't pick n choose which accusations to give attention to.

While I think you are able to somewhat get results, I do feel like your process is slow as hell. It's like watching paint dry and can drag on for long periods of time. You really need to make sure you get the right contacts in each casino (the top dog, not a lacky) and speed the process up. We all know that a good portion of the accusations are scumbags who got caught cheating and are trying to pressure a casino to pay, but there are legit complaints you could get handled faster.

Good luck with your disputes, hopefully your process improves over time.

[...]

The part I marked in bold is the reason why you're watching paint dry. LM [and other campaign managers] are dealing with marketing staff from a casino, I believe you understand this quite well. I always aim for someone from compliance or risk, as they're the one who can sit with me and really talk about cases without having to go back and forth for red tape.

And this is what LM tried to provide for me, and what I asked him to get to me: someone from compliance [and yes, I always ask for the top management].

Now, surely you can understand, if you're willing to pause a little to mull over it, why the paint dried very slowly on the wall. A new casino, in a new environment, barely knows anyone, barely knows how they system works [for a vivid understanding, even one or two long-term casino's rep and/or their compliance colleague who's been here for years doesn't know what a flag is, what that orange -# means, and who theymos is] and suddenly they're asked by their associate to reach someone they barely know, who will dissect their organization and how they operate.

Scepticism is guaranteed. Even some casinos' reps who are talking with me [who I reach first instead of them reaching to me] need time to really trust me and shift from defensive position to be totally open.

Unfortunately, trust is earned, not given, so it's either watching the paint dried, or no paint at all.