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Author Topic: Russian mod and Russians who call for extermination and destruction of Ukraine  (Read 528 times)
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July 24, 2026, 02:48:33 PM
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I'm honestly surprised that someone like you wants to sweep this under the rug as soon as possible, but you obviously have your reasons for doing so...
Believe me, if you had the sound of missile strikes sirens pounding your psyche day after day for almost 5 years (and some sirens can easily go on for 10-20 hours non-stop), you too would have developed a gag reflex to anything related to Russian trolls.


I was in a similar situation when you might not have even been born yet and I know very well what it means to look death in the eye every day for years. I do not perceive them only as trolls, but as those who for some reason (perhaps they are paid for it) try to influence public opinion and encourage others to believe in their sick propaganda.

However, this topic is not open because of what is happening publicly, but because of what is happening behind the scenes - one mod takes bribes to delete topics, another protects those who call for the extermination of people - but when I see that 99.99 people on this forum won't even blink an eye at all of that, I wonder why I even react to such things.

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July 24, 2026, 03:01:57 PM
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I wouldn't say he's defending anyone. I periodically check the Russian-language section, and I don't think I've ever seen him take sides (and I think the cases he didn't intervene in were because the rules weren't clearly interpreted). Now that we've received an affirmative answer, I think the pressure on the politics section will ease a bit, since such cases can be reported.

 
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July 25, 2026, 12:57:56 AM
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You didn't write whether you took any action against the moderator who had my report as "Bad" and who is more than obviously protecting Russian propagandists on this forum?

Xal0lex moderates these things neutrally, as you can see with both sides complaining about him. I didn't check whether he was the one who marked the report as bad, but if he did, then I don't blame him for it. This was an edge case which I was not that far from deciding in the other direction, since the post didn't have an explicit call to action.

Calling for the destruction of mostly civilian targets by all possible military means is a war strategy for you?

Whatever it is, it's not incitement. What you're saying is that the opinion is evil, which I agree with. But whether the opinion he's advancing is evil or not is completely irrelevant to moderation. Forum rules don't prohibit evil opinions. Similarly, your reports cited "causing fear and concern" and "creating a feeling of hatred and fear", but creating those feelings within the reader is not prohibited by forum rules. What's prohibited by forum rules is inciting violence.

Moderation is done according to rules, so if a line can't be drawn between a moderation action and a rule, then it's an incorrect moderation action. Rules can be changed, but one of the core principles of this forum's moderation is to allow for a very high degree of free expression, including allowing members of even very evil/strange groups to put their crazy ideas out there in full. This moderation principle differentiates bitcointalk.org from most forums, creating at least one space where even the craziest ideas can fight it out. It also saves moderators from the impossible task of coming up with some unified theory of ethics. If "advocating committing war crimes" was banned, would we ban quotes from President Trump regarding the Iran war, or posts from people supporting Israel's war crimes? Or is the rule supposed to be "Only 'our side' is allowed to express their views"?

If you don't want to be around people who have detestable opinions regarding you and your nation, then there's certainly nothing wrong with that, but bitcointalk.org moderation is never going to achieve that goal. We do not create safe spaces for people. You can either add the users to your ignore list, or go to one of the many forums out there with stricter moderation.

This kind of topic should be banned, even to avoid putting moderators in the subjective position of deciding what is right or wrong.

The beauty of allowing all opinions is that we don't have to decide what's right or wrong: each reader can read everything and decide that for himself.

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July 25, 2026, 12:59:56 PM
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If you don't want to be around people who have detestable opinions regarding you and your nation, then there's certainly nothing wrong with that, but bitcointalk.org moderation is never going to achieve that goal. We do not create safe spaces for people. You can either add the users to your ignore list, or go to one of the many forums out there with stricter moderation.


Thanks for the advice, maybe I'll listen to you - and one day when you notice that the forum has fewer and fewer members who can be considered somewhat valuable, you won't be able to blame anyone but yourself.

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