This could motivate us If greed & individualism motivate the capitalists

[Ucy]

In a typical capitalist setting, the more properties you pile up for yourself the more you are respected (or even worshipped) .. So people work hard to have this things in order to be respected

How about we reverse it in this manner in Bitcoin world, if you live in tiny/small house alone (typical of nomads), live lowly lifestyle but have large profitable business or benefit society alot possibly without charge, can easily live selfishly yet choose to be poor,  then you are greatly respected.  

This could motivate Bitcoiners who choose such bitcoin-compatible economic ideal to work hard and be productive since lots of people were programmed or taught to respect people who pile up riches for themselves in fiat world,which motivates them to work hard to be rich.

[Fortify]

How do you get this tiny/small house where you live alone? Anyone plugged into the real world would know that if you even wanted to own that you would have to accumulate a fair chunk of funds through any means. Nobody is giving away these things for free, at least not in places you'd actually want to live this dream out. There are lots of people already living a "lowly lifestyle" within the capitalist system and understanding if you want a bit more freedom, accept reality and spend less than you earn to give yourself a buffer. However if you don't have your own funded safety net then you will forever be living hand to mouth or have some future worry about where your meals will come from. You're not the first one to think like a hippie and it is a blissful idea, but unless you're blessed in some other way like a lottery win or inheritance, then most people won't have these options available to them.

[rat03gopoh]

How about we reverse it in this manner in Bitcoin world, if you live in tiny/small house alone (typical of nomads), live lowly lifestyle but have large profitable business or benefit society alot possibly without charge, can easily live selfishly yet choose to be poor,  then you are greatly respected.  

Bitcoiners are naturally driven to live simply when they're in HODL mode, surviving the bear season, and people will still respect you if they know the timing of your involvement. Haha...

There's a fine line between respect and flattery. I've rarely seen people respect those wealthier without expecting a financial exchange. But social and environmental factors can vary.

[EluguHcman]

In a typical capitalist setting, the more properties you pile up for yourself the more you are respected (or even worshipped) .. So people work hard to have this things in order to be respected

This is ridiculous. People actually have different mentality but in the baseline they have same vision.
So people would acquire properties just to earn respect from others? I think this is the case of people misjudging appreciations of values for pride.

So the more appreciative you would be is the more they turns your genuine attitude for pride.
I think the main reason why people works so hard is just to survive, maybe when they have it surplus they spends extravagantly either on profitable or unprofitable expenses.

I also hope a wealthy man or someone who have invested in assets like the real estate properties should also deserve to be respected but depending how you spend your funds. Not those that destabilizes the comfort of the commoners.
Having an effective way to influence the society earns respect
man but playing crucial role while no one is worth worshipping like the god.

[justdimin]

In a typical capitalist setting, the more properties you pile up for yourself the more you are respected (or even worshipped) .. So people work hard to have this things in order to be respected

How about we reverse it in this manner in Bitcoin world, if you live in tiny/small house alone (typical of nomads), live lowly lifestyle but have large profitable business or benefit society alot possibly without charge, can easily live selfishly yet choose to be poor,  then you are greatly respected.  

This could motivate Bitcoiners who choose such bitcoin-compatible economic ideal to work hard and be productive since lots of people were programmed or taught to respect people who pile up riches for themselves in fiat world,which motivates them to work hard to be rich.

Why are you making it sound like Bitcoin World or this crypto industry is another animated virtual universe which is completely separate from the actual world we live in and you can live there separately with a different identity than you have in the real world, build an empire or just live like a poor while you still have a lot of money, and you will still have a lot of respect and honour in that world. Wake up, bro. We are not living in a dream, it is not that those who own Bitcoin or cryptocurrencies are different than those who own fiat wealth, it's just that when you have fiat and you keep it in centralized banks, you are exposing how much you own, but with Bitcoin, you can hide that, but hiding means you are going to have the same outcome in the outer world, you won't be respected all of a sudden because you have a secret Bitcoin wallet with a bunch of bitcoins, the respect you are talking about will still come if you expose everything.

So, understand that Bitcoin and cryptocurrencies are also a part of the world we live in. Whether you have a bunch of bitcoins or a bunch of businesses, it is still the status that you hold in society that will matter at the end if you are talking about how respect can be gained in society today, because as I said, even if you have a 1000 bitcoins and living in a hut, you will be treated the same way as someone who lives beside you and has no assets at all. It's all about what the world sees from the outside.

[Nheer]

I think it all down to each individuals personality and each person has to choose what they are more comfortable with. It's true people should not be respected because of where they live and the kind of lifestyle they live but also it has no difference when people who live in small tiny houses are respected, I think it they are both being judged based on what we see. Ok what about someone who lives in a big flashy house and lives a luxury lifestyle and also run a successful business and still want to be useful and contribute a lot to the society? How will they be viewed then?

To me I think a person's personality shouldn't matter, whichever way they prefer to live their lives they are free, they just need to also try and be useful to the society in one way or another because what matters is how they contribute positively to the society.

[ColdLava40]

In a typical capitalist setting, the more properties you pile up for yourself the more you are respected (or even worshipped) .. So people work hard to have this things in order to be respected

How about we reverse it in this manner in Bitcoin world, if you live in tiny/small house alone (typical of nomads), live lowly lifestyle but have large profitable business or benefit society alot possibly without charge, can easily live selfishly yet choose to be poor,  then you are greatly respected.  

This could motivate Bitcoiners who choose such bitcoin-compatible economic ideal to work hard and be productive since lots of people were programmed or taught to respect people who pile up riches for themselves in fiat world,which motivates them to work hard to be rich.

I think in a materialistic society, people try to measure others by how much they spend, how much they own or how many properties they have accumulated. But are these really necessary?

Think of it, the most rich men in to days society don't spend money purchasing asset, they buy few of them which are the basics and put their money back into investments to work for them as a form of passive income.

That's what a Bitcoiner should aim for. No level of show off would bring you to where you want in today's economic system. You just need complete focus on what really matters and hands off unrealistic expectations from the public.

[letteredhub]

It's really difficult to have lot of wealth and still be of modesty living, I have seen some very few people who live this way and I envy how they're able to do it, because the average human wants to be recognized wherever they go and such recognition by the current value system comes with people knowing how wealthy you are.

The fiat system doesn't encourage privacy of investment (wealth) unlike the values and principles of bitcoin, and this why you can easily find a bitcoiner with large holding but is not loud, than you would find a rich  individual in the fiat world that's private and quiet with his wealth.

[Obari]

In a typical capitalist setting, the more properties you pile up for yourself the more you are respected (or even worshipped) .. So people work hard to have this things in order to be respected

How about we reverse it in this manner in Bitcoin world, if you live in tiny/small house alone (typical of nomads), live lowly lifestyle but have large profitable business or benefit society alot possibly without charge, can easily live selfishly yet choose to be poor,  then you are greatly respected.  

This could motivate Bitcoiners who choose such bitcoin-compatible economic ideal to work hard and be productive since lots of people were programmed or taught to respect people who pile up riches for themselves in fiat world,which motivates them to work hard to be rich.

No offense but it seems getting rich from your perspective of view is about impressing people right ?
That's not to me and anyone who is rich and not atleast living a comfortable life should be checked especially their source of income-  living a comfortable life doesn't mean one should spend extravagantly but been able to make your home and environment convenient for yourself.

Anyone who is naturally not hungry to be a better person should also be checked because as a person, we all want the good life especially at ease, so the seal of wanting to live a better life should be our driving force to investing in bitcoin and not simply because we want to prove a point to anyone or customers

[Coyster]

OP, what exactly are you trying to talk about, it really doesn't make much sense to me. Where did you get the idea that you have to be poor or live like you are poor to be respected, that is ridiculous, what do you even mean when you attribute this weird idea to the "Bitcoin world".

There is nothing wrong in working hard to become rich. Capitalism is also not as bad as you make it out to be, that is why it is the most widely adopted economic and political system around the world. You should stop with the crazy idea of promoting poverty as being noble and wealth as being selfish and terrible.

[abhiseshakana]

Being humble is choice as our live style. These habit doesn't have any correlation with someone economic status, even the simple live always juxtaposed with poverty but actually it doesn't. People who live simply, whatever assets he has accumulated, he will choose to live a life of moderation.

About mandates for others, fifferent people will have different perception and level. I have friend who divide his wealth into 3 parts, 30% for aset accumulation, 30% for daily needed and 40% he use for investment but all the profit he get from this part he sepnt for social matter especially who give big impact on society.

For me, respect must be give to all people whether they are rich or poor, thry choose to life simple, or on vip mode. People who are not stingy are always liked, which mean people know they give contribution, and choose to become usefull for other using their asset. The greater the contribution (willingness to sacrifice) the greater the respect given.

[Rruchi man]

OP, what exactly are you trying to talk about, it really doesn't make much sense to me. Where did you get the idea that you have to be poor or live like you are poor to be respected, that is ridiculous, what do you even mean when you attribute this weird idea to the "Bitcoin world".

If I understand the OP, he is saying that if you live like you're poor, then it's a strong indication that you are able to make enough sacrifice to be able to accumulate a sufficient amount of Bitcoin, so if you invest in Bitcoin and can disguise yourself as poor, people who know you invest in Bitcoin but disguise yourselves as poor will respect you for it and the sacrifices you are making. Haha! It is a weird way to look at things, to want to live below a standard because you seek respect.

The truth to me is that nobody really cares; if you respect yourself well enough, others around you will accord the same respect to you.

[SUPERSAIAN]

OP, what exactly are you trying to talk about, it really doesn't make much sense to me. Where did you get the idea that you have to be poor or live like you are poor to be respected, that is ridiculous, what do you even mean when you attribute this weird idea to the "Bitcoin world".

There is nothing wrong in working hard to become rich. Capitalism is also not as bad as you make it out to be, that is why it is the most widely adopted economic and political system around the world. You should stop with the crazy idea of promoting poverty as being noble and wealth as being selfish and terrible.

I tried to understand all this nonsense while reading it, but I didn't understand anything. I especially didn't understand how it connected to the Bitcoin world. Respect in society isn't just about wealth. Many wealthy people are ostracized from society because they lack character. Wealth is important; people almost worship wealthy people, but what truly matters is how they feel.

[viljy]

In a typical capitalist setting, the more properties you pile up for yourself the more you are respected (or even worshipped) .. So people work hard to have this things in order to be respected

How about we reverse it in this manner in Bitcoin world, if you live in tiny/small house alone (typical of nomads), live lowly lifestyle but have large profitable business or benefit society alot possibly without charge, can easily live selfishly yet choose to be poor,  then you are greatly respected.  

This could motivate Bitcoiners who choose such bitcoin-compatible economic ideal to work hard and be productive since lots of people were programmed or taught to respect people who pile up riches for themselves in fiat world,which motivates them to work hard to be rich.

Where is such a typical country? It's utopian. The rich are not respected, but hated, skillfully hiding it. Maybe such a country is just atypical? Especially if you mean the United States and, for example, Elon Musk ("or even worshipped"). So the USA is the most atypical and unique country, because it has no history of the Middle Ages and antiquity! There, the state began immediately with democracy and capitalism. It's like a spherical horse model in the vacuum of pure capitalism, if you know the horse meme... This is neither good nor bad, but it just happened that way historically.

But a kind and humble hermit in a house with a wallet full of bitcoins will be stabbed to death immediately after he gives out a private key under torture - that's the end of the idyll. (Especially when you consider that in those warm regions where such houses for nomads are usually located, the criminal situation leaves much to be desired).

[cryptomaniac_xxx]

In a typical capitalist setting, the more properties you pile up for yourself the more you are respected (or even worshipped) .. So people work hard to have this things in order to be respected

How about we reverse it in this manner in Bitcoin world, if you live in tiny/small house alone (typical of nomads), live lowly lifestyle but have large profitable business or benefit society alot possibly without charge, can easily live selfishly yet choose to be poor,  then you are greatly respected.  

I'm not sure of the latter case though, yes, there could be some millionaires around that still live modestly. But I don't think that they chooses to be poor. Instead they want to live the way they are used to.

But the former was different, we strived and dream to be rich because we want to live a good live. Respect might come later, but I do think that they don't look for that. Instead they want to be rich, own property because that's what they like for them and their family.

So I don't think that it's possible, and as a Bitcoiner I think we only have one goal, to live comfortable thru our investment and be rich.

[Somegory]

In a typical capitalist setting, the more properties you pile up for yourself the more you are respected (or even worshipped) .. So people work hard to have this things in order to be respected

How about we reverse it in this manner in Bitcoin world, if you live in tiny/small house alone (typical of nomads), live lowly lifestyle but have large profitable business or benefit society alot possibly without charge, can easily live selfishly yet choose to be poor,  then you are greatly respected.  

This could motivate Bitcoiners who choose such bitcoin-compatible economic ideal to work hard and be productive since lots of people were programmed or taught to respect people who pile up riches for themselves in fiat world,which motivates them to work hard to be rich.

I'm surprised, aren't many people who are in crypto space doing this? I am still living in family house, in a basement is where I am running my Bitcoin miners, everybody is in rush to make money and start letting the world know like it's all that matters.

This is not me, I don't like it when people know my worth, so even if I am worth alot of money I will choose a quiet life still, it's more peaceful and yes I like how people easily take their eye off me because I look like I don't have anything, way more safer.

Secluded life doesn't mean a meaningless life, grinding when no one is watching is true freedom, coming from my country where people like investigating other people I've learnt to stay under the radar.

[eaLiTy]

In a typical capitalist setting, the more properties you pile up for yourself the more you are respected (or even worshipped) .. So people work hard to have this things in order to be respected

While property accumulation might bring respect in traditional settings, that narrative completely flips in progressive hubs like New York City or San Francisco. In those environments, wealthy individuals face intense hostility and resentment instead of admiration.

The underlying issue is that societal views shift based on the dominant political narrative. Today, a vocal majority in these cities loves to lecture others on how to spend or distribute the wealth others created. It is easy to demand that resources be given to others when you haven't personally put in the years of hard work, taken the financial risks, or built an economic empire from scratch. They are essentially penalizing the very success and drive that fuels the economy.

How about we reverse it in this manner in Bitcoin world, if you live in tiny/small house alone (typical of nomads), live lowly lifestyle but have large profitable business or benefit society alot possibly without charge, can easily live selfishly yet choose to be poor,  then you are greatly respected.  

This could motivate Bitcoiners who choose such bitcoin-compatible economic ideal to work hard and be productive since lots of people were programmed or taught to respect people who pile up riches for themselves in fiat world,which motivates them to work hard to be rich.

The idea that wealthy people should live a completely lowkey lifestyle and act as if they are poor is a fantasy. In the real world, human beings naturally want to enjoy the fruits of their labor.

Helping others does not mean you are obligated to spend a mandatory percentage of your accumulated wealth every single month. The individual decides what to do with the wealth they accumulated—not the public, and not a vocal majority. True financial freedom means you control your money; others do not get to dictate how you use it. 

The fact remains that you can no longer separate the crypto and fiat economies. It is true that they operated independently during crypto's initial period, but they have now converged into an integrated global market. 

[pooya87]

In a typical capitalist setting, the more properties you pile up for yourself the more you are respected

can easily live selfishly yet choose to be poor,  then you are greatly respected. 

Both of these are bad and we have an expression in Farsi (از اون ور بوم افتادن) literally means "to fall off the other side of the roof". It's like the dude who was on the roof and didn't want to fall of the ledge kept going backwards until he fell off the other ledge in the back!

The opposite of being greedy is not being poor. One does not need to strive to live like the fake lifestyle advertised by the oligarchy with a lot of "bling". At the same time one does not need to starve and live in poverty like a monk.

Life is all about balance. The opposite of being greedy is being content.

You did have a good point in your post though:

have large profitable business or benefit society alot

That's entrepreneur (minus the pure profit seeking and the capitalistic laissez-faire-ism) where you'd start businesses that would create jobs for others as well.

[Die_empty]

In a typical capitalist setting, the more properties you pile up for yourself the more you are respected (or even worshipped) .. So people work hard to have this things in order to be respected

This might not be the general view of rich people. At least I know so many wealthy people who prefer to live modest lives. It's natural for rich folks to get respect and attention, and there is nothing wrong in aspiring to be wealthy.

How about we reverse it in this manner in Bitcoin world, if you live in tiny/small house alone (typical of nomads), live lowly lifestyle but have large profitable business or benefit society alot possibly without charge, can easily live selfishly yet choose to be poor,  then you are greatly respected.

I don't know where you got this idea from. People are free to live the life they want. It could have made sense to me if you had suggested that the rich should contribute to charity. How do you expect someone wealthy to choose to live in deep poverty? I am sure you would not apply this suggestion if you were rich.

This could motivate Bitcoiners who choose such bitcoin-compatible economic ideal to work hard and be productive since lots of people were programmed or taught to respect people who pile up riches for themselves in fiat world,which motivates them to work hard to be rich.

Bitcoin is still money. So your argument doesn't make sense.

[The Cryptovator]

In a typical capitalist setting, the more properties you pile up for yourself the more you are respected (or even worshipped) .. So people work hard to have this things in order to be respected

That's called social status that you earned. For that definitely you have to be wealthy, because people respect your position, not you as a person.

How about we reverse it in this manner in Bitcoin world, if you live in tiny/small house alone (typical of nomads), live lowly lifestyle but have large profitable business or benefit society alot possibly without charge, can easily live selfishly yet choose to be poor,  then you are greatly respected.

It's kinda impossible. Although it's possible and people around you don't know you are wealthy and respect you, then they are respecting you as a person. Because people also like the people who have been helping others. Although you will not have a social status, you will have social respect. But do you think it's possible? Real-life wealth isn't possible to hide; probably crypto is the one that can't be noticed by someone else unless you don't reveal it yourself.

This could motivate Bitcoiners who choose such bitcoin-compatible economic ideal to work hard and be productive since lots of people were programmed or taught to respect people who pile up riches for themselves in fiat world,which motivates them to work hard to be rich.

If you live on a society then you have to be social as well.