How big is the "CryptoYar" account farm?

[JollyGood]

I have some question for the CryptoYar account.

Why are you no longer posting as much as you used to before the creation of this thread and before your merit source application thread proved to be a complete disaster for you?

You were making multiple posts on a daily basis to meet your campaign quote in order to receive payment but now you are down to one post a day (and even then you missed a day in between where you made zero posts).

By your own admission, you wanted to clear your name. In order to make any attempt to do that, you have to post.

Not only that you wanted to improve as a contributor to the forum. On that basis, you should be posting multiple times a day in various boards to contribute to the forum regardless of your negative tags, the removal from your previous signature campaign and zero chance of getting selected for campaigns in future.

Why are you not posting in WO as well as the Bitcoin Discussion, Meta and Pakistan boards now?

What has changed for you to stop using your time to post in the forum using the CryptoYar account?

[Ale88]

A lot of your posts, even from before this whole controversy are obviously made with AI. You have farmed a lot of merit in this way, which shows your intentions on this forum are to make money with the least effort possible. Any attempt to continue to play the victim will not work.

Ok so basically we have:

• Several alt accounts
• MS application to farm even more accounts
• Cheated in the Pizza Contest and he is refusing to return the prize
• Posts generated using AI
• Lies over lies to try justifying all these BS

What is he missing at this point? Plagiarism maybe? After that he got 'em all.

[MoparMiningLLC]

Ok so basically we have:

• Cheated in the Pizza Contest and he is refusing to return the prize

he cheated in the pizza contest? this one? if so that was a hefty prize as well.

[AakZaki]

What is he missing at this point? Plagiarism maybe? After that he got 'em all.

What they are lacking at the moment is that they will no longer be as active in posting on this forum as they used to be. Because they are currently farming on the altcointalk forum and have been the second highest karma recipients in the last two months.

With those farm accounts, they seem to keep sharing regularly because the forum does not show who sent them.

source: https://pxzone.online/altt/karma-log?sort=karma_60_days
For comparison, on this forum ThemePen only gets 55 Merits in 120 days, while in that other forum he gets 108 karma in 60 days. I'm not sure the 108 was randomly obtained from any other global user, except for his working farm account.

[Ale88]

Ok so basically we have:

• Cheated in the Pizza Contest and he is refusing to return the prize

he cheated in the pizza contest? this one? if so that was a hefty prize as well.

Yes, that one, because he participated and voted with multiple accounts. I think it's extremely serious because he basically stole money that belonged to the actual winners, so he stole from other users. It's way more serious than cheating in a signature campaign in my opinion.

[nutildah]

Yes, that one, because he participated and voted with multiple accounts. I think it's extremely serious because he basically stole money that belonged to the actual winners, so he stole from other users. It's way more serious than cheating in a signature campaign in my opinion.

Its unfortunate that any bit of generosity displayed on the forum is instantly taken advantage of, and often by those with the politest of smiles.

[MoparMiningLLC]

Yes, that one, because he participated and voted with multiple accounts. I think it's extremely serious because he basically stole money that belonged to the actual winners, so he stole from other users. It's way more serious than cheating in a signature campaign in my opinion.

Its unfortunate that any bit of generosity displayed on the forum is instantly taken advantage of, and often by those with the politest of smiles.

this is very sad indeed. I would say ban him from future contests however people of this nature have an abundance of accounts. so that would most likely be uneffective.

[examplens]

Could you please clarify which specific questions you feel were only partially answered?

For example, have you been asked here many times how you will react to your award in a contest in which you obviously participated (and won) in an illegal way?

Regarding the Altcointalk forum, my thread was locked before I even had the chance to respond or present my side, so I could not carry the discussion further there.

Your thread for removing the tag has been locked because the moderators have determined that there are no grounds for removing the tag. All moderators agreed that it was multiaccounting.
You somehow understood it quite the opposite and added it as an argument in your source application thread. With that, you only provoked me to publish some of the conclusions that we recognised on the altt forum.
Now you refer to Jollygood as a positive thing in your defense, the fact that I have not yet tagged you negatively. And I've already said it once, I'll say it again, for my tag, I'm waiting for your reaction and how you're going to solve the matter with your unfair win at the contest.

[Don Pedro Dinero]

And I've already said it once, I'll say it again, for my tag, I'm waiting for your reaction and how you're going to solve the matter with your unfair win at the contest.

I wouldn't hold your breath for that.

[Ale88]

for my tag, I'm waiting for your reaction and how you're going to solve the matter with your unfair win at the contest.

Same for me. I'm still waiting for an answer about the Pizza Contest prize he wasn't supposed to receive, and if I/we don't receive a clear answer regarding this matter, and if the prize is not return, I'm going to leave a red trust too. I'm simply being patience at the moment and I'm going to wait a little more for these answers. If CryptoYar chooses to ignore them... Ok.

[Pandu Geddon]

If CryptoYar chooses to ignore them... Ok.

That account was last active 35 hours ago. I don't think he's on a weekend vacation with his current case situation.
Or maybe he's quietly monitoring with another alt account.

[examplens]

If CryptoYar chooses to ignore them... Ok.

That account was last active 35 hours ago. I don't think he's on a weekend vacation with his current case situation.
Or maybe he's quietly monitoring with another alt account.

What exactly is the purpose of this comment?
How useful is the information at all when someone assumes something?
His profile says "Last Active: (Recently)". For someone who applied to be a merit source, (so an experienced forum user) we must consider that he at least uses a notification bot, so he is informed.

[dragonvslinux]

Haven't had time to contribute to this thread, but +1 for JollyGood for creating it. Also examplens for the investigation bringing public evidence to light.

What is he missing at this point? Plagiarism maybe? After that he got 'em all.

What they are lacking at the moment is that they will no longer be as active in posting on this forum as they used to be. Because they are currently farming on the altcointalk forum and have been the second highest karma recipients in the last two months.

With those farm accounts, they seem to keep sharing regularly because the forum does not show who sent them.

Fyi I did look into this when ThemePen specifically was climbing the ranks, I didn't flag with others as the karma was arriving from a variety of accounts in Urdu section, not just the other multi-accounts. It effectively looked very similar to other local sections where karma is very centralised (nothing wrong with that either, when it's not multi-accounts that is!). So it didn't follow the traditional pattern recognition I'm familiar with for multi-accounts, probably because there were other genuine users who were also distributing karma, so it blended in better. I'm not going to elaborate on what that is as have no intention to give tips to avoid detection here, only that it's clear that some farms think we aren't checking these things. Ayyway overall it was about half farm and half non-farm if not mistaken, or maybe 60/40. The other factor to consider is that users see a mod badge and instinctively give +1, that's probably why you see the gap between ThemePen and CryptoVar no doubt: 108 vs 68.

Either way, from altt perspective, it's near impossible to prove multi-accounts from karma interactions (unless the karma abuse is blatant), but it does contribute towards building a case and starting an investigation. The only exception is when it's negative karma being abused, because smiting sticks out like a sore thumb so is easy to detect. Everyone hates the fact the karma logs are hidden from public, but really, it's regularly been my secret weapon when I'm feeling analytical

[Don Pedro Dinero]

for my tag, I'm waiting for your reaction and how you're going to solve the matter with your unfair win at the contest.

Same for me. I'm still waiting for an answer about the Pizza Contest prize he wasn't supposed to receive, and if I/we don't receive a clear answer regarding this matter, and if the prize is not return, I'm going to leave a red trust too.

I’ll bet 0.01 bitcoin that he won’t give the money back. Does anyone want to bet that he will?

[Ale88]

for my tag, I'm waiting for your reaction and how you're going to solve the matter with your unfair win at the contest.

Same for me. I'm still waiting for an answer about the Pizza Contest prize he wasn't supposed to receive, and if I/we don't receive a clear answer regarding this matter, and if the prize is not return, I'm going to leave a red trust too.

I’ll bet 0.01 bitcoin that he won’t give the money back. Does anyone want to bet that he will?

I’m simply waiting for CryptoYar comment, I’d like him to publicly announce whether he is going to return the prize or not.
It’s a very simple question that has been asked several times, ignoring it will simply bring more negative tags, he’s supposed to know that.

[Don Pedro Dinero]

for my tag, I'm waiting for your reaction and how you're going to solve the matter with your unfair win at the contest.

Same for me. I'm still waiting for an answer about the Pizza Contest prize he wasn't supposed to receive, and if I/we don't receive a clear answer regarding this matter, and if the prize is not return, I'm going to leave a red trust too.

I’ll bet 0.01 bitcoin that he won’t give the money back. Does anyone want to bet that he will?

I’m simply waiting for CryptoYar comment, I’d like him to publicly announce whether he is going to return the prize or not.
It’s a very simple question that has been asked several times, ignoring it will simply bring more negative tags, he’s supposed to know that.

I was quoting you two because you both seem to be waiting for some kind of miracle but the bet is open to anyone who wants to take it up. Also, I’ve chosen the amount carefully, as he’d have to pay back around 0.03 bitcoin; if I were to bet 0.04 bitcoin, it would be profitable for him or one of his alt accounts to accept the bet.

[Sandra_hakeem]

Did I say we made Pizzas on same day? I said we cooked the Pizza together. And it is not easy to make two Pizzas in one day especially in the hot weather of Pakistan.

So, how do people eat in Pakistan if one pizza per day is the maximum for a kitchen before you die of heat?
You're using photosynthesis or what?

The 'Photosynthesis' cracked me up lmao. Maybe you're replying to a cactus in Pakistan.

ThemePen’s case definitely made things harder for me, but facts don't change: I have no connection to them. I don't know them personally, and I’m not going to let a misunderstanding ruin what I’ve built here.

How much do you regret not locking that thread when I mentioned more than once that it served no purpose apart from bringing unwanted attention to yourself?

He trusted his expertise, but things began to fall apart. Now does he really regret not locking that thread?? If so, why doesn't he start by refunding the money he stole during the pizza contest? Until then, he hasn't regretted it enough.  A voluntary declaration of his alts is somewhat impossible to expect imo JG

Will you return the $1500 to the Pizza Day competition organisers?
Will you voluntarily declare how many accounts you are operating?

Also, I’ve chosen the amount carefully, as he’d have to pay back around 0.03 bitcoin; if I were to bet 0.04 bitcoin, it would be profitable for him or one of his alt accounts to accept the bet.

Given that his tags won't come off even if he does make a refund, it's highly unlikely to ever happen. No bet on this!

[Ale88]

I was quoting you two because you both seem to be waiting for some kind of miracle

I'm not waiting for a miracle, I just want him to publicly announce his decision regarding this matter. Of course he can do whatever he wants, but at least we get an answer since he kept saying he would defend himself and he would answer to all the questions.

[examplens]

I was quoting you two because you both seem to be waiting for some kind of miracle

I'm not waiting for a miracle, I just want him to publicly announce his decision regarding this matter. Of course he can do whatever he wants, but at least we get an answer since he kept saying he would defend himself and he would answer to all the questions.

No matter how bad the whole thing looks to him, he has a serious opportunity to turn everything in his favor. It seems that he has no intention of doing that, or maybe he just doesn't see such a solution.
Still, $1500 in his pocket is better than several legendary accounts.
Our reactions in critical moments define us more than when everything is ideal

[libert19]

I was quoting you two because you both seem to be waiting for some kind of miracle

I'm not waiting for a miracle, I just want him to publicly announce his decision regarding this matter. Of course he can do whatever he wants, but at least we get an answer since he kept saying he would defend himself and he would answer to all the questions.

No matter how bad the whole thing looks to him, he has a serious opportunity to turn everything in his favor.

I sense manipulation