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September 01, 2026, 12:01:08 AM
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But I still genuinely believe that these 5, or even 10 users, don't represent the majority of the Pakistan community. Especially now that they have been exposed and tagged, I believe they will eventually fade away.


Nah, I believe it’s the opposite.

These 5 to 10 people on your board represent the whole Pakistani community with farm account army. Same with other local board that has a lot of newly created user that farm merit using butt buddy merit transfer and sometimes involved merit source that operating behind the scene.

Some of them don’t join signature campaign to create a benefit of the doubt that they are not part of it.  Wink

Have you considered that they might not even be Pakistani?

What is the probability that someone will take old hacked accounts and start farming?

 
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September 01, 2026, 12:05:31 AM
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What I found both extremely strange was that not a single member of the local board posted in the threads related to the accounts that primarily use the Pakistan board. They were aware of what was going on yet none posted to express disappointment at what their fellow board users were doing. Not only that, some did post in the CryptoYar merit source application to support him.

Account farmers do not fade away, they use other accounts to enroll in campaigns. If you give over $2000 in prize funds to a puppeteer controlling several accounts and then later tag the accounts to render them useless, the account farmer will not fade away. On the contrary, the account farmer will do whatever it takes in order to try to win more prizes. I am sure there are more accounts in that farm, it is just about having the time to discover them and then tag them.

As for the rules for entering competitions, hopefully they will be looked at because there is already discussion taking place,

Of course, there is anger and frustration, but the problem is that right now you still don't know who's genuinely upset and who's another imposter. Smiley

Some of the findings genuinely shocked many of us, especially regarding users like ThemePen. I don't think many of us could ever have imagined him being part of such an account farm.

But I still genuinely believe that these 5, or even 10 users, don't represent the majority of the Pakistan community. Especially now that they have been exposed and tagged, I believe they will eventually fade away.

I 100% agree that there should be stricter participation rules for competitions such as the Pizza Contest, Pumpkin Carving Contest and other art-related contests.

If possible, participants should also be required to agree to clear terms and conditions before entering. The T&Cs should state that if serious manipulation, cheating or other violations are discovered, the participant can be disqualified and, if they have already won, required to return the prize.

That might not stop every cheater, but at least nobody could later say, "I didn't know that running half the contestants myself was against the rules." 😄

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September 01, 2026, 11:45:44 AM
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This might not be relevant anymore, but here is more evidence that ThemePen and CryptoYar were the same person. Similar to when ThemePen was caught re-applying to a campaign by quoting Rustam Meraj’s application, he made the same mistake with CryptoYar a few months later.

https://bitlist.co/post/65586810/versions


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September 01, 2026, 11:54:52 AM
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This might not be relevant anymore, but here is more evidence that ThemePen and CryptoYar were the same person. Similar to when ThemePen was caught re-applying to a campaign by quoting Rustam Meraj’s application, he made the same mistake with CryptoYar a few months later.

https://bitlist.co/post/65586810/versions



This one says it all. I wonder what alibi he’ll come up with this time. Let me guess: another accidental copy+paste? lol.

It’s funny how these accidents copypaste x quote keep happening at the perfect time and with the exact accounts involved. What a coincidence. Like what his keyboard just randomly copies applications from accounts that supposedly have nothing to do with each other?

I’m excited to see how he explains this one. At this point, his excuses might be more entertaining than the evidence itself. lol.

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September 01, 2026, 02:33:48 PM
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None of the farmed accounts that were tagged will be posting anything in their defence. They do not want to post as it occupies their time and they would prefer to simply concentrate on other accounts and hope they are not discovered. They do have campaign quotas to meet therefore they move forward and leave the tagged accounts in the past.

At least the community managed to put a stop to some of the accounts in that farm (including a merit source).

This one says it all. I wonder what alibi he’ll come up with this time. Let me guess: another accidental copy+paste? lol.

It’s funny how these accidents copypaste x quote keep happening at the perfect time and with the exact accounts involved. What a coincidence. Like what his keyboard just randomly copies applications from accounts that supposedly have nothing to do with each other?

I’m excited to see how he explains this one. At this point, his excuses might be more entertaining than the evidence itself. lol.

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September 01, 2026, 05:01:52 PM
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This one says it all. I wonder what alibi he’ll come up with this time. Let me guess: another accidental copy+paste? lol.

It’s funny how these accidents copypaste x quote keep happening at the perfect time and with the exact accounts involved. What a coincidence.
I'm going to explain what happened: they all went together to buy the plates and the pans for the pizza contest and then, while they were cooking all together in the same kitchen, by accident they mixed up their phones because they were all the same model and color, and by mistake each person was using somebody else's account because they all took part at the same signature campaign. It makes sense, doesn't it?

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September 02, 2026, 08:34:00 PM
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This one says it all. I wonder what alibi he’ll come up with this time. Let me guess: another accidental copy+paste? lol.

It’s funny how these accidents copypaste x quote keep happening at the perfect time and with the exact accounts involved. What a coincidence.
I'm going to explain what happened: they all went together to buy the plates and the pans for the pizza contest and then, while they were cooking all together in the same kitchen, by accident they mixed up their phones because they were all the same model and color, and by mistake each person was using somebody else's account because they all took part at the same signature campaign. It makes sense, doesn't it?

It actually might. Now you only need a few real life friends to make this story work. They will try to cover your ass no matter how stupid your story really is. They might even try to out-ridicule theymos. :/

I once read somewhere saying the superpower of a human is his/her ability to tell a story some smart-ass said. If enough number of people believes it, it becomes pretty much real.

The earth is flat btw. You know it and I know it. Wake up sheeple.

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September 02, 2026, 09:54:07 PM
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I'm going to explain what happened: they all went together to buy the plates and the pans for the pizza contest and then, while they were cooking all together in the same kitchen, by accident they mixed up their phones because they were all the same model and color, and by mistake each person was using somebody else's account because they all took part at the same signature campaign. It makes sense, doesn't it?
No, the story is too generic.  It happens to me every other Friday!

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I really want your expectations to be met. But do you believe in it yourself? Imagine someone who has already received such a sum from the forum(let's assume it's easy), leaving the forum quite easily? We haven't closed the "doors" to them; the forum is open. There's no IP address binding here; you can register with a different IP address, and we'll also add some points that will be like red lines for these cheaters , lines they must not cross. They're quite experienced cheaters now. And they will definitely come back. We told them everything they shouldn't do, but the "doors" on the forum are open.🤗

Even now, you can see the characteristic "sympathies" in the transfer of merits from these accounts to other accounts that already (most likely) belong to them (it always comes out in the plural, even though, in theory, we should be talking about one person🕵️‍♂️).

Honest answer: no.

In fact, I'm almost 100% certain they are already back.

$2,000 is not a small amount. The average monthly income for many families in Pakistan is only a few hundred dollars, and judging purely from the lengths these people went to for relatively small amounts, $2,000 could represent many months of income for them.

Anyway, putting that aside, the Pizza Contest win may simply have been a fluke—their good luck and the forum's bad luck. Previous Pizza Contests have been great events, and I don't think what happened this time should take anything away from that.

So, in the end, we don't really have a concrete way to stop them from coming back. We just have to be more vigilant and make it increasingly difficult for them to succeed.

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Tbh, I don't see how that would change anything. Once they get caught cheating, they would get red tagged, making their account useless for future money milking purposes, so why give the money back?

Well, you're right. Why would they even respond to such a request once they get caught? Creating another account is easy.

That's where I think we have to draw the line. Bitcointalk and theymos shouldn't be responsible for policing every contest while also keeping the forum open and fair to everyone. Being open and pseudonymous is a core feature of Bitcointalk, not a bug. And after all, the forum wasn't built specifically for organizing such contests.

So I think all participants could collectively help make these events more trustworthy. For example, there could be a short verification/cooldown period after the results are announced but before the prizes are distributed.

Let's say the total prize pool is above $1,000. There could be a 10-day verification period during which participants and other forum members can do some basic checks and raise concerns if they notice anything suspicious. This would also avoid putting the entire burden on the organizer(s). For smaller contests, perhaps 3–5 days would be enough.

The responsibility wouldn't be to prove that every participant is genuine, but simply to raise a flag if something looks suspicious before the money is distributed.

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What I found both extremely strange was that not a single member of the local board posted in the threads related to the accounts that primarily use the Pakistan board. They were aware of what was going on yet none posted to express disappointment at what their fellow board users were doing. Not only that, some did post in the CryptoYar merit source application to support him.

Account farmers do not fade away, they use other accounts to enroll in campaigns. If you give over $2000 in prize funds to a puppeteer controlling several accounts and then later tag the accounts to render them useless, the account farmer will not fade away. On the contrary, the account farmer will do whatever it takes in order to try to win more prizes. I am sure there are more accounts in that farm, it is just about having the time to discover them and then tag them.

You or i think someone else already pointed out one possible reason earlier: to avoid scrutiny of their own farms. Cheesy

Well, according to the latest stats shared by Rikafip, Mr., Mrs., Miss... or maybe they/them—you never know 😄—Sawera2255 is among the top 10.

And if you look at the post history of the Pakistan thread, there is hardly any discussion-oriented posting. Most of the posts are just news updates. So obviously, some users seem to be there simply to fulfill their monthly posting quota or pick up a merit here and there.

I doubt some of them are even reading what others are posting, so don't expect much discussion there about what's happening, let alone any critical evaluation of the actions of these alleged farms.




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It actually might. Now you only need a few real life friends to make this story work. They will try to cover your ass no matter how stupid your story really is. They might even try to out-ridicule theymos. :/

I once read somewhere saying the superpower of a human is his/her ability to tell a story some smart-ass said. If enough number of people believes it, it becomes pretty much real.

The earth is flat btw. You know it and I know it. Wake up sheeple.

Hahaha, this is why Bitcoin uses proof-of-work instead of proof-of-belief. 😄

Wait... isn't proof-of-stake basically proof-of-belief? 🤔

This also explains why PoS shouldn't be trusted. With proof-of-stake, apparently a big enough stake can even make the Earth flat. 😂

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This also explains why PoS shouldn't be trusted. With proof-of-stake, apparently a big enough stake can even make the Earth flat.😂

Make? WTF. Beliefs are irrelevant as far as facts are concerned. One may say earth is flat, or many believe the same and there may be circle jerk of the same delusion which may even create a concrete echo chamber which may be hard to be penetrated but once you go out in the space and see with your naked eye the fact is there, as it always was, while belief had no veracity to begin with.
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Honest answer: no.

In fact, I'm almost 100% certain they are already back.
Already back? I think they never left, for sure those were only a few of all the accounts they've been farming. As soon as they got caught, they immediately abandoned the accounts, why? Because they were already busy with the others.

That's where I think we have to draw the line. Bitcointalk and theymos shouldn't be responsible for policing every contest while also keeping the forum open and fair to everyone. Being open and pseudonymous is a core feature of Bitcointalk, not a bug. And after all, the forum wasn't built specifically for organizing such contests.
This kind of contest are something that goes beyond the regular forum so I totally disagree when somebody says "the contest should be open to everyone otherwise it would scare people away", no, it would not, because if you care about the forum you are going to post anyway, no matter whether you can take part or not in a pizza competition. Otherwise we'll ended up with a bunch of people who simply join the forum, post their pizza, win the contest and then they don't write a single post for a whole year until the next contest. How would that be fair to all the other users who actually contribute to the forum on a daily basis?

So I think all participants could collectively help make these events more trustworthy. For example, there could be a short verification/cooldown period after the results are announced but before the prizes are distributed.

Let's say the total prize pool is above $1,000. There could be a 10-day verification period during which participants and other forum members can do some basic checks and raise concerns if they notice anything suspicious. This would also avoid putting the entire burden on the organizer(s). For smaller contests, perhaps 3–5 days would be enough.
I would say that if any winner comes from a board notorious for cheating then the prize could be on hold even for months, until we are 100% sure the user is legit. 10 days are nothing, people have lives too, these investigations take a lot of time.

The responsibility wouldn't be to prove that every participant is genuine, but simply to raise a flag if something looks suspicious before the money is distributed.
At this point any user that is not somehow trusted or known by the community should be automatically checked, especially if the account is not that old.

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Today at 09:56:32 PM
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10 days are nothing, people have lives too, these investigations take a lot of time.
It would only work for an year or two any way, until they find a way to avoid getting caught.  They were simply not investigated, it is not like connections immediately appeared between the accounts only after a contest ended.

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