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July 29, 2026, 05:21:51 PM
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Today being the 29th day of July, makes it exactly 16 years that Satoshi nakamoto (the founder of bitcoin) made a remarkable comment on Bitcoin's scalability which many believed ended the whole debate on the subject..



He said, and I quote "if you don't believe me or don't get it, I don't have time to try to convince you, sorry."


What do you think about Bitcoin's scalability today? Do you think the bitcoin network is scalable enough to confirm hundreds of millions of transaction in minutes assuming it's the only network that exist in crypto and we all have to use it.?

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=532.msg6306#msg6306
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July 29, 2026, 05:53:11 PM
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What do you think about Bitcoin's scalability today? Do you think the bitcoin network is scalable enough to confirm hundreds of millions of transaction in minutes assuming it's the only network that exist in crypto and we all have to use it.?


Confirming hundreds of millions of transactions in minutes? NO

Bitcoin transactions base on the current block size even if all transactions are through Segwit addresses cannot actually propagate such number of transactions in a day talk more of in minutes. If you read through the thread the question was about 5 million transactions in a day which is around 35,000 transactions per block under the average 10 minutes, this too hasn’t actually come to reality because if you check the data from Mempool.space you find out that the average transactions per block is 4,000 to 5,000.

Now in a day where averagely the number of blocks to be confirmed is around 144 blocks that takes total transactions to be propagated to be around 567,000 to 720,000 transactions a day which is currently less than a million transactions a day.

Can this 5 million a day be possible in future? Yes but if the current block size remains I expect the use of second layer networks like lightning network more if base on your assumption that bitcoin is the only network available. I believe most of the micro transactions will be through second layer networks if bitcoin ever experience this kind of high network transactions

As for hundreds of millions of transactions, it is impossible with current metrics except we see a fork later

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July 29, 2026, 06:00:49 PM
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What do you think about Bitcoin's scalability today? Do you think the bitcoin network is scalable enough to confirm hundreds of millions of transaction in minutes assuming it's the only network that exist in crypto and we all have to use it.?

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=532.msg6306#msg6306
As @Zaguru12 answered, bitcoin does not process and is not the only blockchain in crypto, nowadays there are so many blockchains that are even faster than bitcoin, but Bitcoin is the first blockchain network in crypto without bitcoin (IDE) then crypto would never exist, and even if it existed it might be in another form, so it can be concluded that bitcoin is the main gateway for crypto

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July 29, 2026, 06:23:28 PM
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Well, that seems to be the limit to Satoshi invention, if knew there was a better solution than he proposed I think he will readily accept it because he seems to really want decentralized Bitcoin.

Relying on payment processor is like relying on centralized exchange or a third-party, which violate the peer-to-peer, decentralized, censorship resistance, no point of failure Principle.


By the way, nothing he said at the beginning of that  post goes against the new model of Super-nodes and lesser nodes idea once proposed on this forum, which ethereum "sidechain* projects, avalanche, and others seem to have copied. That idea was originally intended for Bitcoin but we have no problem with other opensource networks copying it for public/free usage.

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July 29, 2026, 06:24:40 PM
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What do you think about Bitcoin's scalability today? Do you think the bitcoin network is scalable enough to confirm hundreds of millions of transaction in minutes assuming it's the only network that exist in crypto and we all have to use it.?
Satoshi's statement is clearly an endorsement of second layers. Not everybody has to store and verify the whole blockchain history!

Both Lightning and Ark are mechanisms to use the blockchain only in the cases we need a double spend protection because there is a dispute between two users. "Normal" on chain transactions are a luxury: we use the double spend mechanism even if we have no intention to double spend. That's why scalability "looks" so hard now.

But yes, most methods have tradeoffs.

Lightning's problem is that it could handle the payment volume of hundreds of millions of users, but it would take years to onboard them (actually, it could onboard about 40 million per year). Users can share an account, but with pure Lightning it is then difficult to handle disputes correctly, which would mean involving trust again - subverting the

Ark is a variant of "Lightning with account sharing", in some form. So it has a much higher capacity. However, if the capacity of Ark is scaled too high, I imagine there will be problems when too many people want to use the unilateral exit. So I believe that the number of "billions anually who can be onboarded" has to be taken with a grain of salt.

The most scalable concept is probably sidechains. Sidechains do not provide an unilateral exit, they are more like Bitcoin stablecoins with a peg mechanism. But their capacity is really in the billions/year order of magnitude. But there are "not pure Bitcoin" because they rely on additional security assumptions, like a second consensus mechanism (even if it's merged mining, it's not 100% the mining security of the main chain).

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July 29, 2026, 06:37:20 PM
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^ Lightening Network has its big limitation, though better than centralized processors/exchanges.

Sidechains or Multichains auxiliary networks/systems are very scalable and with almost complete genetics of Bitcoin.

We need people who want to, to be able to run full nodes, control their data and take part in full network consensus. This is what the Supernetwork and subnetworks idea has been able to solve.




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