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August 19, 2026, 06:00:30 PM
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A technical note on Parano1d was published today on the Cryptography mailing list:
https://www.metzdowd.com/pipermail/cryptography/2026-August/039748.html
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August 19, 2026, 07:13:53 PM
Last edit: August 19, 2026, 07:26:47 PM by IgnotusNemo
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! Parano1d mainnet launch on August 21 at 16:00 UTC.
Binaries will be available a few hours earlier, giving everyone time to install and start their nodes. Mining will unlock automatically at 16:00 UTC, the genesis timestamp.

Testnet infrastructure has now been reduced to 2 seeds. Some existing nodes may still have the retired seed addresses cached, so their first reconnection or synchronization may take slightly longer during the transition. Fresh nodes will connect normally. Thanks to everyone who stress tested the network. It exposed real P2P liveness issues and they are now fixed before mainnet.


Since there will be another restart for mainet we dont keep the coins mined on the tesnet right?
Correct. Mainnet is a separate network with a new genesis. Testnet balances and mining rewards have no value on mainnet.

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August 19, 2026, 09:29:04 PM
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Fail alert

Performance proposal before release.

As a normal miner/user, I do not think the current version is ready for release.
Chain synchronization and miner synchronization are too slow.

The hashing is too heavy, and the code is not optimized enough for normal users.
SHA-256 should be used as an internal hashing algorithm where it is safe and compatible,
while Poseidon2b should remain for the actual PoW mining so the existing mining difficulty and security are preserved.

If the miner cannot synchronize quickly, create a block template in time, or find blocks before the next block arrives, normal users will simply stop using it.
If released in its current state, most users will ignore it and move on.

The developer has a choice:
make it fast and reliable enough for normal users, or risk all this work being for nothing.
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Today at 05:49:11 AM
Last edit: Today at 09:35:56 AM by IgnotusNemo
 #144

Performance proposal before release.

As a normal miner/user, I do not think the current version is ready for release.
Chain synchronization and miner synchronization are too slow.

The hashing is too heavy, and the code is not optimized enough for normal users.
SHA-256 should be used as an internal hashing algorithm where it is safe and compatible,
while Poseidon2b should remain for the actual PoW mining so the existing mining difficulty and security are preserved.

If the miner cannot synchronize quickly, create a block template in time, or find blocks before the next block arrives, normal users will simply stop using it.
If released in its current state, most users will ignore it and move on.

The developer has a choice:
make it fast and reliable enough for normal users, or risk all this work being for nothing.

A clean testnet full node syncs in around 20 seconds. Sync time does not grow the way it does on traditional blockchains. In ten years it should take minutes not days, so I think 20 seconds is a good tradeoff. Btw, as the P2P network grows, more nodes will share sync data making sync faster and more reliable.

Alternative hashes were not overlooked. Earlier builds deliberately used BLAKE3 for FRI Merkle commitments and PoW. I removed it from consensus when recursive verification was completed because the recursive proof must verify the entire hash path. Suggesting SHA-256 now ignores the exact reason BLAKE3 was removed and would make the proof path worse, not better. Poseidon2b is not used only for PoW. It is used for addresses, transactions, Merkle and State commitments, proof transcripts, recursion and block IDs. Replacing it would require rebuilding consensus, the proof system, production matrices and the security model. The delay in your logs is proof construction and verification, not a generic hash loop. Parano1d is not designed to make mining easy. PoW only orders already proof-valid transitions. More independent mining power strengthens that ordering layer. Ordinary users can run wallets and fully verifying nodes, but competitive mining is a separate workload and is not guaranteed on every machine.

I am not going to spend my time debating AI generated protocol redesigns anymore.
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Today at 06:38:52 AM
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I give up on this block finding:

CPU(s):                      12
  On-line CPU(s) list:       0-11
Vendor ID:                   GenuineIntel
  BIOS Vendor ID:            QEMU
  Model name:                Intel Xeon Processor (SapphireRapids)

INFO mining complete block height=15449 txs=1 user_pages=0 proof_class=B25 prepare_ms=32284

This evening, I tested an EPYC 7313P on the testnet.  It built proof_class B25 in 12.4 to 12.5 seconds.  Arguably an EPYC 7313P is either a medium or high performance processor, depending on exactly what one considers "medium" or "high".

Taking 32.3 seconds is a long time in context.  I guess your setup (perhaps 12 vCPUs running under a QEMU virtual machine) is not fast enough to suit this coin's nonlinearity.

But you already know that.  Just providing the additional datapoint.
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