Signature campaign tempban

[xLays]

This would be absolute chaos if it actually happened. Imagine those users with only one account who genuinely rely on their bitcointalk signature income to help feed their families. I know that's technically not our problem, but from humanitarian point of view completely shutting down all campaigns for weeks or months will be bit too harsh for them.

It would definitely be interesting to see the result though. But yeah like other said, don’t drag everyone else into your situation.

[vapourminer]

since my name was mentioned..

so... did i read this right.. all sig earners take a two week enforced sig timeout because OP got caught and is butthurt?


lolooollollol

nah leave the campaigners alone. no two week ban vote from me. and i am no fan of campaigns either but hey capitalism.

[JeromeTash]

Why are signature campaigns becoming an issue all of a sudden?

OP, you had an option to appeal for the signature ban, and if I recall well, it appears you had accepted your fate about being sig banned instead of appealing and trying to reason it out with Nutildah on why you didn't deserve the ban. Do you think it's fair to disrupt forum activity even if it's for a day just because something unfortunate happened to you?

[Alvin_talk]

This would be absolute chaos if it actually happened. Imagine those users with only one account who genuinely rely on their bitcointalk signature income to help feed their families. I know that's technically not our problem, but from humanitarian point of view completely shutting down all campaigns for weeks or months will be bit too harsh for them.

Although, I do not support the idea of banning signature campaigns but it is not a wise idea to view the forum as your primary source of income, maybe secondary. Lets be realistic, owning one account can not feed a family, so I don't think any genuine member will depend solely on this forum for their income. This is the reason why we have so many alts cheating in campaigns today, because they depend solely on the forum for financial balance.

[snipie]

Why are signature campaigns becoming an issue all of a sudden?

OP, you had an option to appeal for the signature ban, and if I recall well, it appears you had accepted your fate about being sig banned instead of appealing and trying to reason it out with Nutildah on why you didn't deserve the ban. Do you think it's fair to disrupt forum activity even if it's for a day just because something unfortunate happened to you?

The quality of the discussion started to improve in the last posts finally. It is a hot discussion right now
I didn't call for a permanent ban for signature campaign, it is just a test period for few days? weeks? months? at worst. As you mentioned that I didn't make a proper appeal so linking what happened to what I did is not relevant. I just got more time to think outside of the gambling section and do few deep research about some names.

Although, I do not support the idea of banning signature campaigns but it is not a wise idea to view the forum as your primary source of income, maybe secondary. Lets be realistic, owning one account can not feed a family, so I don't think any genuine member will depend solely on this forum for their income. This is the reason why we have so many alts cheating in campaigns today, because dey depend solely on the forum for financial balance.

Neither me permanently and I remember I was against that, and still. It depends from the country you are in but if the activity here could feed a family then you can imagine the consequences if this information spreads there.

since my name was mentioned..

so... did i read this right.. all sig earners take a two week enforced sig timeout because OP got caught and is butthurt?


lolooollollol

nah leave the campaigners alone. no two week ban vote from me. and i am no fan of campaigns either but hey capitalism.

Those who don't hide anything, should have nothing to be afraid from

[Churchillvv]

This is exactly what I was saying yesterday, whenever someone is dissatisfied with the forum they resort to suggesting a new rule or regulation, it is now a common practice for most people here because op here got sug ban he wants to see what will happen when no one is in a campaign but however let me remind you go to wall observer thread, find out how many are campaign participants and you will understand that not everyone is here for campaign.

[TokenTikas]

Some users are getting SigBan for their own low quality activities, so it is completely stupid to advise campaign managers to stop the ongoing campaign. According to the rank of your account, I never expected this kind of post from you or the matter of advising campaign managers to stop signatures. People who cannot maintain quality and quantity are getting (SigBan) and on the other hand, those who maintain quality and quantity are getting opportunities and I am undoubtedly looking into the matter well.

I understand where you're coming from mate, because you were given sigban till next year is the reason why you came up with this idea which is not healthy for the forum members on signature campaign. Let's be honest, assuming your account wasn't sig banned would you have come up with this suggestion.

It's very easy to understand that if his account did not get (SigBan) then he definitely would not say these kinds of things. After getting (SigBan), maybe he is not able to understand anything because of which he said this kind of thing. However, he can appeal, if according to his activities it seems good then maybe after full consideration of the (SigBan) matter they may also do it, but instead of saying about stopping the campaign like this, it would have been better if he appealed.

[snipie]

but however let me remind you go to wall observer thread, find out how many are campaign participants and you will understand that not everyone is here for campaign.

With respect, the first part of your post was answered earlier. No need to repeat the same thing over and over, it just shows that you just jumped over the title only and posted your reply.
I can ask you too to take a look on the Ivory Tower and Serious discussion. You can read one of my topic about them when I used to be more active here: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5553999. I came up sometimes with controversial thing although I wasn't sanctioned in Ivory Tower for example.

[LoyceV]

@OP: this isn't a democracy, it doesn't matter whether or not we agree.
This topic feels like butthurt, as you are:

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Banned from displaying signatures until January 24, 2027, 07:01:34 AM

Did you suddenly lose the urge to post on the Gambling boards?

...I do not think this kind of topic should be allowed to exist at all on the forum.

LoyceV, come and see someone fighting freedom of speech lol

Is there anything bad that I posted? I did not even know that he is sigbanned already. If you like, you can try and support him more.

Why me? Okay, I'll bite: of course this topic should be allowed to be discussed! That doesn't mean it should happen. This post comes to mind:

The things on the forum which encourage spam are allowed mainly because it's part of the forum's mission to be as free as possible. Eg. banning bounties would undoubtedly reduce spam, but that'd be destroying an entire economy/population/culture which has been able to develop due to the forum's freedom. I am willing to take this sort of action, but only as an absolute last resort. It's always preferable to handle these problems by reshaping the environment to make them non-problems, rather than removing some freedom.

It's wonderful when someone is able to constructively do something on the forum instead of continuing with whatever they were expected to do under the status quo. Enabling that sort of thing is exactly why Bitcoin and this forum were created. Though bitcointalk.org is not a worldwide welfare organization, and people are not entitled to make money.

(click the quote for full context)

[NotATether]

This would be absolute chaos if it actually happened. Imagine those users with only one account who genuinely rely on their bitcointalk signature income to help feed their families. I know that's technically not our problem, but from humanitarian point of view completely shutting down all campaigns for weeks or months will be bit too harsh for them.

That doesn't sound like a healthy financial situation.

[Shishir99]

Now I understand why you had to write almost 11K posts to earn 161 merits. You have earned 0.01490603 Merits per post, which is a big number, of course. I wonder why you did not propose something like this a few months ago, before you got the signature ban? Is it because you were making money? I wonder which campaign hired you with this kind of merit ratio.

I have one suggestion for you: Do not think about others too much. Think about yourself. Try to improve yourself. Get back to nutildah when you think you are doing well. Oil your own machine while you're looking for others to get banned.

[LoyceV]

That doesn't sound like a healthy financial situation.

Many people don't have a healty financial situation But if you live in a country where your signature campaign equals a monthly salary, I really don't get why you'd shitpost! Put effort into it and become a contributing forum member instead of just shitposting, so you're not one signature ban away from losing your easy money.

[PostQuantumBTC]

That doesn't sound like a healthy financial situation.

Many people don't have a healty financial situation But if you live in a country where your signature campaign equals a monthly salary, I really don't get why you'd shitpost! Put effort it and become a contributing forum member instead of just shitposting, so you're not one signature ban away from losing your easy money.

If an employee is not doing what his boss is telling him to do, and if the person continue what does not contribute to the progress of the company, the boss can fire the person at anytime. For someone that think like that, he should think about this. If the boss did not sack the person but give him suspension and it is a good paying job, the person should be very happy. Look for other job but still contacting the boss sometimes (which means continue posting on the forum). If the job is not paying like the boss job, he can come back later. His good work will let him get paid again.

[libert19]

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Though bitcointalk.org is not a worldwide welfare organization

This gave me a giggle.

[LoyceV]

If an employee is not doing what his boss is telling him to do, and if the person continue what does not contribute to the progress of the company, the boss can fire the person at anytime.

There are different interests at stake here: the campaign manager is the "boss", who's interests are with the company that pays him. From that perspective, spamming the forum can be profitable and spammers won't get fired by their campaign manager. That's why many campaigns hire spammers, as long as they get away with it.
As a forum user, spam is not in my interest and I think (most of) the Sigbans they received make the forum a better place.

[vapourminer]

But if you live in a country where your signature campaign equals a monthly salary, I really don't get why you'd shitpost! Put effort it and become a contributing forum member instead of just shitposting, so you're not one signature ban away from losing your easy money.

very much this. there are many posters whos sigs do not define their post count and topics and character counts. they post actual content here 1st, the sig requirements are secondary. cool.

but shitposting for money? sorry. sigban. as yall are (or are supposed to be) held to a higher standard

anyway i shitpost for free, just for reference.

[Rikafip]

But if you live in a country where your signature campaign equals a monthly salary, I really don't get why you'd shitpost!

I guess because up until recently, it financially made more sense to create a couple of accounts, rank them up (which isn't that hard at the moment), and churn out mindless drivel than focus on one account.

These recent sig bans have changed things a bit, so some of them might change their approach and focus on one account and therefore increase the post quality.

[Bitcoin-Forever]

Can I ask also gently for a tempban for let's say 2 weeks for all managers during that. I want to see how many famous persons will disappear during this ban period to avoid ban evasion.

Ban on this forum regardless of the status on the ban should not be a child's Play or for testing sake, that is why the law is there and anyone that goes against it face the consequence, be it a moderator, merit source, campaign manager or any other forum member, no one is above the law and once you see a ban is being placed on a user, then know that every reason to why this is being issued is valid.

It is what you have in mind and in abundance that you speak out; you only throw your opinion or idea, and this does not mean it is 100% acceptable, so don't be scared when people rake all manner of attack on you over this.

[OsaiEmma]

anyway i shitpost for free, just for reference.

Hahahaha, this is so dope. I guess it's nice to have humor like this in times like these that are tension filled.


In response to the OP, I think twill be a good idea. I know a lot of members are currently on edge due to the sig ban policy currently on ground. So, a  month or 2 relief from worrying if you'd wake up to a sig ban, or completing your post quota, and just engage freely and naturally without bothering about anything will really ease up the tension in the forum right now.

A lot of members that don't come to the meta board are doing so, this alone shows how intense things are right now.

[Smartvirus]

The big question for me is;

And then what?

After having to go through all those temp bans on campaigns, ruin the gambling economy that exists on the forum and that which campaigns bring to the forum,

We get the answer, only to bring it right back to continue from where we left off…

What would have being the purpose or have being archived.

I suppose it’s having to have gone plain with you OP based on the ban.