Signature campaign tempban

[snipie]

@OP: this isn't a democracy, it doesn't matter whether or not we agree.
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Did you suddenly lose the urge to post on the Gambling boards?

It is just a poll. I have a point behind using it and it is not intended to make any pressure on admins of course. I removed the part that I already answered before and I didn't want to see it from a serious member. The last part of the quote was partly answered in other topics. It is related to the dedicated time I have and how to distribute it. Reading posts here alone and replying to it costs me half of it.

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I recall many posts of theymos in particular because I consider him as a serious and let's say clean person trying to improve the forum. Thus doesn't mean that I agree with all of his ideas and actions. Sometimes a try period in some sections for anything new could reduce the damage done when applied globally.

Now I understand why you had to write almost 11K posts to earn 161 merits.
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So I made all the 10803 posts after the merit system was invented? By the way I was in the same signature campaign as you so show some respect @Little Mouse. I refrain from dealing further with such superficial way of thinking. You are trying to increase your post in a silly manner.
By the way, I have here 3 998 days from registration, you can make your calculation (you can use AI to avoid mistakes from what I see here).

As a forum user, spam is not in my interest and I think (most of) the Sigbans they received make the forum a better place.

Can I suggest that you (forums) make a new list about members that should never (or temporarily not) join signature campaigns and force all managers to check it before accepting these members? + check it periodically to kick those mentioned there? That would get ride easily from the non cooperative managers and his followers. Restricting the usage of avatar and signature is not relevant for single users.
I don't mind topping that list (like that I avoid seeing people posting random thing about me because of this idea).

Ban on this forum regardless of the status on the ban should not be a child's Play or for testing sake, that is why the law is there and anyone that goes against it face the consequence, be it a moderator, merit source, campaign manager or any other forum member, no one is above the law and once you see a ban is being placed on a user, then know that every reason to why this is being issued is valid.

It is what you have in mind and in abundance that you speak out; you only throw your opinion or idea, and this does not mean it is 100% acceptable, so don't be scared when people rake all manner of attack on you over this.

There is an immunity for some users here. That's undeniable until they make a mistake that cannot be forgiven. Testing? You can get a lot of information and drawing things from that. By the way, I am not scared about the attacks I got. I didn't do anything wrong or against the law. People might get irritated once they see a threat and attacking the person is the easiest way to make the process looks biased. You can take a look on politics how they discredit themselves by using personal stuff rather than discussion the threat itself.

- That's exhausting and time consuming -

[ryzaadit]

It is just a poll. I have a point behind using it and it is not intended to make any pressure on admins of course.

How long is it open? Now, 74% of people voted for NO. You should already got the answer right ?

Can I suggest that you (forums) make a new list about members that should never (or temporarily not) join signature campaigns and force all managers to check it before accepting these members? + check it periodically to kick those mentioned there? That would get ride easily from the non cooperative managers and his followers. Restricting the usage of avatar and signature is not relevant for single users.
I don't mind topping that list (like that I avoid seeing people posting random thing about me because of this idea).

This obligation is neither for Staff nor Forum Member. These are 100% on the manager of the campaign to create their own list or accept the participant based on their post history.

Running a campaign is not an easy task and it requires someone actively monitoring participants daily and this cannot be left to Staff to deal with or for other users to report to you.

As a signature campaign operator you will ultimately be held responsible for the quality of posts of users bearing your signature advertisement and you will need to monitor your users closely or it will be quickly abused.

I agree with most other view, temp ban or long ban for the campaign. They will still keep posting maybe decrease a bit for at least 30%, and then continue again once the campaign is open. For long bans some users who are forum members will continue as usual, but users who are chasing the campaign will stop and sleep. Once is open, they will wake up, create a post with a few weeks' length, and then apply again for the campaign.

[m2017]

Since I read every couple weeks members mentioning signature ban,

A discussion on the forum doesn't mean that there are plans to implement a ban. This discussion is solely between users.

then can I suggest a temporary ban or let's call it a pause for few weeks or months of every signature campaign in bitcointalk?

What a coincidence to hear suggestions of this kind from a user with no signature.
 

What's the purpose? It gives the staff an idea about what could happen once signature campaigns activity stop.

It is already clear what will happen: the forum's audience reach will shrink, and user activity will decline.

Who will be left to clean up this mess later? You - the one proposing this brilliant experiment?

It might have a positive impact, it might force spammers to leave once they lost their salary, who knows!

Spammers will wait out this "silence" period (a couple of weeks or months) and then return.

The problem with this experiment might be that the forum will never be the same again.

Can I ask also gently for a tempban for let's say 2 weeks for all managers during that. I want to see how many famous persons will disappear during this ban period to avoid ban evasion. It is just a curiosity and you can neglect that itchy proposition of course. Don't take that personally lovely managers, you are doing a great job for most of you.
Regards.

Are you suggesting we "kill the business" just to satisfy your curiosity? Of course, every manager would agree to that in a heartbeat.

Edit: before jumping to the last post or the post of one known user then reply, try to take a look on the other posts and reply. Thank you for your time..
By the way, I am not angry, I just have a point.

Alright, I’ve taken your recommendation on board and moved straight to replying to your post.

By the way, you’re going to get annoyed when you read the user comments on your idea.

[Betwrong]

Maybe if you had started this topic before you were sig banned it would have made more sense. But right now you have nothing to lose, my guess is that you started this thread because you are frustrated by your sig ban since you can't just milk the forum yet, therefore you want others to have a taste of your current condition. Sorry its not gonna happen, request denied!

That's basically what I wanted to say. But personalities aside, I think banning signature campaigns even temporarily is a bad idea. The fact that very prosperous companies want to advertise on this forum puts this forum alongside those places where prosperous companies want to advertise. It's very prestigious and it's business. You don't play with such things. You will never hear a grand stadium going, "We decided to ban adds on our premises for a couple of weeks to see what happens." No one does that.

[Free Market Capitalist]

The fact that very prosperous companies want to advertise on this forum puts this forum alongside those places where prosperous companies want to advertise.

That's right—a forum where nobody wants to advertise is basically a crappy forum.

It's very prestigious and it's business. You don't play with such things. You will never hear a grand stadium going, "We decided to ban adds on our premises for a couple of weeks to see what happens." No one does that.

And yet there have been high-profile cases of companies that advertised in stadiums and then went to hell, like Enron, or the famous FTX case. The world isn't perfect.

[LFC_Bitcoin]

So OP has a temp signature ban until January 2027. He has only now decided that he wants theymos to conduct a forum wide signature ban to see how the forum reacts, how posting behaviours are affected.

I might take his opinion seriously if he didn’t have a temp ban himself. Some people here are from poor countries, are good posters and really rely on their campaign earnings.

Respectfully, I have to say OP is butt hurt and others shouldn’t be punished just because he has been.

[vapourminer]

So OP has a temp signature ban until January 2027. He has only now decided that he wants theymos to conduct a forum wide signature ban to see how the forum reacts, how posting behaviours are affected.

there may be enough people sig bans now that statistically we dont need anymore for this study. we can just watch how the currently sig banned folks react.

edit: well thats assuming that like 80% of them are not alts of each other

[examplens]

So OP has a temp signature ban until January 2027. He has only now decided that he wants theymos to conduct a forum wide signature ban to see how the forum reacts, how posting behaviours are affected.

I might take his opinion seriously if he didn’t have a temp ban himself. Some people here are from poor countries, are good posters and really rely on their campaign earnings.

Respectfully, I have to say OP is butt hurt and others shouldn’t be punished just because he has been.

This works for me, if there's nothing in the signature for him, let's make it like that for everyone on the forum.
Either with snipie or not at all.

The worst side of his case is that he has almost 4k activity on the forum, 11k posts, and only 161 merit earned.

[Upgrade00]

Can I suggest that you (forums) make a new list about members that should never (or temporarily not) join signature campaigns and force all managers to check it before accepting these members? + check it periodically to kick those mentioned there?

I can't find it now but there's a list of spammers which I've seen and it's been referenced in the neutral trust of some profiles I've come across too.
But you cannot "force" managers to do anything. Most already have a quality requirement from their participants in order to deliver quality promotion for the brand sponsoring the campaign

Edit; I found it https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=4440941.0
Probably is outdated now cause the user managing the thread has been inactive for a while.

[lovesmayfamilis]

If people determined the time frame, the exact time to limit the existence of the signature, little would change. The place where they have ever received something financially will attract them for a long time with the hope of returning to the old days.

Take a look at the topics with bounty companies now. They are still alive. It's not clear what's going on there now, but the history of the past still haunts some people, thinking that one day their "business" will hit the target.

You know, it's like the experience with rats and people who, wandering through a maze, found some cheese and the other dollars. So the rats realized earlier that the distribution was closed, and there was no more cheese, and people wandered for a long time, hoping to find what they wanted.

Therefore, if there is a deadline, then spammers, as someone has already said, will be given time to multiply their accounts in order to start all over again but with more activity in order to make up for the "lost" time for them.

[SquirrelJulietGarden]

Edit; I found it https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=4440941.0
Probably is outdated now cause the user managing the thread has been inactive for a while.

It's a very old thread and @actmyname has been no longer active in the forum since two years ago. This user had his test on spamming pace for one hour in the past.

[EXPERIMENT] Testing the Limits of Shitposting.

In fact, @actmyname is very sensitive against spamming and spammers.
How to write posts like a degenerate spammer.
Spam Methods: Artificial Text Generation.

Signature campaign managers need to do their management jobs and they can use the list of actmyname or don't use it, it's not a mandatory condition of their own management.

[snipie]

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Can I ask you gently to post with your main account?
At some users above, try to discuss the idea itself rather than coming here to attack and say nonsense. Anything can be implemented if needed..
By the way I find it funny to see people whining about a newbie making a controversial post and asking him to post with his real account while when a legit user do that, they attack him. Is it hard to agree or disagree and post your arguments? Try to be civilised and polite please. Thanks.

[lovesmayfamilis]

In fact, @actmyname is very sensitive against spamming and spammers.

Spam Methods: Artificial Text Generation.

He seemed to be looking into the future. Seven years have passed, and we can still agree that AI is complete garbage for the forum.

I imagine that in the future, many more posts will be leveraging AI use.

"AI" nowadays seems to be a buzzword substitution for "software". There is nothing "intelligent" about it, not at this level anyway. It might be able to generate a sentence, perhaps even answer a simple question that's been answered before (i.e. google it) but not to create an idea, or to defend an opinion, or pretty much anything else of what makes a discussion forum work. So if this shit spreads, it will either turn into a cesspit of meaningless wordy diarrhea (some say it's already happened) or we'll have to clean it out. We don't even have to know if it's generated by AI - if it's garbage it needs to be deleted, and if AI becomes smart enough to prove me wrong... Come to think of it, some of the trolls might be AI, you don't need much intelligence to repeat "earth is a pancake with a magic metal roof" ad nauseum.

[SuperBitMan]

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Can I ask you gently to post with your main account?

snipie you are actually very funny . What do you mean by LFC_Bitcoin should post with his main account, what makes you think that account is not his main account, that account has been in this forum for 12 years now, even a newbie in this forum will know that the LFC_Bitcoin account is his main account.

snipie your idea would have been more appreciated if you bought it up when you have not been given signature ban, bringing this kind of idea now obviously means you just bought it up because you have already been given signature ban and you want others to be in the same shoe with you.
This shows you can plan for your friends to get sacked from their job, when you have been sacked. Grow up and act more mature.
Focus on making educative and informative post. I know you are feeling bad but the signature ban is not forever, so don’t feel too bad.

[snipie]

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Can I ask you gently to post with your main account?

snipie you are actually very funny . What do you mean by LFC_Bitcoin should post with his main account, what makes you think that account is not his main account, that account has been in this forum for 12 years now, even a newbie in this forum will know that the LFC_Bitcoin account is his main account.

snipie your idea would have been more appreciated if you bought it up when you have not been given signature ban, bringing this kind of idea now obviously means you just bought it up because you have already been given signature ban and you want others to be in the same shoe with you.
This shows you can plan for your friends to get sacked from their job, when you have been sacked. Grow up and act more mature.
Focus on making educative and informative post. I know you are feeling bad but the signature ban is not forever, so don’t feel too bad.

I appreciate your intervention. The grow up part would be move to the elderly house in my case.
As I said before, I don't have any intention to see people starving because there is no more signature campaign. I fail to understand why most people posting here think that I was calling for a permanent ban although it is clear that the suggestion is about a limited period. Not getting money for a couple of weeks will not harm anyone no? If it is the case then we have a problem here.

[vapourminer]

Not getting money for a couple of weeks will not harm anyone no? If it is the case then we have a problem here.

your speaking for others apparently less fortunate than yourself is not doing your reputation any favors

seems like you are the one with the problem here

[Hatchy]

If you really want to test anything, then put 2 years ban on everything related to earning .. Campaigns will move, posting will greatly reduce, Managers will leave to focus on other things, Some boards will turn to graveyard. Yet, some users and  users who aren’t really here to earn will still keep the forum alive

I can think of a few group of people who will still be very active on the forum if promotions were removed. But the main group on the list would be the wall observer gangs. Those people really have not much concern about what happens outside the walls of that thread. They will not be interested in what happens if the promotions were removed by the admin. Then maybe some forum staffs will still be active but with time, this place will slowly grow into a grave yard. The forum wasn't built for promotions or stuffs like gambling, but over the years those things have made it so much interesting. They are what keeps the fun going.

I can understand op's concern, but he didn't really put out his request in a good way. Just because he got a signature ban and probably not happy shouldn't be a good reason for him to create thread like this as no body will take him seriously..

[snipie]

Not getting money for a couple of weeks will not harm anyone no? If it is the case then we have a problem here.

your speaking for others apparently less fortunate than yourself is not doing your reputation any favors

seems like you are the one with the problem here

If I have a problem because I said that then I ask you to read the previous posts and make a quick search about what elite posters in this forum are saying about this too. You would be surprised about the names endorsing this.

Edit: I am talking seriously in this topic. I am not trolling here and I ask gently the others to not post garbage. Thanks for your time.

[Alvin_talk]

That's basically what I wanted to say. But personalities aside, I think banning signature campaigns even temporarily is a bad idea. The fact that very prosperous companies want to advertise on this forum puts this forum alongside those places where prosperous companies want to advertise. It's very prestigious and it's business. You don't play with such things. You will never hear a grand stadium going, "We decided to ban adds on our premises for a couple of weeks to see what happens." No one does that.

Well, what can I say. It will be such a mess if what the OP proposed is approved. What OP is proposing is far much heavier. Banning all users signatures means both paid ads as well as free ads won't be allowed in the forum, Imagine loyceV without the cycling avatar (so ridiculous, isn't it?). Projects like Bitlist.co, OrangeFren, BTCcleanup, Bitmixlist, etc, should be put on hold just because a bias user wants others to be in same shoes with him, that is ridiculous. I'd say this thread has just exposed and revealed to other users the personality of the OP, he actually wants to spread his disease to every user.

[Supreme Donvic]

If you really want to test anything, then put 2 years ban on everything related to earning .. Campaigns will move, posting will greatly reduce, Managers will leave to focus on other things, Some boards will turn to graveyard. Yet, some users and  users who aren’t really here to earn will still keep the forum alive

I can think of a few group of people who will still be very active on the forum if promotions were removed. But the main group on the list would be the wall observer gangs. Those people really have not much concern about what happens outside the walls of that thread. They will not be interested in what happens if the promotions were removed by the admin. Then maybe some forum staffs will still be active but with time, this place will slowly grow into a grave yard. The forum wasn't built for promotions or stuffs like gambling, but over the years those things have made it so much interesting. They are what keeps the fun going.

I can understand op's concern, but he didn't really put out his request in a good way. Just because he got a signature ban and probably not happy shouldn't be a good reason for him to create thread like this as no body will take him seriously..

You are right, those guys in the wall observer thread will continue to be in this forum and continue discussing in that thread, they are just having fun over there, and again we have some members who have not advertise for any company since I came to this forum, those set of people will also remain in this forum.
Generally what keeps this forum this active with a lot of traffic and engagement is the business side of the forum, and the more people visit this forum the more valuable and exciting it become.
The goal of this forum is to be free as possible. The reason for that goal is to attract more people. If this forum is not free, a lot of people will leave and the traffic and engagement in this forum will drops, that's the fact.

The OP is not thinking straight that was why he created this thread, who in his reasonable senses will suggest signature ban for everyone, for no reason.