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August 23, 2026, 07:18:34 PM
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The argument is that the United States of America would have close to no national debt if tax players funds are utilized to what they approve of.

What we've witnessed recently in the American economy is that tax players are becoming increasingly unwilling to make their statutory contributions in form of taxes to the the American government.

Naturally, people are not against paying taxes for things that the government are responsible for doing, the disagreement is when the government decides to spend the revenue generated from taxes on things that the citizens would not necessarily approve of,b things that the government both at state and federal level shouldn't be spending on, put that alongside the waste fraud abuse and a lot of this NGO loop back money that ends up coming back into political parties.

A typical example is the $40 million dollar a week to the Taliban for more than a year.

Another is the million dollars in cash sent out of the Minneapolis airport to Somalia.

America would have no national debt if not for waste, fraud and abuse.
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August 23, 2026, 08:27:30 PM
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What we've witnessed recently in the American economy is that tax players are becoming increasingly unwilling to make their statutory contributions in form of taxes to the the American government.
It is not a case of Americans unwilling to pay taxes, it is more about government expenditure well surpassing revenue that the government generates through taxes. This forces them to borrow, in order to cover the deficit.
America would have no national debt if not for waste, fraud and abuse.
That is not completely true, a lot of these funds also go into essential projects. Mind you that the United States provide huge financial support for a lot of vital global organization, such as W.H.O, U.N., UNICEF, etc. So it is not only about funding wars, they also provide strong support for essential organizations.

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August 23, 2026, 09:47:26 PM
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While its true that there are some citizens feel reluctant to pay their taxes but majority are still paying their taxes on time. Otherwise, they will be issued with heavy legal penalties if they will avoid their obligation in paying their own taxes.

However, I don't think this is the issue. The US national debt increased more not because the government misuse the people's funds but because the government spends more more than their tax collection. In order to support continuously their health and medicare, social security, national defense, and other factors like education, agriculture and transportation, the government needs to add more debt so they can successfully cater all these things.

It's a big impossible that US should have not acquired national debt, because in reality, a country will definitely resort into borrowing money so they can fund public services and grow their current economy.

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August 23, 2026, 09:53:30 PM
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The argument is that the United States of America would have close to no national debt if tax players funds are utilized to what they approve of.
Save yourself the stress on some unnecessary arguments If so. It has been like a normalcy or traditional that is legally embraced that any top governments can actually make budgets with the public funds to execute public projects that drives developments in the societies and also influential in economy sectors.  

With the funds that are generated from the taxes being projected to use in executing those implemented projects, it is no more news that it has  become a usual that every countries, is always that corrupted governments that embezzles the public funds and remains unquestionable if act is exhibited from the higher authorities.
I am trying to say the corruption there in the US Politics is as corrupted that the does not serve transparent and honest services to the people.

There are other amenities that generates even higher values of incomes for the United States and every other countries but yet so not give proper accounts of the expenses.
I am trying to say that it is not only the taxing sectors that the corruptions is exhibited but in all means that generates public funds.


 
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August 23, 2026, 10:46:35 PM
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The argument is that the United States of America would have close to no national debt if tax players funds are utilized to what they approve of.

What we've witnessed recently in the American economy is that tax players are becoming increasingly unwilling to make their statutory contributions in form of taxes to the the American government.

Naturally, people are not against paying taxes for things that the government are responsible for doing, the disagreement is when the government decides to spend the revenue generated from taxes on things that the citizens would not necessarily approve of,b things that the government both at state and federal level shouldn't be spending on, put that alongside the waste fraud abuse and a lot of this NGO loop back money that ends up coming back into political parties.

A typical example is the $40 million dollar a week to the Taliban for more than a year.

Another is the million dollars in cash sent out of the Minneapolis airport to Somalia.

America would have no national debt if not for waste, fraud and abuse.

This calls for serious concern,  how will government decides to create a problem that has no economic benefits to the country in question then expect citizens to pay for the settlement of those problems.
It will be more profitable or better if the government looks into why citizens are finding it difficult paying as they used to pay before now, then find all possible way of balancing the situation so citizens can continue as it used to be before now.
This issue of tax needs to be scrutinised because the rate at which tax payment is increasing is getting alarming and needs to be controlled because what we are talking about here is money and it is difficult to get

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August 24, 2026, 06:26:16 AM
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The high standard of living has long been maintained solely at the expense of public debt and for no other reason. Therefore, a United States without public debt is absurd. Real production has long been moved to other countries, and the economy is maximally financialized, which means a reduction in the economy’s ability to create surplus value, since in this form the economy merely redistributes speculative profits. Therefore, the government’s misallocation or inefficient use of tax revenues is likely a trifle that has very little impact on the size of the public debt.

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A typical example is the $40 million a week to the Taliban for more than a year.
The US caused a humanitarian crisis in Afghanistan. It is morally right for them to support people who are starving and sick because they caused this crisis. The amount that was spent on these humanitarian activities cannot be compared to about $2.3 trillion of taxpayers' money spent on the conflict in that country.

It is also noted that an estimated $9.5 billion worth of assets belonging to the Afghan Central Bank has been frozen by the US goverment. The amount the US is spending in that country might be part of their frozen assets.
https://www.aljazeera.com/economy/2021/8/18/us-freezes-afghan-central-banks-assets-of-9-5bn

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America would have no national debt if not for waste, fraud and abuse.
You are right that fraud and abuse contribute to the US debt, but none is close to the amount spent on wars. Since the dollar is a major global currency, the US debt could be seen as safe since it could get loans at a lower cost.

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August 24, 2026, 09:31:14 AM
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The argument is that the United States of America would have close to no national debt if tax players funds are utilized to what they approve of.

Do we know the number of International affairs the United States of America has always been committed itself to engaging, all things are financially demanding and that is why they will also have to go into debt because they needed to maintain some of their operations from across the world, while what they are generating to what they needed may significantly go below what they could earn from just tax alone, issues like this make it inevitable to go in debt as well.

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August 24, 2026, 11:47:11 AM
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A typical example is the $40 million dollar a week to the Taliban for more than a year.

The biggest reason is to spread dominance, which is why America's lending is not only related to economics but also has a political and power relationship with it. And your saying that America gave loans to the Taliban is a completely wrong idea. That money was not given to the Taliban authority or deposited in the Central Bank of Afghanistan, but it was to be used for some aid fund designated by the UN. It has been fighting the Taliban for twenty years not to help them but to occupy them.

America would have no national debt if not for waste, fraud and abuse.
You have to understand why America can interfere in other independent countries of the world because they need to provide various types of assistance to maintain peace in the world and show themselves as a superpower. Another thing is that America runs the largest economy in the world, so analyzing their debt in this simple way is not enough. America's debt has not increased only because of corruption, but there are many valid reasons why it has increased.

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The argument is that the United States of America would have close to no national debt if tax players funds are utilized to what they approve of.

What we've witnessed recently in the American economy is that tax players are becoming increasingly unwilling to make their statutory contributions in form of taxes to the the American government.

Naturally, people are not against paying taxes for things that the government are responsible for doing, the disagreement is when the government decides to spend the revenue generated from taxes on things that the citizens would not necessarily approve of,b things that the government both at state and federal level shouldn't be spending on, put that alongside the waste fraud abuse and a lot of this NGO loop back money that ends up coming back into political parties.

A typical example is the $40 million dollar a week to the Taliban for more than a year.

Another is the million dollars in cash sent out of the Minneapolis airport to Somalia.

America would have no national debt if not for waste, fraud and abuse.
For me I think that American avoids using tax payers money to fund the important aspect of the government. I am not pro Trump but I think America's wastefulness did not just begin with Donald Trump's administration.

America are seen as the powerhouse of the world America is sponsoring several programs that helps other countries world wide all this are part of what tax payers money are being used for, but honestly If they stop some of those programs it would be felt negatively by those countries who are dependent on them.

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The argument is that the United States of America would have close to no national debt if tax players funds are utilized to what they approve of.

What we've witnessed recently in the American economy is that tax players are becoming increasingly unwilling to make their statutory contributions in form of taxes to the the American government.

Naturally, people are not against paying taxes for things that the government are responsible for doing, the disagreement is when the government decides to spend the revenue generated from taxes on things that the citizens would not necessarily approve of,b things that the government both at state and federal level shouldn't be spending on, put that alongside the waste fraud abuse and a lot of this NGO loop back money that ends up coming back into political parties.

A typical example is the $40 million dollar a week to the Taliban for more than a year.

Another is the million dollars in cash sent out of the Minneapolis airport to Somalia.

America would have no national debt if not for waste, fraud and abuse.

You know every four years people to get vote for a party that puts up spending plans? In between they get to elect their state representatives who also have spending plans. You mention one random example of $40 million to the Taliban, it sounds like a lie one of the republican puppets came up with to stir up more hatred or at least it is presented with no context. Considering the damage America did to Afghanistan over 10+ years it might be little recompense, but it's really a drop in the ocean compared to the spending of the US government. If it was really as you claim, that would have been wiped out long ago in Trumps purge, so there is likely very good reasons it continues.

Maybe America's problem is that it is such a two party state and they have started to insist on staying at polar opposites of any argument comes up, rather than trying to work together towards a reasonable solution that exists closer to the middle. However what would really be good is if other political parties could fracture the vote and actually help to sway the conversation in more moderate ways. That seems kind of impossible right now though, because there in so much money being pumped into politics in that country it is almost doomed. It's how America is marching towards this wannabe tinpot dictator trying to stay in power until he's dead and probably hand over to his kids in some sick nepotism fantasy.

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August 24, 2026, 09:27:18 PM
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National debt increases due to government poor financial policies, irregular government spending, frauds they all contribute to debt but I don't think that these are the only reasons for the US having large amount of debt.

If government tries to stop spending extra money and use every Penny of taxes for useful purposes till they have large expenses to meet, including healthcare, defence medical and financial programs. When government starts spending more money than revenue they generate and then, there is income gap that continues to increase every year and then government has to borrow money to meet its expenses. Unnecessary expenses should be reduced by having proper accountability and making people willing to pay taxes but these steps alone cannot eliminate their debt.

US have to change their fiscal policy, they have to increase their revenues and reduce their spendings and maintain balanced budget for their debt to be reduced over the period of time.

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August 24, 2026, 10:26:51 PM
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The national debt will not magically drop down to zero even if unnecessary waste of fraud is  by chance eliminated. The US spent a lot of their revenue on domestic things the citizens actually want and need  such as infrastructure, healthcare and defense it might not be to the capacity expected but they do spend a lot on those angle, so the dept exist because the country requires vast government services but nobody is happy paying the high tax rates required to keep things afloat. So even if the loophole in the foreign aids or International NGOs are cleaned up , I don’t think the deficit would budge that much.

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August 24, 2026, 10:51:37 PM
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For developed countries like USA, it's hard to assume that they won't gain national debt even if taxes are spend well or government funds aren't misused. They have to still take some loans so they can continuously offer public services, and constantly grow their strong and stable economy.

But they can always minimize their national debt if they really intend to. The thing is, a country's leader will always think of how to manage and increase the country's revenues that's why they will have a non-stop pile up of projects for the people's welfare, as well as their own welfare as well undeniably.

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August 25, 2026, 07:24:43 AM
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I don't really blame a nation for accruing debt if there is some form of development within that country, the problem is that with USA as the top of global power, it attracts a lot of expenses, some are being spent on global economy while alot of them are being spent on the defense of the country, I feel like America is one step away from war, I don't mean the minor war we don't know about, I mean a large scale war, and most of this budget hearing are always associated with the research and production of weapons needed to strengthen there military.

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August 25, 2026, 07:58:45 AM
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The USA has been building its military capabilities in the Middle East for a long time and by spending a lot of dollars, their objective was to take control of the entire Middle East. If they could have done it completely, they could have made more profit even if they spent billions of dollars.

Their spending in the Middle East had a long-term objective. The USA always wants the entire business of the Middle East to be under their control, starting from the extraction of mineral resources. And this is where it is understood that they had economic interests behind spending this huge amount of money.

The USA is still spending constantly, maybe their calculation still has a long-term plan to increase their military capabilities in the outside world. Because of this, even though they have not been able to fully control it so far, they are still trying and may continue to do so in the future. And because of this, the amount of USA's debt is increasing. I think the increase in their debt has a lot of influence on increasing their military capabilities.

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The US government does not rely on taxes alone to fund their country's welfare, but they should acquire different sources so they can maximize their projects and constantly support the public welfare. So even if those taxes are used accordingly to its purpose, still there aren't no guarantees that US will have no national debt. It will always chose to acquire debt especially that US is a developed country, hence it should maintained its status as a developed one.

But honestly, this is not about having national debt, all countries are actually doing it. But they could have managed their national debt more than to continuously rely on it and acquire more, I think Trump itself and his decisions should be blamed too.

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Naturally, people are not against paying taxes for things that the government are responsible for doing, the disagreement is when the government decides to spend the revenue generated from taxes on things that the citizens would not necessarily approve of,b things that the government both at state and federal level shouldn't be spending on, put that alongside the waste fraud abuse and a lot of this NGO loop back money that ends up coming back into political parties.

In my environment it has always been commented how in the Nordic countries they pay the highest amounts of taxes that exist in the world, and yet they must be happy to contribute their money to public expenditure and be one of the countries with the least tax evasion, precisely because they have the perception that their money is well spent. That of how money is spent is a very common criticism and one that is usually eminent if not main for not paying taxes, and it seems to be true that when they are used well, when the excuses are finished, people pay willingly.

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The US government does not rely on taxes alone to fund their country's welfare, but they should acquire different sources so they can maximize their projects and constantly support the public welfare. So even if those taxes are used accordingly to its purpose, still there aren't no guarantees that US will have no national debt. It will always chose to acquire debt especially that US is a developed country, hence it should maintained its status as a developed one.

But honestly, this is not about having national debt, all countries are actually doing it. But they could have managed their national debt more than to continuously rely on it and acquire more, I think Trump itself and his decisions should be blamed too.
Public spending and the maintenance of the superpower status can not be solely covered due to tax revenues. The issuance of debts has grown to be a universal fiscal tool popularly applied by different governments to provide capital to finance colossal strategic projects.

But actual dependency as chronic without any form of repayment management actually becomes a determinant threatening economic sustainability in the long term. Policies of nature in the past administration such as tax cuts and budget deficit have been helping to spurred the growth of the national debt.


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August 25, 2026, 11:25:34 PM
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Why is there no defense budget? They have hundreds of bases around the world, and this year their president proposed cutting non-military spending to increase their defense budget allocation.(*)
The US has too many global enemies; the propaganda they create evidently comes at a high cost.


*) https://www.npr.org/2026/04/03/nx-s1-5772701/trump-budget-defense-spending

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