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Today at 01:17:45 PM
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There is this my colleague that doesn't have fear if he loses or wins but what he focus more is how to be winning always and not minding regardless to his high staking power, that he might lose most times too but the last amount he stake with, was $377.28 to win $754.56, and this my colleagues was lucky to have won $754.56 three times in a role using $377.28 as his staking power, do you know what the betting site he was using to place all those betting, they blocked his account and tag him for money laundry and do you guys know the funniest part, upon his winning, that my colleagues has not withdraw any of his winnings from the online betting site and he was able to contact some of his friends and they provided a number for he to call customer service and when he finally called them, they asked him allot of questions that ended of him going to the bank to print out his paying slips and statement of accounting that shown that he is a working class and then upload it in there site and after doing all that, finally his account was late open and he was able to gain access to his winnings.

Because of this incident that happened to my colleagues, he withdraw all the money and close the account, so question is, assuming you are to be the the guy, will you close your account with them? Because their characters mean that the owner of a gambling site do find joy when ever a customer loses.

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Today at 01:24:02 PM
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The story you have narrated is a normal thing in casino business. If you are winning consistently, some casinos will request for KYC to be sure you are a human.  Some good casino do add this to their TOS but they phrase the statement in such a way that it does not directly mean asking for KYC due to regular winning. Running away from the casino is not the best decision because they acted within their TOS and even if your friend wants to run,  the casino he is running to may require the same thing if wins consistently.

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Today at 01:24:22 PM
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The incident you have presented here seems to me to be something that those who have been involved in gambling for a long time have faced at some point in their lives.
Although I gamble very little, when I first started gambling, I was able to withdraw my winnings immediately, as I knew in advance that gambling sites can block accounts after winning big bets, but later when I continued playing, two days later I got another small win. To be honest, I was still making more money than I was losing from that account, but after winning money for the second time, I found that my account had been blocked.
I knew that if I wanted to get my winnings back after the account was blocked, I would have to face various questions and prove a lot, so I did not step into that place again. Since then, I have never gambled on that site again.

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Today at 01:25:02 PM
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Yes, some gambling sites can noticed huge amount of money that is withdrawable and find something against the person just like how it happened to your friends.

But I do not think it is necessary to stop gambling on the gambling site if he likes their service, but he may the thinking that the gambling site might come up with another excuse next time.

Just tell him to be very careful. Winning such amount three times does not mean he is going to win against the gambling site in long term. I have someone that won like this before. He used higher amount of money and losses began.

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Today at 01:25:23 PM
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If I were in your colleague shoes I would probably close my account.

However I wouldn't jump to conclusion that casino flagged him for money laundering simply because he won.

Honestly winning three time in a row with $377.28 stake does not constitute evidence of money laundering. But operator might have grounds to scrutinize factor such as unusual betting pattern, source of fund, 3rd party payment and deposit and withdrawal behavior.

In reality there are valid reason to treat unusual wagering pattern and issue regarding source of fund as actual AML risk.

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Today at 01:27:03 PM
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Only dubious casinos with a bad reputation will do that. Casino operators should be happy if their players are winning, because they will be motivated to play more, and when they play more, the casinos will eventually recover the winnings because they have an edge over their players.

To avoid these circumstances, they should avoid small casinos and casinos with bad reports because if you keep winning, they may accuse you of things you never did; they have limited funds and cannot afford to lose money, so they want money flowing in, not out.

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Today at 01:32:40 PM
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My criticism actually lies elsewhere. If any user has been able to make regular deposit beforehand, and face no issue with placing bet or playing.

But then after securing any win operator suddenly demand bank statement and payslip. Then customer experience is undoubtedly poor.

You know such kind of practice of delaying fukin source of fund check until your withdrawal stage as problematic and disgusting.

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Today at 01:35:35 PM
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When you're in the wrong casino, you really won't have peace of mind. There are many legit casinos, but there are also plenty of shady ones.

There's a saying that casinos hate winners, and in some ways that's true, but it's different when they are trying to avoid paying you by accusing you of money laundering without proper proof. That's obviously a red flag.

It's sad when someone worked for those winnings and the casino still refuses to release the money. That's why we really have to be careful in this space. There are many attractive offers, but it's still safer to stick with casinos that already have a proven reputation.

So to answer the OP's question, can an online betting site block your account just because you're winning too much? In general, no.

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I definitely wouldn't have come back. But it would be logical to think that the casino always wants more money. Business is business. The difference is how honest the casino is. If the winnings were fair, and the casino is building obstacles to receiving them, you should reconsider whether you want to keep playing there or trust that platform at all.

Although, if we take the place of the one who has to pay, naturally they will check in all possible ways, hoping to find some kind of trick or error on the player's side. In your case, their explanation of money laundering is completely unfair. After all, what business does the casino have where the player gets such sums? But, at the end of the day, rules are rules. I've heard about this, that some sites require proof of income. An absurdity? Absolutely. There is always a choice to leave or stay.

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Today at 01:41:24 PM
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the owner of a gambling site do find joy when ever a customer loses.

In reality such of your notion that casino owner take pleasure in customer loss is not proven by this specific scenario, mate.

I won't deny that casino business model is indeed incentivized by player losses.
However it would be incorrect to conflate AML investigation with that underlying incentive.

If i talk about myself if they had provided some reasonable explanation regarding my document. And if they released my winning then I would nott have labeled them dishonest based solely on this incident.

But if such same thing happened repeatedly or if they created hassle with arbitrary KYC demand during withdrawal then I certainly would have looked for different operator.

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Today at 01:42:36 PM
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The person mentioned is lucky because he was able to withdraw his money after his account was blocked.

This has happened to some of my local gamblers, but they were unable to withdraw any money. Now regarding your question, if I were in that person's place, I would have also withdrawn the money and closed the account. Because instead of using such untrustworthy people's betting sites, I would have found a trusted site. I don't like to use any casino sites except those promoted on this forum.

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they blocked his account and tag him for money laundry and do you guys know the funniest part, upon his winning, that my colleagues has not withdraw any of his winnings from the online betting site and he was able to contact some of his friends and they provided a number for he to call customer service and when he finally called them, they asked him allot of questions that ended of him going to the bank to print out his paying slips and statement of accounting that shown that he is a working class and then upload it in there site and after doing all that, finally his account was late open and he was able to gain access to his winnings.
Casinos do not just go ahead to tag a gambler as a money launderer unless they notice some suspicious money activities on the account that needs explanation from the gambler. For your friend who was to print a statement of account showing he's a working class to validate his income range, It is likely that the casino needs clarity on how individuals with in income range or bracket keep making such a bet comfortably maybe out of their income range. Or if the gambler makes large deposit and then gambles with small small amounts, or if the gambler within in a short period makes occasional large deposits to their gambling account, but not gambling as much as they deposit etc. All these are suspicious activities that can make a casino tag a gambler a money launderer.

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Today at 01:55:48 PM
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so question is, assuming you are to be the the guy, will you close your account with them?

I have had a similar experience, although it did not go as far as blocking my account, but it was still uncomfortable. Delayed withdrawals and having to go through many procedures are very time consuming and mentally taxing. After successfully withdrawing my winnings, I did not close my account, but I never played there again. 
We all know casinos only follow their procedures for certain withdrawal amounts or delay withdrawals due to suspected fraudulent activity. But if you play honestly and are treated like that, it is still uncomfortable.

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Today at 01:57:10 PM
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The person mentioned is lucky because he was able to withdraw his money after his account was blocked.

This has happened to some of my local gamblers, but they were unable to withdraw any money. Now regarding your question, if I were in that person's place, I would have also withdrawn the money and closed the account. Because instead of using such untrustworthy people's betting sites, I would have found a trusted site. I don't like to use any casino sites except those promoted on this forum.
As far as I know, if an account already got blocked by the casino, we are unable to withdraw all the winnings that we got from their site, unless there's an initial agreement and identity verification happened prior to the withdrawal, so they allow that person to open the account again and withdraw all the money. Basically, he's super lucky indeed. Since there's a huge amount of winnings happening repeatedly in the same account, it's possible that the casino system detected it and flagged it to their team for verification, for them to know if the user is really a human and no abuse happened. Well, that's some kind of anti-money laundering checking and i think, that's valid to comply the requirements they needed.

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Today at 01:58:39 PM
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Because of this incident that happened to my colleagues, he withdraw all the money and close the account, so question is, assuming you are to be the the guy, will you close your account with them? Because their characters mean that the owner of a gambling site do find joy when ever a customer loses.
He's lucky they reopen his accout, when we tell your guys to review the capacity of a gambling site before staking your hard earned money you taught we're joking.  Some betting site doesn't have thr capacity to pay gambler through amount won. So they will look for means to shut your account,  always stay with big betting site that's popular,  they will never do such because they have the capacity to pay for any win.

Secondly Op, do us the honour to list the betting site that did that to your friend, it will help many gamblers here in the future,  there's nothing to hide if the story is real. That amount is too small for a betting site to be stressing over,  please if you read this my reply , do well to expose the betting company.

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the owner of a gambling site do find joy when ever a customer loses.

I dont find it true. I dont think that owner of the site monitors online all the bets, then feels happy and clap his hands when he see someone is losing money. I think casino owner only make weekly and monthly financial results and only then he is happy or sad.

There is this my colleague that doesn't have fear if he loses or wins but what he focus more is how to be winning always and not minding regardless to his high staking power, that he might lose most times too but the last amount he stake with, was $377.28 to win $754.56, and this my colleagues was lucky to have won $754.56 three times in a role using $377.28 as his staking power, do you know what the betting site he was using to place all those betting, they blocked his account and tag him for money laundry and do you guys know the funniest part, upon his winning, that my colleagues has not withdraw any of his winnings from the online betting site and he was able to contact some of his friends and they provided a number for he to call customer service and when he finally called them, they asked him allot of questions that ended of him going to the bank to print out his paying slips and statement of accounting that shown that he is a working class and then upload it in there site and after doing all that, finally his account was late open and he was able to gain access to his winnings.

If I get it right, your friend placed all-in $377.28 in a row with 2.00 odds and won 3 bet in a row. Most likely he was playing quick games like dice and got lucky winning 3 times with ~49% win chance. So it took him seconds to win $377 into $2.2k. That is a lot of money. Maybe that was an unusual behavior for his account. I think that was what has triggered extra attention to his account. But "money laundry" as a reason to block his account looks funny, no doubt.

 
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Today at 02:01:05 PM
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, so question is, assuming you are to be the the guy, will you close your account with them? Because their characters mean that the owner of a gambling site do find joy when ever a customer loses.

If I were the one, I will not close the account because I have already passed my kyc, so their will be no room for any suspicious on me again, so if am going to another gambling platform, their are chances that I may still experiment such thing, since it will be like starting afresh.

I wouldn't blame the casino that much because they wanted to be sure if they are not dealing with a bot, but where I blame them is how they handle it, they would have asked for kyc verification plainly than blocking the person's account without no explanation, because if he didn't go the extra miles to contact the customer support, all his winning plus his initial deposit would have been gone.

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Today at 02:01:30 PM
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assuming you are to be the the guy, will you close your account with them? Because their characters mean that the owner of a gambling site do find joy when ever a customer loses.
This incident involving your colleague is actually classic move by bookmakers!
While you and your colleague might view this purely as case of money laundering. Real ugly truth behind casino business is bit different.
If such thing happened to me, I would have closed my account and withdrawn all funds without single second delay immediately after winning.

Because their characters mean that the owner of a gambling site do find joy when ever a customer loses.
I think that is 100% true!
You should know actual reason behind blocking account after any win is Profit Control.
Fundamental rule of bookmaking business is that house always wins.
When your colleague won $754 by staking $377 three times in a row, their bot and algorithm immediately flagged the account as High Risk/Profitable.
They officially mention cause like KYC, SoF and AML blah blah,,, But actuality is that gambling site never desire any player to frankly cash out their winning. They temporarily close that account to frustrate your colleague.

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Today at 02:02:33 PM
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Because of this incident that happened to my colleagues, he withdraw all the money and close the account, so question is, assuming you are to be the the guy, will you close your account with them? Because their characters mean that the owner of a gambling site do find joy when ever a customer loses.
Still lucky he was able to re-access the account and withdraw the money. Because in most cases the result is always a fraudulent Casino, or indeed basically your friend is involved in a winning streak so the casino takes precautions. Regardless of the outcome, I feel to avoid such casinos in the future, moreover the winning amount is not above $1000 which makes me suspect the bankroll of such casinos is very low.

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Today at 02:02:38 PM
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There is this my colleague that doesn't have fear if he loses or wins but what he focus more is how to be winning always and not minding regardless to his high staking power, that he might lose most times too but the last amount he stake with, was $377.28 to win $754.56, and this my colleagues was lucky to have won $754.56 three times in a role using $377.28 as his staking power, do you know what the betting site he was using to place all those betting, they blocked his account and tag him for money laundry and do you guys know the funniest part, upon his winning, that my colleagues has not withdraw any of his winnings from the online betting site and he was able to contact some of his friends and they provided a number for he to call customer service and when he finally called them, they asked him allot of questions that ended of him going to the bank to print out his paying slips and statement of accounting that shown that he is a working class and then upload it in there site and after doing all that, finally his account was late open and he was able to gain access to his winnings.

Because of this incident that happened to my colleagues, he withdraw all the money and close the account, so question is, assuming you are to be the the guy, will you close your account with them? Because their characters mean that the owner of a gambling site do find joy when ever a customer loses.
Obviously if anything something like that will happen with me definitely I will just make the withdrawal from the platform and as well also close the account on that platform.

And the reason is here that, your colleague has had his withdrawal restricted for winning repeatedly, it is not unusual, because the sportsbook provider can consider it as suspicious activity and can temporarily restrict withdrawals just to check, and sometimes many accounts are suspended for arbitrage betting, that is of course a different matter.
However, in this case, I do not think it is logical that for winning three times from 377.28 to $754.56, he will be suspected of money laundering and asked for his bank statement. However, if your friend is really involved in money laundering, then that is a different matter LOL.

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