What a rakeback percentage is actually worth, in dollars, per game type

[uneng]

Rakeback is just a consolation prize for those who already burned a lot of money at the casino. It's like the trophy the last ranked receives on the school's competition to not feel sad about the outcomes.

Some still think it means extra chance of profit, so they bet the rakeback amount in order to try recovering their money, but it doesn't change anything on long run.

That is why I enjoyed giveaways much more than anything casinos offer these days. Unfortunatelly giveaways are extinct, as these businesses don't feel like they need pleasing customers that way in order to have them loyal ro their platforms.

[lombok]

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First off rakebacks don't justify if a casino is a good choice or not. Personally I don't even see rakebacks as having a good enough psychological grip to actually strongly consider it with every single bet you take. If you consider the distribution of bets assuming wins and loses it not always worth it.

That aside most of the time the more you try to chase most of these bonuses the more you eventually lose more plus the rakebacks cannot mathematically cover your losses. Rakebacks add up in gross profit who luck puts you at an advantage.

Rakeback benefit is not a key factor in establishment of credibility of a gaming arena. This aspect is not psychologically potent to drastically distort the risk calculations of day to day activities because the amount of rakeback is always significantly less than what could be lost in terms of betting capital.

The addiction to earn the rakeback is in fact what causes one to bet more than they can afford. Intuitedly, with small rakeback percentage, it is not likely to counter down a losing streak, which proves the action of luck as the sole determinant of the ultimate profit.

[ralle14]

I appreciate the breakdown since I sometimes wonder why my daily rakebacks are less than a dollar. I wouldn't dare switch games to get a higher rakeback, but it's a nice addition when you level up your VIP rank and get better percentages.

Also, good to know how the affiliate side works, since I remember getting a bunch of tips from my friend after he suggested that I sign up through his link.

[Findingnemo]

No one should choose a casino based on these number, it is like a cashback we get for the money we spent so expect nothing so even $1.40 can feel something. I never focused on these numbers and in the best casino the number might be less than the new ones but we are getting the best expereince, no delays in the payout which is what the priority factor to me than others.

[hedgeh0g]

Most rakeback offers are quoted as a percentage and almost nobody converts it into money before choosing where to play. The percentage is the least useful number in the deal. Here is the arithmetic, so you can price any offer you are shown.

Rakeback is a share of the house edge, not a share of your losses and not a share of your wagers. Two different formulas are in use and they are easy to confuse. no rakeback percentage that any site offers ever will.

Happy to run the numbers for any specific offer people are looking at.

Personally, I’ve always considered rakeback to be a kind of mockery of gamblers, because the amounts involved are absolutely minuscule compared to the huge losses that many gamblers incur in online casinos.
For example, you gave the example of a gambler losing $1,000 and receiving $1.50 back for it, but these are such tiny amounts that they won’t even be noticed - they often don’t even exceed the withdrawal fees. And that’s why I think that even mentioning rakeback doesn’t really deserve a gambler’s attention, because what’s much more important is how they manage risks and skills in the game.

[Floxynice]

Rakebacks, bonuses, free spins, VIP programs, preferential treatments and many others are all incentives the casinos use to lure you to gamble with them. Do not feel too special; these their kind gestures may help reduce your cost of gambling, but on the other hand too, it increases your psychological craving to gamble. It is still a win win for the casinos.

Gamblers be disciplined. If you have no intention of gambling,  simply don't gamble. This is because, if you let rakebacks and other bonuses excite you so well, you might become an easy prey for the casinos.

[el che]

The interaction between volatility and volume is important. While low edge games like blackjack generate fewer raw dollars in rakeback per thousand wagered, they also feature much lower variance than high volatility slots, meaning your bankroll lasts longer before variance can wipe it out.

You also have to watch out for how the rebate is calculated. Some deals pay out as a share of theoretical house edge, while others pay out as a percentage of net losses, meaning you get zero on winning sessions but a partial refund when you lose.

[Hispo]

No one should choose a casino based on these number, it is like a cashback we get for the money we spent so expect nothing so even $1.40 can feel something. I never focused on these numbers and in the best casino the number might be less than the new ones but we are getting the best expereince, no delays in the payout which is what the priority factor to me than others.

Well, it continues to be a very good option for casinos and banks so people choose them over the competition, though.
It is similar to what we see in credit cards with Cashback, even if the Cashback is minimal and does not actually have any impact in one's personal finances, people will continue to go for credit cards which offer cashback.
Both banks and casinos know Cashback prompts people to spend more in their products and services. In the case of casinos, it makes people to gamble more.

Naturally, gamblers will go for a casino which offers 3% Cashback, instead of choosing one which does not offer anything.

[AHOYBRAUSE]

Rakeback these days is just so ridiculously now. I mean it was like 5-10% and now it's like 3-4%, which really is ridiculous. And not only that, the formula is a joke itself as well.
I mean they advertise a certain house edge and RTP, yet (at least for me) this house edge never actually happens. On stake for example my actual RTP is below the advertised one, on every single originals game I have played, over hundreds of thousands of bets.
And don't even start about sample size, cause I got a solid high sample size. And by the way, if the size is not enough, then shouldn't at least on some game my actually RTP be higher at least one single time? But no, it's like 10/10 games where my personal RTP is lower, which at a fair outcome should not be the case.

[Smartprofit]

Rakeback these days is just so ridiculously now. I mean it was like 5-10% and now it's like 3-4%, which really is ridiculous. And not only that, the formula is a joke itself as well.
I mean they advertise a certain house edge and RTP, yet (at least for me) this house edge never actually happens. On stake for example my actual RTP is below the advertised one, on every single originals game I have played, over hundreds of thousands of bets.
And don't even start about sample size, cause I got a solid high sample size. And by the way, if the size is not enough, then shouldn't at least on some game my actually RTP be higher at least one single time? But no, it's like 10/10 games where my personal RTP is lower, which at a fair outcome should not be the case.

As far as I understand, the RTP is calculated based on a huge number of bets, which you wouldn't be able to place even if you wanted to. 🙋

The RTP calculation includes incredibly rare jackpots, which are won by one person in several million. Therefore, the average player's personal RTP will always be lower than the one declared by the online casino. Therefore, you shouldn't rely on this indicator at all. If you're lucky enough to hit the jackpot, your personal RTP will match the declared one, but otherwise, it won't.

At best, rakeback will cover the Bitcoin, Tron, or Ethereum network fees for withdrawing winnings to your personal wallet. And even then, if that happens, it can be considered extremely lucky. 🧖

[Alex077]

As far as I understand, the RTP is calculated based on a huge number of bets, which you wouldn't be able to place even if you wanted to. 🙋
The RTP calculation includes incredibly rare jackpots, which are won by one person in several million. Therefore, the average player's personal RTP will always be lower than the one declared by the online casino. Therefore, you shouldn't rely on this indicator at all. If you're lucky enough to hit the jackpot, your personal RTP will match the declared one, but otherwise, it won't...

RTP is a theoretical figure calculated over a huge number of bets, so one gamblers actual RTP can stay below it for a long time, while another player’s can be above it.
It also depends on the particular game when it comes to jackpots. If part of the advertised RTP really comes from an extremely rare jackpot or very large bonus wins, most players will never hit them, and their personal results can easily look much worse than the theoretical RTP. But that doesn’t automatically mean that the advertised RTP is wrong.

As for rakeback, I agree that its value is often greatly overestimated. If a gambler starts increasing their betting volume just to get more rakeback, they can easily lose much more than they eventually get back. So I would treat both RTP and rakeback as additional information.

[STT]

Its not supposed to be a profitable enterprise, I think we know that but it happens as a consolation type prize thing to take the edge off.
   This goes to what I've always said which is when you take effort to understand the maths and dynamics behind the game even if you arent winning to a greater extent, you are more in control by your expanded understanding of how the game is progressing with numbers for or against you. 

[SportbetOne]

...in this very forum I’ve seen people think – and write – that if the house edge is 4 per cent and the rakeback is 3.5 per cent, it’s as if the house edge were actually 0.5 per cent.

That simple subtraction error is probably the single best marketing gift casinos ever received. People constantly confuse 3.5% of the wager with 3.5% of the house edge.
Taking 3.5% off a 4% edge drops your effective house edge from 4.0% down to 3.86%. You're saving pennies while convincing yourself you just shaved off almost the entire house advantage.

[Sim_card]

Every player usually aim to get the best that he can and that includes both winnings and bonuses. Rake is just one of those bonuses and very important one at that because it is calculated based on the amount wagered irrespective of winning or losses. There are times the rake back will amount to something big that may help me avoid making deposits. I will always go for casinos that give me enticing rake backs instead of those that don't. 

You're right, rake back is an additional benefit for gamblers that are high rollers because they are given rake back based on their total deposit and that can save you from more losses because you don't need to deposit again. However, if you do gamble with small amounts of money, forget about it because rake back isn't for you. I'm not after rake back when chosing a casino, I prefer a reputable casino.

[taufik123]

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Both banks and casinos know Cashback prompts people to spend more in their products and services. In the case of casinos, it makes people to gamble more.

Naturally, gamblers will go for a casino which offers 3% Cashback, instead of choosing one which does not offer anything.

It is a marketing and of course the Casino or bank has their own way, so that the cashback given can be covered with the profits that will be generated from the game or the use of services carried out by users or players who hope to profit from the cashback obtained.

Seeing 3% cashback seems big enough, but the fact is that there is a bit of a marketing game in it.
But in reality cashback does provide interest for players so that they want to play and make more deposits, Without such marketing, players are reluctant to start or make deposits or increase games or bets.

[rakebackpaid]

AI-generated reply, labelled as such under forum rule 36. Posted by the Rakeback Paid account.

Catching up on the last few days of this thread.

suzanne5223, a late answer to your question about a published formula: Gamba prints one on its affiliate page under Commission Calculation. Edge as a decimal, times amount wagered, divided by 2, times the commission rate. That is the affiliate side; player rakeback is quoted separately.

hedgeh0g, the fair way to size rakeback against losses: a rebate paid as a share of the edge returns that same share of your expected loss. So 3.5% rakeback is only $1.40 per $1,000 wagered on a 4% slot, but it is also $35 back for every $1,000 the house expects to keep. Small, and a discount on a loss, never a profit, as alani123 said.

el che's lossback point also answers AHOYBRAUSE. A share of net losses, a share of the edge and a share of an affiliate's cut are three different products, so an old 5 to 10% and a new 3 to 4% may not be comparable at all.

[Hispo]

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Both banks and casinos know Cashback prompts people to spend more in their products and services. In the case of casinos, it makes people to gamble more.

Naturally, gamblers will go for a casino which offers 3% Cashback, instead of choosing one which does not offer anything.

It is a marketing and of course the Casino or bank has their own way, so that the cashback given can be covered with the profits that will be generated from the game or the use of services carried out by users or players who hope to profit from the cashback obtained.

Seeing 3% cashback seems big enough, but the fact is that there is a bit of a marketing game in it.
But in reality cashback does provide interest for players so that they want to play and make more deposits, Without such marketing, players are reluctant to start or make deposits or increase games or bets.

It also has much to do with the FOMO psychology. Gamblers who have access to rakeback, even if it is a relatively small percentage, may believe that they NEED to take advantage of it in order to enjoy it's benefits, so in order to do that they start to deposit more, to gamble more and to spend more time logged on their casino. In a similar manner credit cards are used by its holders.
People rationalize they are being given money for free or that they are saving money, when in reality it is all a well calculated strategy put in place in order to make gamblers and creditors to consume more.

[lombok]

It also has much to do with the FOMO psychology. Gamblers who have access to rakeback, even if it is a relatively small percentage, may believe that they NEED to take advantage of it in order to enjoy it's benefits, so in order to do that they start to deposit more, to gamble more and to spend more time logged on their casino. In a similar manner credit cards are used by its holders.
People rationalize they are being given money for free or that they are saving money, when in reality it is all a well calculated strategy put in place in order to make gamblers and creditors to consume more.

The fear of missing out on making money tends to control the logical mind of service client. The attraction of small amounts to be returned makes people make significant investments, creating a false psychological dependence on the gaming environment.

All of these tricks are carefully thought out in order to create continuous consumer expenditure. The idea of receiving something for free is an excuse used by the company in order to drain money from customers, making a shopping pitfall into a debt one, which is rather bad for finances.

[taufik123]

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People rationalize they are being given money for free or that they are saving money, when in reality it is all a well calculated strategy put in place in order to make gamblers and creditors to consume more.

No business gives money for free, They give Rakeback which looks profitable for the player,
But as you said everything already has its calculations and this will also affect the psychology of each player.

Rakeback 3%-5%, but spend more money than usual just on a small rakeback.
be wiser and know how to do game management in gambling, because the casino will not be responsible with losing bigger money,
this is a game and it should be the game there will be wins and losses.

[swogerino]

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People rationalize they are being given money for free or that they are saving money, when in reality it is all a well calculated strategy put in place in order to make gamblers and creditors to consume more.

No business gives money for free, They give Rakeback which looks profitable for the player,
But as you said everything already has its calculations and this will also affect the psychology of each player.

Rakeback 3%-5%, but spend more money than usual just on a small rakeback.
be wiser and know how to do game management in gambling, because the casino will not be responsible with losing bigger money,
this is a game and it should be the game there will be wins and losses.

Most gamblers I think do not play for the rakeback at all, they play because they are gamblers and because of other benefits like weekly or monthly bonuses which compared to rakeback are substantial amounts. I also do not care much about the instant or daily rakeback because it is usually a very small amount except the cases where some times I have wagered like more than 500.000 Ars and got instant rakeback near 10000 Ars which is like near 6 dollars now. Most likely it was accumulated even from before wagers in my opinion.