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April 06, 2014, 05:22:12 PM |
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In terms of actually practicing ideologies in real time, some people argue that Russia is now the most Christian nation in the world. Would you agree or disagree with that theory?
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April 06, 2014, 06:05:37 PM |
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Alas, I think I'd have to agree. It's becoming one of the most religiously brainwashed countries. But then again, communism, was just another religionism, and it had to be replaced by something... Some new opium for the masses.
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April 06, 2014, 06:26:44 PM |
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Russia is much less religious than other people think. There is a strong 10-20% atheist + nonreligious population. The most religious nation will be in Latin America. May be Brazil or Paraguay.
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April 06, 2014, 07:00:16 PM |
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RF is a multi-confessional country. There are ~70% of christians, but some regions population nearly 100% muslim... There are also regions with ~100% buddhist. But then again, communism, was just another religionism, and it had to be replaced by something... Some new opium for the masses.
That's not quite correct... There are many differences between religin and ideological platform.
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April 06, 2014, 07:45:13 PM |
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RF is a multi-confessional country. There are ~70% of christians, but some regions population nearly 100% muslim... There are also regions with ~100% buddhist. But then again, communism, was just another religionism, and it had to be replaced by something... Some new opium for the masses.
That's not quite correct... There are many differences between religin and ideological platform. Unless it is Islam as it is both a religion and a political platform with the sharia laws.
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RF is a multi-confessional country. There are ~70% of christians, but some regions population nearly 100% muslim... There are also regions with ~100% buddhist. Here: Russian Orthodox (41%) Muslim (6.5%) Unaffiliated Christian (4.1%) Other Orthodox (1.5%) Neopagan and Tengrist (1.2%) Tibetan Buddhist (0.5%) Other religions (1.7%) Spiritual but not religious (25%) Atheist and non-religious (13%) Undecided (5.5%) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religion_in_Russia
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April 07, 2014, 08:15:12 AM |
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I think African countries but even with their religious values, they are still the most corrupted countries in the world.
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April 07, 2014, 08:16:56 AM |
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A modern roman catholic church has very little in common with catholic traditions, it's a Vatican II sect. So it seems that Orthodox christians, old catholics (pre-vatican II) and some protestants are the last genuine christians in the world.
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April 07, 2014, 08:48:31 AM |
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That's not quite correct... There are many differences between religin and ideological platform. True, but they share the same fundamental qualities: neither are rational and both are fueled by emotions
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April 07, 2014, 11:29:59 AM |
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I think African countries but even with their religious values, they are still the most corrupted countries in the world.
Yes... Christianity (and also Islam) in Africa is normally spread with the help of money and coercion. No wonder they are corrupt.
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April 07, 2014, 01:03:27 PM Last edit: April 07, 2014, 01:19:26 PM by Balthazar |
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That's not quite correct... There are many differences between religin and ideological platform. True, but they share the same fundamental qualities: neither are rational and both are fueled by emotions Your statement is irrational and fueled by emotions Ideology it's just a set of tools, which was designed to resolve some kind of problem or achieve specified goal. A real problem or goal, which could be seen or described. It also required to provide a consistent methodology. I.e. ideology is required to provide a vectors, something like these: Goal: how society should work; Methods: what, how and why should we do to achieve this goal. Religion is self-sufficient and able to give you an answer for any question. Unlike religion, ideology isn't self-sufficient, it doesn't provide any indisputable answers. Ideology is always based on something which could be proven or refuted.
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April 07, 2014, 02:08:21 PM |
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I am going to say Armenia on this one. First country to adopt Christianity as a whole, and about 97%+ of their population is all Christian.
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April 07, 2014, 02:16:58 PM |
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Russia, brazil
Maybe armenia
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April 07, 2014, 02:17:19 PM |
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If,now Russia is one of the most Christian nation in the world,for sure is trying to pay the sins from the Soviet time!
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April 07, 2014, 02:45:20 PM |
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I am going to say Armenia on this one. First country to adopt Christianity as a whole, and about 97%+ of their population is all Christian.
Armenia is about 98% Christian. The remaining 2% is Yazidi.
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April 07, 2014, 02:57:00 PM |
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I am going to say Armenia on this one. First country to adopt Christianity as a whole, and about 97%+ of their population is all Christian.
Armenia is about 98% Christian. The remaining 2% is Yazidi. Correcting that 1% difference with a + sign after it was really important to you wasn't it? Can't let shit like that sneak by.
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April 07, 2014, 03:19:01 PM |
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Correcting that 1% difference with a + sign after it was really important to you wasn't it? Can't let shit like that sneak by.
lol... I was just stating the Census figures. There is a neighboring semi-recognized republic called Nagorno-Karabakh. Heard that it is 99.99% Christian.
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April 07, 2014, 03:24:27 PM |
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Vatican City? Pretty sure they are 100% catholic.
Yeah that would be my guess too.
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April 07, 2014, 09:04:02 PM |
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Alas, I think I'd have to agree. It's becoming one of the most religiously brainwashed countries. But then again, communism, was just another religionism, and it had to be replaced by something... Some new opium for the masses.
wait, what? communism was a bastion of atheism, don't know about USSR but in Yugoslavia you couldn't do politics if you were seen in church, it was a great disgrace..
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April 08, 2014, 02:45:55 AM |
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Vatican City? Pretty sure they are 100% catholic.
But Vatican city has no general population (i.e families). The entire population is consisting of the priests and the nuns).
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April 08, 2014, 09:12:02 AM |
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If "atheism" is a religion then "bald" it's a color of hair.
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April 08, 2014, 11:28:18 AM |
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So many threads about Russia on Politics and Society part of forum. It start to get rather boring.
Also you are christian when you keep going to church and take part in holly days or when you act as a christian... I'm not saying anything bad about Russians. From my experience they are very hospitable people.
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April 08, 2014, 11:53:18 AM |
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maybe brazil (roman catholic) and russia (orthodox christianity)
is russia still communism country until now? and is atheis = part of communist??
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April 08, 2014, 12:05:22 PM Last edit: April 08, 2014, 12:17:22 PM by Balthazar |
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It start to get rather boring.
It's your personal issues, I don't think that we should care about it. maybe brazil (roman catholic)
Unfortunately, there are serious issues with post-Vatican II roman catholic church. In the Brazilian church, especially. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fHZtbnaXuGkis russia still communism country until now?
There were no "communism" countries in existance. I suppose that you mean socialist republic... If I'm right about that then answer is no, current form of rule is parliamentary-presidential republic. With all its shortcomings. and is atheis = part of communist??
No, of course. Atheist could be liberal as well as christian could be communist or socialist. By the way, it's interesting that christians have developed their own adaptations of these ideologies: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christian_socialismhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christian_communism
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April 08, 2014, 12:21:22 PM |
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maybe brazil (roman catholic) Brazil used to be 90% or more Roman Catholic. But now the figure is less than 70%. Evangelical churches are actively poaching and now almost 20% of the population is Evangelical / Pentecostal.
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April 08, 2014, 12:53:19 PM |
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what are those serious issues? interesting video, i can see difference between orthodox and catholic in their ritual is the background music was actually from a church? i think orthodox church music more devout than catholic, imo and from what i read, gospel is part of bibble right (first four books of the new testament) ? - hmm, from here -> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Communist_statethey said vietnam, cuba, china still communist state is communist state really banned religion? i never go to vietnam, but i went to china once and saw many religious practical there socialist and communist ideology should be one or it could be split? - oh i see differences between atheist and communist in my country, many people told me atheism and communism are the same Christian communism? how they are become christian when communism banned religion? maybe brazil (roman catholic) Brazil used to be 90% or more Roman Catholic. But now the figure is less than 70%. Evangelical churches are actively poaching and now almost 20% of the population is Evangelical / Pentecostal. Evangelical? wow there are so many christian denomination I only see Catholic and Protestant in my country, and know there's anglican in UK and orthodox in russia maybe i must read wikipedia more
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April 08, 2014, 01:57:02 PM Last edit: April 08, 2014, 02:49:43 PM by Balthazar |
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what are those serious issues?
Populism, they're prefer to break with traditions in exchange for followers. interesting video, i can see difference between orthodox and catholic in their ritual is the background music was actually from a church? i think orthodox church music more devout than catholic, imo Yep, unfortunately it's a real liturgy from church. But it isn't a genuine catholic liturgy. This pseudo-ritual has been practiced by vatican-II sect. I suppose that they mean countries, which are controlled by the communist parties. But really all of these countries are socialist republics. Just a few examples to confirm: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ChinaGovernment Single-party socialist republic http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/VietnamGovernment Single-party socialist republic is communist state really banned religion? i never go to vietnam, but i went to china once and saw many religious practical there
Far-left marxists are rejecting any religion. According to their point of view, any religion it's a tool of control, which has the purpose to deprive people of their freedom. The majority of moderate socialists and communists are accepting religious practices as a part of society. socialist and communist ideology should be one or it could be split?
It's something like C & C++. Communist ideology incorporates socialist ideology, but not vice versa. Some socialists don't recognize a communist ideology, but communists recognize and using a socialist ideology. Communist ideology sees the following way of the society development: [various absolutist regimes here] <-> Free-market capitalism <-> State capitalism or Mercantilism <-> Socialism <-> Communism With each step the role of the public ownership grows. in my country, many people told me atheism and communism are the same I think they will be very surprised by the existence of a christian version of the socialist and communist ideologies.
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April 08, 2014, 02:13:49 PM |
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I only see Catholic and Protestant in my country, and know there's anglican in UK and orthodox in russia maybe i must read wikipedia more Hmm... in a broad sense, the Evangelicals and Pentecostals are included among the Protestants. But there is some serious difference among them in practices and customs.
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April 08, 2014, 02:19:34 PM |
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The answer is the Vatican. Name another country that is led by an absolute monarch who is also a Pope. Easy question.
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April 08, 2014, 03:33:14 PM |
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I thought Italy and most europeans would be christian since they were near where it all started in the first place.
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April 08, 2014, 04:37:50 PM |
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Vatican City? Pretty sure they are 100% catholic.
But Vatican city has no general population (i.e families). The entire population is consisting of the priests and the nuns). doesn't matter, the question was the most Christian based country in the world Vatican is a country with a 100% Christian population, you can't beat that because all of its population are priests communism was a bastion of atheism
I think you mean that the other way around . why?
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April 08, 2014, 04:39:32 PM |
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I thought Italy and most europeans would be christian since they were near where it all started in the first place.
Italy has recently received hundreds of thousands of Moroccan immigrants, in addition to all those Libyans and Tunisians. Around 5% might be Muslim right now, and growing at a rapid pace.
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April 08, 2014, 05:19:15 PM |
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You are christian when you keep going to church and take part in holy days or when you act as a christian.
This is an important point. There are many many people in my country who will write "christian" on a census form, but who only go to church for weddings and funerals. communism was a bastion of atheism
I think you mean that the other way around . why? Because "communism was a bastion of atheism" means you have to be a communist in order to be an atheist, which is obviously not true. It has traditionally been the other way round: in (e.g.) USSR, PRC, religion was discouraged. no if communism is a bastion of atheism, it means most of atheists are communists, that you have to be an atheist in order to be a usual communist if you say atheism is a bastion of communism it would mean all atheists are communists which isn't true, there is plenty of atheists that despise communism while all popular communists are atheists
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There is an example recently from Moldovia. The pro-EU liberals wanted to legalize sodomy. The Moldovan Orthodox church, as well as the Moldovan Communist party were against the move. A few weeks later, the pro-EU idiots wanted to give recognition to Islam. Here also, the Moldovan Orthodox church and the Moldovan Communist Party organized combined protests. It seems that the Moldovan Communist Party is the only pro-Christian party in Moldovia right now. http://www.azi.md/en/print-story/18038http://www.rferl.org/content/moldova_recognition_of_muslims_angers_conservatives/24177283.htmlHe said that yes during the MCP governance period [2001-2009], Islamic activists did apply for registration of their organization, but he believes there existed no objective reasons for meeting their applications because an absolute majority of Muslims stay in Moldova only temporarily. http://www.gaystarnews.com/article/moldova-repeals-%E2%80%98gay-propaganda%E2%80%99-ban141013Moldovan lawmakers have voted to repeal that country’s Russia style ban on so-called homosexual propaganda despite the country’s Orthodox Church and Communist Party joining forces against them. Situation is also similar in Russia. Here Putin's United Russia is considered as pro-Muslim, while the KPRF is considered as pro-Orthodox.
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April 08, 2014, 05:58:01 PM |
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while all popular communists are atheists
It depends on personality. Moderate communists and socialists have nothing against religion itself. Many of them believe in God, current leader of CPRF for example. And don't forget about this I think that christian socialism and christian communism are good political platforms, which could be useful to oppose muslims with their stone-aged sharia law (sorry). Christianity needs a political platform.
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Populism, they're prefer to break with traditions in exchange for followers. Yep, unfortunately it's a real liturgy from church. But it isn't a genuine catholic liturgy. This pseudo-ritual has been practiced by vatican-II sect. I suppose that they mean countries, which are controlled by the communist parties. But really all of these countries are socialist republics. Just a few examples to confirm: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ChinaGovernment Single-party socialist republic http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/VietnamGovernment Single-party socialist republic Far-left marxists are rejecting any religion. According to their point of view, any religion it's a tool of control, which has the purpose to deprive people of their freedom. The majority of moderate socialists and communists are accepting religious practices as a part of society. It's something like C & C++. Communist ideology incorporates socialist ideology, but not vice versa. Some socialists don't recognize a communist ideology, but communists recognize and using a socialist ideology. Communist ideology sees the following way of the society development: [various absolutist regimes here] <-> Free-market capitalism <-> State capitalism or Mercantilism <-> Socialism <-> Communism With each step the role of the public ownership grows. I think they will be very surprised by the existence of a christian version of the socialist and communist ideologies. ohh i see, and that's work. orthodox liturgy seem like medieval time, so devout. what is the mean of vatican-II sect? i know now, single communist party rule socialist republic i saw in many documentaries, communist government banned religion and and tortured followers russian communist closed the church or chinese government banned buddhist monastery that's very crazy it is a good thing if they are allowing religious practice right now how about another communist country, like north korea. they are atheist state right? hmm, like many south america country, who apply socialist but don't recognize communist State capitalism <-- is it economic model in PRC / China? i don't see socialsm economic apply now in china, it is too capitalism i think. But they are officially socialist state. Make me confuse yeah, even my friend beside me surprised yesterday after see that link Hmm... in a broad sense, the Evangelicals and Pentecostals are included among the Protestants. But there is some serious difference among them in practices and customs.
ohh i see in my country they are called "pentakosta" sure it is from Pentecostals word they are part of protestan here and i search in google, Pentecostals and protestant are different even Pentecostals are way different than catholic
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April 09, 2014, 11:27:56 AM Last edit: April 09, 2014, 12:12:01 PM by Balthazar |
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orthodox liturgy seem like medieval time, so devout.
Real catholic liturgy is quite interesting too. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dApWNfJgGC4 what is the mean of vatican-II sect?
It's a result of http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Second_Vatican_CouncilTraditionalist catholics are disagree with decisions of Vatican II council. See Society of St. Pius X for more details. i know now, single communist party rule socialist republic To be more precisely, I have to add two details: Single-party system is not a prerequisite. RSFSR, for example, used a dual-party system until the mid-1920s, Left SR party and Communist party were in so-called "loyal opposition". Similar system still exists in Nepal, this country ruled by coalition of Unified Communist Party of Nepal (Maoist) and Communist Party of Nepal (Unified Marxist−Leninist); Single-party doesn't mean that all power institutions are controlled by the party. In USSR, for example, ~50% of deputies weren't members of the party. It was named as "bloc of Communists and non-Party"/"Блoк кoммyниcтoв и бecпapтийныx". i saw in many documentaries, communist government banned religion and and tortured followers
For the Orthodox Church and Buddhism it wasn't so clear. Ideology wasn't the only reason, there were somewhat more pragmatic reasons for such type of activity. Weakening of the morale of opponents through eliminating entity what unites them was one of major reasons. But that's pretty correct for the Roman Catholic Church. "Papism" was seen as unreliable and unsafe element, which brings political instability into the society. That's why russian branch of RCC was destroyed completely by Stalinism followers. i don't see socialsm economic apply now in china, it is too capitalism i think. But they are officially socialist state. Make me confuse Huh
PRC is a socialist republic (based on the principles of democratic centralism), which uses state capitalist economy. like north korea
North Korea it's a special case. It's a republic de-jure, but monarchy de-facto. They have own ideology, Juche, which is proposed as "Korean-style socialism". they are atheist state right?
There are some working orthodox churches and buddhist temples in North Korea. But ~2/3 part of people are atheists here.
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April 09, 2014, 11:32:34 AM |
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i saw in many documentaries, communist government banned religion and and tortured followers russian communist closed the church or chinese government banned buddhist monastery Religion was more or less banned in Russia until Stalin died. Even after his death they were hardly allowed. However, the Communist Party came in to terms with the public opinion in the 1980s and allowed a religious revival to occur in Russia. The same time, Communist Party of China also began allowing organized religion. But the Chinese communists are still firmly against sects, such as Falun Gong.
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America is biggest Christian country in world. one-third of the world's population and christianity is the largest religion in the world.
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April 23, 2014, 02:22:34 PM |
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America is biggest Christian country in world. one-third of the world's population and christianity is the largest religion in the world.
I doubt whether that is the case. The number of people who goes to the church regularly might be just 10% to 20% in the US. I think that the largest number of practicing Christians might be in Nigeria.
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