bitbollo needs help - Is it worth the blood?

[bitbollo]

~snip~

Over the years I trained myself how to eat insults and act rational, it's hard but I am doing well. So here we go.

Please don't find excuses not to share private unedited chat while all things sound to me like it was you telling LM about whatever it was and LM was telling you something else to get time from you. If you really need to share edited chat than share it in public. Let LM to share his in the public (if he wants to edit then sure let him). But in any case on the edit parts you both need to agree that hiding part is not effecting to understand the context of the discussion.

The other scam things you got here and trying to make sense from it - does not relevant at all. I still say you are not in your right mind.

I would avoid to give "suggestions about personal health" considering that this is just an offense. --> It's enough 8 days to not say nothing about a scam!

I don't share PRIVATE CHATS. It's evident these are private and I have sent to other users. It seems NO ONE HAS CLAIMED I WRITE FAKE INFORMATION So Can you stop to point again on this?

I don't understand why I must engage with you a discussion...  but anyway ... We need to take seriously your other topic - lock on mode - full of insuations right?
At the end the problem has become opening a SCAM ACCUSATION AFTER 8 DAYS like WE HAD TO WAIT MORE PEOPLE GET HARVESTED RIGHT?
Open a scam accusation, using red trust and these other things to warn other users is a must. You can act delusional and offensive for all the time.
You feel smart on harassing and trying to appear better than me "because come on its only 100USD?"
Anyone can easily READ what happens and THE PROOFS that have been posted. Your insinuations are already being discussed and dismantled, your self you can just "snip" and thats all:

- he was aware for many days of a deposit stolen? YES
- he was aware of my issue with reward? YES
- he has trusted a newbie account that has missed the deadline ? YES
- he continue to promote and talks about "promptly payment of the campaign"? YES
- he has returned funds escrowed? YES
- your questioning about the pennies? YES
- you are attacking without any logic including other DT1 users ? YES
- you have avoided to mention all attacks on my person and offense and HOW THE SAME CAMPAIGN MANAGER HAS ADMITTED WAS EVERYTHING TRUE? YES

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I would still argue to give you back the deposit amount ASAP , so it would better you can share us the detailed explaination as royse asked.

This casino is already getting rogue, check Trust pilot! They have already seized this deposit since... 8 days! People involved have not yet been able to confirm "yes they are scammer"

they complain for the scam accusation/flag! This is the priority

[AB de Royse777]

- he was aware for many days of a deposit stolen? YES
- he was aware of my issue with reward? YES
- he has trusted a newbie account that has missed the deadline ? YES
- he continue to promote and talks about "promptly payment of the campaign"? YES
- he has returned funds escrowed? YES
- your questioning about the pennies? YES
- you are attacking without any logic including other DT1 users ? YES
- you have avoided to mention all attacks on my person and offense and HOW THE SAME CAMPAIGN MANAGER HAS ADMITTED WAS EVERYTHING TRUE? YES

- he was aware for many days of a deposit stolen? YES
- he was aware of my issue with reward? YES
- he continue to promote and talks about "promptly payment of the campaign"? YES

We don't know yet until we read the conversation between you and him and his response. The context is important

- he has trusted a newbie account that has missed the deadline ? YES

And you are working on destroying a Legendary Member with over 10 to 15 active campaigns, with $50,000 to $100,000 monthly paying to members and holding funds of clients.

- he has returned funds escrowed? YES

I see no problem, now if the casino scam you then he will pay out of his pocket. That's how it works

- your questioning about the pennies? YES

You added you got scammed $100, the math was not adding up so it was just a simple inquiry to understand the money involved. You are trying to take it into another direction.

- you are attacking without any logic including other DT1 users ? YES

If you are talking about gbianchi, krogoth then I already explained I was not questioning them.  

- you have avoided to mention all attacks on my person and offense and HOW THE SAME CAMPAIGN MANAGER HAS ADMITTED WAS EVERYTHING TRUE? YES

That manager I talked about, I bet he really is interested to understand the situation but using the opportunity to quickly remove one of his competitor from the business. Until you become one of his competitor like some of us you will not understand what I meant.
You know what, it sounds like talking to you at this moment is waste of time. I will wait for you and LM to dump the conversation. After that I will make a decission to support or oppose the flag.

[bitbollo]

We don't know yet until we read the conversation between you and him and his response. The context is important

What you mean "we"? How many are you "AB"? I have sent these chats to many reputable users, these are allowed also for moderators @theymos and who want to see it. Since you have all the time started by harrassing including questioning "my health" "its a low amount" "why a scam" I would say that I don't own you anything and the SCAM ACCUSATION has been clearly confirmed also by people involved.

And you are working on destroying a Legendary Member with over 10 to 15 active campaigns, with $50,000 to $100,000 monthly paying to members and holding funds of clients.

This is the @yogg syndrome. It seems that seems he has been a good guy and help you to make a lot of money now that has completely make nothing for a scam we had to not say nothing? Despite has been posted this is not THE FIRST ISSUE WITH CASINO RIGHT?
Interesting you know? once you start to read the Trust of the user you can see how much they are lucky.

You added you got scammed $100, the math was not adding up so it was just a simple inquiry to understand the money involved. You are trying to take it into another direction.

I don't need to spend time on penny. What will prove if 99,99 or 101,99 ? Nothing. Just try to shit my reputation even on this.

If you are talking about gbianchi, krogoth then I already explained I was not questioning them.

It's evident that you are even not able to continue your provocation. It's evident that this user has scammed and being negligent as escrow.
the fact that the amouns is "not to high" is pretty irrelevant considering HE HAS CONTINUE TO ENDORSE THEM IN PUBLIC!

I don't need to spend time for sending photo, since you have such good relation with this guy you can go ahead and start to him.
PAY ATTENTION THIS WOULD NOT CHANGE NOTHING but at leatest it would make happy looking how your friends have been offensive and fucking rude also in private.

- he was aware for many days of a deposit stolen? YES
- he was aware of my issue with reward? YES
- he has trusted a newbie account that has missed the deadline ? YES
- he continue to promote and talks about "promptly payment of the campaign"? YES
- he has returned funds escrowed? YES
- your questioning about the pennies? YES
- you are attacking without any logic including other DT1 users ? YES
- you have avoided to mention all attacks on my person and offense and HOW THE SAME CAMPAIGN MANAGER HAS ADMITTED WAS EVERYTHING TRUE? YES

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After that I will make a decission to support or oppose the flag.

Definition of biased judgement. I would see if they will me "enough mercy" if another user would promote for 8 days a SCAM!

Explain. exactly how I surprised you*?

This forum never ceases to surprise me.

Where is you?

Why you ask about the deposit are you the manager?

Because your clearly stated you were scammed $100

Amount Scammed: around 100 USD between deposit/win/reward

But I can not figure out how much actually it was. $50 deposit for review (you wagered of course and used it, so there must be some left, we consider the leftover), $50 supposed to be the reward. The bonus says $15.73 but does not show that deposit. So the $100 does not make sense. And all these seems started from this $15.73 bonus received from whatever the deposit you made.

I also understand that between you and LM had private chat, and I would like to see the whole chat too. Unedited  A to Z.

Any good friend* would ask to friend* no? I have sent already these chat to other users, why no ask to your friend?*

Your quote sounds like I only asked about it from you but it was not!

*

It's interesting how you avoided responding my post with necessary information but wanted to turn it to a reason of good support of scammers (LM).

It surprise me to believe that for a $100 a legendary member is destroying another legendary member's reputation.
It surprise me that a manages with over 10 to 15 campaigns and handles $50,000 to over $100,000 per month, pays over 150 to 250 members in the forum but he does not pay your $100.
It surprise me how others got paid (there were issues for a few but resolved) for the same review but you have not.
It surprise me the casino allowed to made this matter until this point.
It surprise me how you are using your forum power to bringing people who support you to destroy LM
It surprise me how LM is feeding his own ego.
It surprise me how another manager quickly got in to conclusion and supported your flag. He knows very well when things get dirty it takes more than 7 days time to sort it out in this business.
It surprise me gbianchi, krogoth supported the flag because both of them are from collectibles. I am 100% sure they didn't gone deep about the case but just trusted



Anyway, you are not in your right mind. From your posts on the review thread, and the scam accusation thread (which you locked) I felt there were conversations between you and LM in Telegram.  Since none of you are in your right mind right now - I need you two to provide the chat log (unedited, uncut, A to Z). I need to understand the context of the discussion. I need it from both of you to verify one of you has not edited or manipulated the chat dump.

I am locking this topic and no need to follow up with it, if you need then you can unlock the scam accusation topic.

[doomloop]

TL:DR

@bitbollo,
Let me precisely come to the point, what are the resolutions that you are looking for.

I mean, please list your demands/claims that you are looking out of the incident in question.

(Keep arguing will help none, work on way which leads to settle down).

[bitbollo]

who are you "doomloop" ? why its supposed we shuold get to a point with you?
I am not arguing but it's an obscene form of harrassing pointing a topic TO ME after they confirmed to be SCAMMERS!

I am not demanding anything! Why In the earth you suppose that I should demand something? I have just exposed a scam accusation and exposed as much as possible only facts considering that can become very easy get harrassed by a bunch of cockroaches.

For the context - other readers - This was day before opening the scam accusation

In the same conversation he confirmed to fail as escrow!
As you can see, after 7 days of missing a deadline he has continued to trust A NEWBIE ACCOUNT INCLUDING PROMOTING HERE THEIR ACTVITIY!
YOU HAVE A NEW ACCOUNT THAT HAS ALREADY SCAMMED A REPUTABLE USER (AND ITS BEEN PROVED) AND YOU DON'T MAKE NOTHING?
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5591848.msg67145971#msg67145971
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5591848.msg67149008#msg67149008
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5591848.msg67146222#msg67146222
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5591848.msg67148033#msg67148033

Its a non sense to trust such user that has deliberately helped and promote a scam casino.

Other messages IGNORED by the "campaign manager". It seems that someone would ask also for messages in chat, in other topic, here in private on forum...

AND STILL WILL SAY THAT THESE MESSAGES ARE NOT ENOUGH   !

AND ITS NORMAL TO IGNORE THE WARNING Look "the team" confirmed they are working I HAVE EVEN RETURNED THE ESCROW FUNDS! Look below the screenshow of "the team".

WHY ON EARTH THIS GUY HAS TRUSTED A NEWBIE IN THIS WAY AND NO ONE WAS MAKING OBSERVATION ABOUT THIS?
WHY IT SHOULD APPEAR LIKE A THING ABSOLUTELY NORMAL TO DO?


Have a look guys, we are not talking about something "casual" but make on purpose. You can verify all of these messages.
Don't trust verify. This is a full list of message/WARNINGS they ignored only in the topic of the CASINO!

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5591848.msg67151129#msg67151129
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5591848.msg67158402#msg67158402
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5591848.msg67158683#msg67158683
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5591848.msg67160033#msg67160033
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5591848.msg67161636#msg67161636
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5591848.msg67161891#msg67161891
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5591848.msg67162336#msg67162336

...
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5591848.msg67145971#msg67145971
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5591848.msg67149008#msg67149008
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5591848.msg67146222#msg67146222
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5591848.msg67148033#msg67148033

Its a non sense to trust such user that has deliberately helped and promote a scam casino.

edit
as bitcoiner to understand the context - any deposit in this site is lost/un recoverable. https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5594694.msg67163987#msg67163987
It would be like someone would sell to you rotten coldkey or coldcard for around 8 days as perfectlly normally working cards - even if the scam has been exposed.
despite they was aware and the first persons promiting here on forum have acted negligently and still continue to deny the issue.

edit2
Have you seen bitcoiners that THIS IS NOT THE FIRST TIME THAT THERE ARE SIMILAR ISSUES ON THE FORUM WITH A CASINO? Probably this is just a lucky coincidence who knows!

[AB de Royse777]

We don't know yet until we read the conversation between you and him and his response. The context is important

What you mean "we"? How many are you "AB"?

I was expecting you to be a bit respectful. You really is trying to insult anyone no matter what they tell you when you feel your arguments are a not supported. This is really bad, very bad. "we" means those who are reading around,. Please use some common sense.

One support dropped.


 Time will say if this was good or bad. By the way, I am still waiting for the text dump from you and LM. I will appreciate you not to make insulting posts rather act on what asked.

You are going with an issue with 7 days delay. Do you know  in one campaign I have paid the campaign members after several months because of an issue. I guess it was after 6 long months. In 1win there were some issues and it took several weeks (long weeks to fix) but eventually all got paid.  We managers face issues because we deal with people who invest a lot of money, we deal with  people of this forum who joins our campaigns. We interact with hundreds of telegram chats each week just to make sure everything is in order. And there are some like you who get angry with a 7 days delay.

I still wonder why none of other reviewers complain that they didn't get paid and why the casino picked you for their selective scam ( and it's a laughable $100 or around that)? It just don't make sense.

[bitbollo]

Good mornign AB

I was expecting you to be a bit respectful. You really is trying to insult anyone no matter what they tell you when you feel your arguments are a not supported. This is really bad, very bad. "we" means those who are reading around,. Please use some common sense.

What? Common sense? I am replyng to YOU and not to WE.

Time will say if this was good or bad. By the way, I am still waiting for the text dump from you and LM. I will appreciate you not to make insulting posts rather act on what asked.

You continue to abuse of my time and I have already answered 4 times about this question. These have been shared to all users. There are still insults from him here on forum.

You are going with an issue with 7 days delay. Do you know  in one campaign I have paid the campaign members after several months because of an issue. I guess it was after 6 long months. In 1win there were some issues and it took several weeks (long weeks to fix) but eventually all got paid.  We managers face issues because we deal with people who invest a lot of money, we deal with  people of this forum who joins our campaigns. We interact with hundreds of telegram chats each week just to make sure everything is in order. And there are some like you who get angry with a 7 days delay.

It's evident you continue to twist the issue, "100 usd". the problem is marketing and promotion of a scam casino. It's all explained in scam accusation, I can just continue to quote all passages and confirm they have supported a scam for all these days.

[AB de Royse777]

It's evident you continue to twist the issue, "100 usd". the problem is marketing and promotion of a scam casino. It's all explained in scam accusation, I can just continue to quote all passages and confirm they have supported a scam for all these days.

Let just keep everything away and just focus on scam casino thing.
1. Isn't it strange that all other reviewers got paid but you have not.
2. Isn't it strange that the casino thought to scam you selectively and the amount is only $100.

PS: It's night here and bed time for me. Maybe we talk more tomorrow.

PPS: I don't think your time has as much value as my time LOL so don't bluff about how important is your time.

[bitbollo]

It's evident you continue to twist the issue, "100 usd". the problem is marketing and promotion of a scam casino. It's all explained in scam accusation, I can just continue to quote all passages and confirm they have supported a scam for all these days.

Let just keep everything away and just focus on scam casino thing.
1. Isn't it strange that all other reviewers got paid but you have not.
2. Isn't it strange that the casino thought to scam you selectively and the amount is only $100.

PS: It's night here and bed time for me. Maybe we talk more tomorrow.

I don't know why we continue to miss a few crucial details:

It's evident you continue to twist the issue, "100 usd". the problem is marketing and promotion of a scam casino. It's all explained in scam accusation, I can just continue to quote all passages and confirm they have supported a scam for all these days.

1. They HAVE STOLEN THE DEPOSIT. Please read all the posts, and the scam accusation, it seems we are not stopping to the same things over and over.
Little Mouse was aware since this was something to resolve in "less 24 hours". There are topic here. If we talk again from zero ...
I continue to say also (as a cherry on top) that even the reward (I WOULD SAY OF COURSE!) has not been credited. Just check my post and thats all.

2. I tried for 7 days a resolution after the deadline and I have already shared DOZENS OF MESSAGES on HOW I HAVE TRIED TO GET AN ANSWER AVOID TO BE INSULTED BY EXPOSING A FULL NEGLIGENCE AND A PURE SCAM. Their trust pilot speak by itself it's evident that this a common problem in the last day "not only for me".

PS. I would invite seriously to read all the evidences and to stop to ask OVER AND OVER the same things.

There are now more then 4 topics about this issue and dozens of WARNINGS.
If we have such difficult to identify scams/people that highligh scams are treated in this way, the bitcoin community would see just endless scam in his history.

[bitbollo]

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PPS: I don't think your time has as much value as my time LOL so don't bluff about how important is your time.

I have already answered for 2 days, there are 4 topics about this scam. You can just verify all of the questions.
Now you are asking the same things over and over and I continue to reply quoting previous posts.
What there is more in this discussion? Nothing, just a confirmation of all the scam accusation. --> https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5594694.0
You continue to use very offensive term on my regards. There is no bluff here but just a warning for community. I have spent many hours and it's evident that there are just no more confirmations needed!

[Little Mouse]

The team member I'm in contact has confirmed me that $100 has been added to bitbollo's frogbet account, as it was supposed to be.

[xLays]

The team member I'm in contact has confirmed me that $100 has been added to bitbollo's frogbet account, as it was supposed to be.

I hope this solves the whole issue. But if you ask me, I think frogbet could at least offer some compensation to bitbollo, as I believe he deserves it. That $100 is only for his deposit and review reward. They could also make comment in the accusation thread to clarify what happened on their side why delayed happens (hopefully bitbollo unlocks the thread to make this possible).

As someone who has had issues with online casinos before, such as sportsbet.io and Coins.game to name a few, I was compensated by them when I had similar issues.

[eternalgloom]

I hope this solves the whole issue ... frogbet could at least offer some compensation to bitbollo, as I believe he deserves it ...

Nah, this is nowhere near solved.

It's bloody obvious that no amount of money can fix this mess IRL. Can't you really recognize it or intentionally ignoring main point here.

bitbollo NEVER asked for any fuckin $100 refund. His whole point was, "why the hell did you promote that shady casino when you knew everything, and why TF did you release the escrow?"

LM hasn't given any single satisfactory answer to that shit. IMO, bitbollo's trust is gone for good, and no resource on Earth is buying that back. But my two cents, if LM humbly admits his mistake, bitbollo might just remove those negative trust, idk.

[Khanvila78]

(@Little Mouse) He is a Bangladeshi campaign manager. Now that his deception has been exposed, he wants to solve it now, but if the deception had not been exposed then, he would (bitbollo) He wouldn't give his dollar back. She is a scammer campaign manager.