Questions about casinos that use misleading information for promotion

[arallmuus]

Let me bring this for discussion: it’s no longer news that we have casinos which come here to promote themselves as No-KYC casinos, but they are KYC-compliant casinos.

I'd say anyone that fall for this trick should not really be gambling.

Its actually pretty easy to spot wether a gambling site actually have KYC compliant terms without actually reading their terms. If the site has all those 3rd party slot provide then 99% it is a KYC compliant site. Gambling site that have 3rd party site need to have license to operate thus they are also KYC compliant

Most sites nowadays have the 3rd party slots so that means they are all KYC compliant, only a gullible boy will fall for the 'no-KYC' marketing

and is later slapped with the requirement to provide a KYC document at the time of withdrawal

Some sites dont really ask for your KYC ( even if they are KYC compliant ) if you win moderate amount from their site while some scammy sites will even ask for your KYC when you want to withdraw $100 after depositing $50.

All you gotta do is find a reputable site that is quite 'lenient' with their KYC compliant terms

[Livingleged]

Let me bring this for discussion: it’s no longer news that we have casinos which come here to promote themselves as No-KYC casinos, but they are KYC-compliant casinos. When a player uses such a casino without reading the terms and conditions to know if the slogan is just misleading or true and is later slapped with the requirement to provide a KYC document at the time of withdrawal, will the player consider the casino a scam or take full responsibility for not paying attention to details?

To me the user should of course take full responsibility since it was stated on the rule and regulations but he decided not to pay attention to details, but if it was a situation where the casino acted as No KYC casino and also do not state it in their guidelines, then it’s Definitely an offence that could be prosecuted in the courts of law.

[Btcdeybodi]

Let me bring this for discussion: it’s no longer news that we have casinos which come here to promote themselves as No-KYC casinos, but they are KYC-compliant casinos. When a player uses such a casino without reading the terms and conditions to know if the slogan is just misleading or true and is later slapped with the requirement to provide a KYC document at the time of withdrawal, will the player consider the casino a scam or take full responsibility for not paying attention to details?

You have to understand that casinos will use every strategy to draw customers to themselves then as time goes they willl being to manifest their true self. It is just a kind of luring customers through false pretense and this kind of thing do not only happens with casinos. There are many businesses that during their advertisements they will use every sweet words to gain customers. If you are gambling with any casino whether they require KYC or not, just have it at the back of mind that if you win a huge amount and you want to request for withdrawal they must ask for KYC.

[henmark]

Let me bring this for discussion: it’s no longer news that we have casinos which come here to promote themselves as No-KYC casinos, but they are KYC-compliant casinos. When a player uses such a casino without reading the terms and conditions to know if the slogan is just misleading or true and is later slapped with the requirement to provide a KYC document at the time of withdrawal, will the player consider the casino a scam or take full responsibility for not paying attention to details?

Does it make any difference if a player considers a casino a scam once they have already made a deposit and have their funds stuck? I mean, it doesn't matter at that point, which is why it is important for a gambler to make sure that they confirm such things beforehand to avoid facing any kind of problems. Even if a casino says that it is a no-KYC platform and they won't ask for KYC, we should still check from the terms and conditions to see if there isn't anything mentioned about this rule at all, because as we all know, even if they say they won't ask for it, they can later say that they only said they won't ask for it normally, but they can ask for it if a situation for it occurs, which is still wrong, but you can't fight them or win the fight even if you decide to do it.

It is also better to make sure that you ask their customer support before you make a deposit, because they can't lie to you straight up. If you ask them whether the platform will in no condition ask for KYC, they will be compelled to tell you the reality that they will not ask for it normally for small transactions, but if they have any suspicions or anything, or if there are large amounts involved, then they might ask for KYC, and if you don't like that, then it is better that you don't play with them and don't make a deposit. You can always find another platform, but to be honest, most platforms nowadays have this condition.

[Smack That Ace]

Let me bring this for discussion: it’s no longer news that we have casinos which come here to promote themselves as No-KYC casinos, but they are KYC-compliant casinos. When a player uses such a casino without reading the terms and conditions to know if the slogan is just misleading or true and is later slapped with the requirement to provide a KYC document at the time of withdrawal, will the player consider the casino a scam or take full responsibility for not paying attention to details?

In current crypto gambling market, there is virtually no such thing as 100% No KYC in true sense of term. Most licensed operator, such as Curacao, Anjouan, etc. are subject to Anti Money Laundering regulation. Therefore, even though ID is not required during sign up, KYC process is triggered by large withdrawal ro suspected bonus abuse. Everyone say casiono dont ask when we deposit, but I have seen some incident they asked KYC when deposit amounts exceed a certain threshold.

Anyway, its not 100% scam but casinos make false claim about kyc for marketing purpose, even though they know the truth.

[Proty]

Both parties are to take responsibility but this doesn't mean that a misleading advertising should be overlooked. If a casino states that they don't require kyc, a user may feel bad or deceived if the casino is requiring kyc after winning. It is also good for people to go through a casino terms before depositing their money on such a platform. While casino should also try as much as they can to make every term that may affect withdrawal not to be hidden.
The main problem is whether the casino makes it know that kyc will be needed before the user started depositing money. If the promotion did make it obvious that no kyc will be required then it will be wrong to blame only the user because the misleading part of the promotion is also to be considered.

[Dogedegen]

Let me bring this for discussion: it’s no longer news that we have casinos which come here to promote themselves as No-KYC casinos, but they are KYC-compliant casinos. When a player uses such a casino without reading the terms and conditions to know if the slogan is just misleading or true and is later slapped with the requirement to provide a KYC document at the time of withdrawal, will the player consider the casino a scam or take full responsibility for not paying attention to details?

That type of casino promoting themselves as no KYC is popular around here, and I have been among many members who have questioned them. I don’t agree with casinos using such a tactic. At the same time, we gamblers should not also believe everything we are being told during promotions; we should verify that information ourselves before. we agree with them, in such a case I can say is using a misleading statement to run promotion while the gambler is lazy enough not to cross check the policy if it align with what they preach.

If the casino actually uses a misleading statement in their promotion and then a gambler comes out to complain about the deceit, do you think it would still be okay to blame the gambler for not confirming before using the platforms?

There are so many things we do not confirm before using and we really can't check everything because we have other things to do in real life so sometimes you just have to trust the site to be sincere.

The above quote inspired the creation of the thread.

It is deceptive but we have to be careful how we treat individual companies or casinos. If you look at this issue more broadly which is the issue of covering up things in terms and conditions and misleading marketing, this problem is not related at all to the casino industry or crypto. How many big companies have never done some kind of deceptive marketing or slightly misleading marketing? How many have not hidden all sorts of stuff in terms and conditions? We have a very big problem on our hands but the issue is not related to our industry, we find this issue everywhere. The question is how do we get out of this situation? People should together demand change but the issue is that not that many are bothered by this or they don't want to do something about it. And in the absence of collective action or demands, the remaining option is only an individual escape. You can gamble at casinos that are completely decentralized or those that have proven that they respect no KYC policies. That way you are also not giving money to casinos that have deceptive marketing.

Because of this I place more responsibility on the person. When you want to use a service or platform you need to be responsible and take time to understand what it is, and what it is not. The easy way is to blame the platform or the whole industry, since that means you don't have to sit down and read and learn things before you start to gamble.

[Churchillvv]

This is a two edge case, both parties played a role in the such occurrence if it should happen, it’s could comparative or contributory negligence; this is taken to court will be ruled on the basis of both plaintiff or defendant as contributors to the incident, which means that both the case while be charged for deceptive conduct and the person who gets to fall victim of this will be charged for negligence where the victim is at fault for not having to verify the information and trusting blindly. But on a more human basis the deceptive advertisement should be the bare of the cost.

[Yeesha]

Let me bring this for discussion: it’s no longer news that we have casinos which come here to promote themselves as No-KYC casinos, but they are KYC-compliant casinos. When a player uses such a casino without reading the terms and conditions to know if the slogan is just misleading or true and is later slapped with the requirement to provide a KYC document at the time of withdrawal, will the player consider the casino a scam or take full responsibility for not paying attention to details?

That type of casino promoting themselves as no KYC is popular around here, and I have been among many members who have questioned them. I don’t agree with casinos using such a tactic. At the same time, we gamblers should not also believe everything we are being told during promotions; we should verify that information ourselves before. we agree with them, in such a case I can say is using a misleading statement to run promotion while the gambler is lazy enough not to cross check the policy if it align with what they preach.

If the casino actually uses a misleading statement in their promotion and then a gambler comes out to complain about the deceit, do you think it would still be okay to blame the gambler for not confirming before using the platforms?

There are so many things we do not confirm before using and we really can't check everything because we have other things to do in real life so sometimes you just have to trust the site to be sincere.

The above quote inspired the creation of the thread.

During advertisement, some people can go to any extent to attract the attention of their customers, even if they have to say things that is beyond the quality of their products. But that is not how to go about business, because some people would feel disappointed if the product doesn't possess the quality that was stated, the same thing applies to casinos. If a casino make use of wrong information for promotion (or should I said If people lie just to promote a particular casino, the case will definitely lose it face if the customers experience the opposite. Even if you promote something using the actual quality that its possess some people will still come for it. So even if a casino is using KYC or no KYC some people will still use depending on their interest.

[promise444c5]

You can’t really call them scam but at the same time they still need to be held accountable for the “No KYC” label unless they provide a valid reason..

The blame can’t be completely shifted on the Casino either way, you as a gambler, deserves a one sided blame on not reading the TOS and not doing other necessary checks & research before allowing them to provide service to you.. since you need a “No-KYC” casino .

I know majority would complain that it is long , and most don’t read it anyway .. Now the question is, why was it written.. for decoration? lol!

[Davidvictorson]

Let me bring this for discussion: it’s no longer news that we have casinos which come here to promote themselves as No-KYC casinos, but they are KYC-compliant casinos. When a player uses such a casino without reading the terms and conditions to know if the slogan is just misleading or true and is later slapped with the requirement to provide a KYC document at the time of withdrawal, will the player consider the casino a scam or take full responsibility for not paying attention to details?

First of I would like to see one of such casinos
Can you drop the link to their page?
Second to be safe than sorry especially if you as a player is concerned about a no-KYC, upon sign up at my the casino, they can send a message to the customer rep of the casino or via email to hear directly from the proverbial horse’s mouth.
If you don’t want to go that route, the read the TOS. It will somehow be there.

[lombok]

During advertisement, some people can go to any extent to attract the attention of their customers, even if they have to say things that is beyond the quality of their products. But that is not how to go about business, because some people would feel disappointed if the product doesn't possess the quality that was stated, the same thing applies to casinos. If a casino make use of wrong information for promotion (or should I said If people lie just to promote a particular casino, the case will definitely lose it face if the customers experience the opposite. Even if you promote something using the actual quality that its possess some people will still come for it. So even if a casino is using KYC or no KYC some people will still use depending on their interest.

Promotional deceit for the purpose of raising the status of products is prevalent practice, which amounts to making an irrevocable mistake in business ethics. The untruths that are told by the promoters can only disappoint the customers and make permanent damage to the image of gambling places due to their dishonesty.

The provision of good services to those who are really interested is something that can be of particular attraction. The honesty of document verification policy always attracts true customers.

[ejikeme24]

If any casino prominently highlight No KYC in its banner and forum promotion then it is evident that this is key part of its marketing strategy.

However when any player attempt to withdraw their winning, it withheld by citing a clause hidden in fine print on line 200+ of their Terms of Service, stating that  Management reserves the right to request KYC at any time. I would call this deceptive marketing in plain language.

It is very bad for a casino to highlight no KYC in its banner but immediately bettors hit a huge amount of money they start requesting for KYC details. The truth is some casinos are just using this no KYC as a means of getting people to join their platforms, but it's very wrong. Sometimes I wonder if this casinos that uses this strategy even realize that they have reputation? Or maybe they don't just care. but in my own case this is enough reason why the casino should not be trusted or should be tag as a scam casinos for not being sincere. Because if they had open up In the first place that they are KYC casinos many gamblers would have left them to look for a no KYC, but instead they pretend like they are no KYC and made people that does not like KYC casinos to join them.

[Rruchi man]

If any casino prominently highlight No KYC in its banner and forum promotion then it is evident that this is key part of its marketing strategy.

However when any player attempt to withdraw their winning, it withheld by citing a clause hidden in fine print on line 200+ of their Terms of Service, stating that  Management reserves the right to request KYC at any time. I would call this deceptive marketing in plain language.

No KYC does not mean no KYC at all; to me, it means that KYC will be required in special situations, and every gambler has to come to this understanding.

Casinos make a lot of claims in the name of marketing, and it is all in an intention to attract customers rather than deceive customers.

For instance, a casino claiming to be the best place to gamble or the best casino around, will you call the casino deceitful for using such a word when many casinos are claiming to be the best too?

[Jegileman]

Let me bring this for discussion: it’s no longer news that we have casinos which come here to promote themselves as No-KYC casinos, but they are KYC-compliant casinos. When a player uses such a casino without reading the terms and conditions to know if the slogan is just misleading or true and is later slapped with the requirement to provide a KYC document at the time of withdrawal, will the player consider the casino a scam or take full responsibility for not paying attention to details?

Really, not paying attention to details? As long as in your marketing strategy and what pushed people to use your casino is that you are a No KYC casino, then there is no reason why you should force a user to do KYC when withdrawing their big win. As long as a casino exhibit such gibberish behaviours, they these are the kind of casinos that cannot be trusted. Even if they allow withdrawal after submitting KYC, then it is possible still that they will want to be deceptive in their actions later towards other players. There is no two ways about it and not to feel that they’re doing you a favour, as long as they don’t mention it in their rules, calling your attention back to not listening to details is already a cunning approach to not give you what you won.

[Cointxz]

AFAIK this was discussed many times all over the casino ANN thread that promised No KYC.

Both Casino and players are responsible for this mistake mostly on the player side since the ToS was publicly available which stated this ToS. The misleading part is based on the casino marketing which is also something to blame on.

It’s easy to remember that license casino = KYC no matter how the casino twist their ToS to mislead user.

[robelneo]

Let me bring this for discussion: it’s no longer news that we have casinos which come here to promote themselves as No-KYC casinos, but they are KYC-compliant casinos. When a player uses such a casino without reading the terms and conditions to know if the slogan is just misleading or true and is later slapped with the requirement to provide a KYC document at the time of withdrawal, will the player consider the casino a scam or take full responsibility for not paying attention to details?

So many casinos are like that, which is why it's important to read the terms and read people's feedback about the casino. It will not take you hours to do that, but if you fail, you end up becoming a victim of these dubious casinos.
Casinos can be manipulative in their promotions, so they can entice members by posting information that is so different from what's on their terms. Be very diligent and save yourself from a headache later.

[Ever-young]

We all know that tagging a platform no-KYC passes the user a message that verification of ID’s isn’t a criteria. Putting all the blames on the user that was actually deceived and misled has created a huge gap between them and accountability. Because this platforms are promoting a deceptive marketing.

The corny idea of using no-KYC to attract users, then afterwards, KYC is enforced as they emerge the point of withdrawal is parasitic and predatory. This is how trust keeps dying. The villain here is the platform that promoted a false claim but at the end of the day, users are victimized for believing in them. That form of marketing is cruel.

[Smartvirus]

It’s a norm in the cryptospace that most cryptocurrency enthusiasts and gamblers always like to go private and wouldn’t want to have their documents out there for several reasons but, we just know that isn’t going to last, it never does.

Maybe for a start, a couple of casinos might want to stick to that and get as much gambling customers as they could but then, the government comes in, regulations and what not, you’re forced to start doing KYC to keep operating.

For some casinos, it’s not really up to them, the times change and they’ve got to change too.
While others might view themselves to operate a partial KYC, it’s left for you to always go through the terms.

[DubemIfedigbo001]

Let me bring this for discussion: it’s no longer news that we have casinos which come here to promote themselves as No-KYC casinos, but they are KYC-compliant casinos. When a player uses such a casino without reading the terms and conditions to know if the slogan is just misleading or true and is later slapped with the requirement to provide a KYC document at the time of withdrawal, will the player consider the casino a scam or take full responsibility for not paying attention to details?

Why would you use a service without reading carefully it's terms of service? It's the fault of the gambler because by agreeing to the terms before you signed up, you're expected to have read through it carefully and you're consenting to abide by everything listed there. Almost every casino that I come by has that optional KYC clause, so I've actually dismissed the fact that a casino is actually NO KYC. The truth is that most gamblers don't take their time to read it, I was one of them, but watching people have issues with it, I adjusted to reading carefully and understanding before using the casino.

The NO KYC is a marketing stunt, it simply means you'll not be asked for KYC before you start playing there, but there's no guarantee that they don't need KYC when you're about withdrawing, especially if the funds are huge.