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Today at 12:23:30 AM
Last edit: Today at 06:43:37 AM by Olotu20
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when ever people talk about Bitcoin, one of the things that comes to mind is that, this is a technology that is untraceable when used in sending funds. These are one of the reasons that, people give when discussing Bitcoin and it's true nature.

most times many newbies confuse these two terms pseudonymous and Anonymous to be the same thing. The truth is that Bitcoin is truly traceable because Bitcoin was built to be pseudonymous. These two words may be close in meaning but not exactly the same thing .Pseudonymous means that someone is hiding under an identity such as a name, Address or even a username. while Ananemous is someone is trying to send a message without an hidden identifier such as Address or username so there can be no trace or trail on the person but that, is not the case when we talk about pseudonymous because here identity is only replaced by an identifier.

just like on the forum here were you use an identifier such olotu20 in replacing your real name, so people don't know olotu20 in the real Sense. so in Bitcoin your Bitcoin wallet address act's like pseudonymous. It Should be noted that your Bitcoin transaction is traceable and is made public in the Bitcoin blockchain.Bitcoin is a financial ledger that is public which can be identified via the wall address.

Bitcoin ----------> Pseudonymous + Public + Traceable.
Every Bitcoin transaction that is ever made on the Bitcoin blockchain is recorded permanently and block analyst can can Link multiple address to an individual especially on regulated exchanges which requires KYC. when ever Bitcoin transaction is made very important identifiers such as transaction I.D, Time of the transaction, which wall address the Bitcoin was sent from and the receiving wall address is recorded.

HOW YOUR IDENTITY CAN BE UNCOVERED.

Let say that, you buy Bitcoin or even sent Bitcoin from a known exchange which requires KYC, which I mentioned earlier. The exchange knows your real  identity Olotu20 and the wall address that is linked to that identity, so as far as investigators can establish the connection between these they can, potentially follow the trends and movement of transactions these addresses.

EXAMPLE

Let say Olotu20 buy's Bitcoin from an exchange and Address X received the Bitcoin and was sent to another Address Y which was finally sent to another Address X.
 Address X = 0.60 BTC.
Address Y= 0.58 BTC.
Address Z= 0.56 BTC.

LOOK OUT FOR A KNOWN ADDRESS.

When once investors can Link a known address to an exchange ( A ) that, requires KYC the investigators can link the connection between these address. Exchanges takes records of customers wall address, Transactions involved which has to do with withdrawals and deposit. with this investigators with the right legal backup can establish a connection.

EXAMPLE

Exchange ( A ) which is a customer's account,   and is associated with  address Y. And is associated with different address X,Z.
This is were a pseudonymous can be link with a real person because the investigators may know that among the three address one may be link with an exchange ( A )

Identity----------> Exchange ( A )---------> Wall addresses X, Y, Z.

You can add corrections to the thread because it's ment, for the purpose of learning.
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Today at 03:14:42 AM
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when ever people talk about Bitcoin, one of the things that comes to mind is that, this is a technology that is untraceable when used in sending funds. These are one of the reasons that, people give when discussing Bitcoin and it's true nature.

most times many newbies confuse these these two terms pseudonymous and Anonymous to be the same thing. The truth is that Bitcoin is truly traceable because Bitcoin was built to be pseudonymous. These two words may be close in meaning but not exactly the same thing .Pseudonymous means that someone is hiding under an identity such as a name, Address or even a username. while Ananemous is someone is trying to send a message without an hidden identifier such as Address or username so there can be no trace or trail on the person but that, is not the case when we talk about pseudonymous because here identity is only replaced by an identifier.

just like on the forum here were you use an identifier such olotu20 in replacing your real name, so people don't know olotu20 in the real Sense. so in Bitcoin your Bitcoin wallet address act's like pseudonymous. It Should be noted that your Bitcoin transaction is traceable and is made public in the Bitcoin blockchain.Bitcoin is a financial ledger that is public which can be identified via the wall address.

Bitcoin ----------> Pseudonymous + Public + Traceable.
Every Bitcoin transaction that is ever made on the Bitcoin blockchain is recorded permanently and block analyst can can Link multiple address to an individual especially on regulated exchanges which requires KYC. when ever Bitcoin transaction is made very important identifiers such as transaction I.D, Time of the transaction, which wall address the Bitcoin was sent from and the receiving wall address is recorded.

HOW YOUR IDENTITY CAN BE UNCOVERED.

Let say that, you buy Bitcoin or even sent Bitcoin from a known exchange which requires KYC, which I mentioned earlier. The exchange knows your real  identity Olotu20 and the wall address that is linked to that identity, so as far as investigators can establish the connection between these they can, potentially follow the trends and movement of transactions these addresses.

EXAMPLE

Let say Olotu20 buy's Bitcoin from an exchange and Address X received the Bitcoin and was sent to another Address Y which was finally sent to another Address X.
 Address X = 0.60 BTC.
Address Y= 0.58 BTC.
Address Z= 0.56 BTC.

LOOK OUT FOR A KNOWN ADDRESS.

When once investors can Link a known address to an exchange ( A ) that, requires KYC the investigators can link the connection between these address. Exchanges takes records of customers wall address, Transactions involved which has to do with withdrawals and deposit. with this investigators with the right legal backup can establish a connection.

EXAMPLE

Exchange ( A ) which is a customer's account,   and is associated with  address Y. And is associated with different address X,Z.
This is were a pseudonymous can be link with a real person because the investigators may know that among the three address one may be link with an exchange ( A )

Identity----------> Exchange ( A )---------> Wall addresses X, Y, Z.

You can add corrections to the thread because it's ment, for the purpose of learning.
Bitcoin transactions are very traceable just as you have said, because every Bitcoin transactions done are usually been recorded in a public blockchain and can be accessed.

But beginners will think otherwise as I was also thinking of same when I heard about Bitcoin for the first time, but get to know it's traceable when I got the opportunity of joing this forum.

This post will surely help alot in clearing many doubts and sharing more light on such amongst the forum members especially the beginners, although some members also that might have been here for sometime now still might just be seeing and hearing of how traceable Bitcoin is for the first time.

The explanation done on how the identity of the people that transacted can be traced is simple and understandable, but just wondering if the traceability of Bitcoin transactions that is possible will not endanger the people that transacted?

Also the meaning and differences of pseudonymous and anonymous that was explained by the OP is very good, because many will think they are the same as I also thought so when I first saw the words.


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Today at 07:58:09 AM
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Bitcoin transaction can be traced to the real owner if the person use centralized exchange to buy and sell bitcoin. However, if you use decentralized exchange, mixer or coinjoin services, it will be difficult for chain analysis to trace you because your tracks are masked. This is why any one using a centralized exchange should only use one address to receive coins from the exchange and one address to send to the exchange too. So that, will be the only address connecting to your identity.

This is why I love using coin control or freeze addresses, I don't want to spend from to avoid different addresses connecting to one same person. It's good to know how to separate your coins that came from an exchange and the ones that didn't come from CEx for privacy.

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Today at 08:01:07 AM
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Bitcoin is a financial ledger that is public which can be identified via the wall address.
Bitcoin transactions are recorded of a public ledger and everyone has access to it, bitcoin is not a financial ledger. It is called "wallet" and not "wall"

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Bitcoin ----------> Pseudonymous + Public + Traceable.
Every Bitcoin transaction that is ever made on the Bitcoin blockchain is recorded permanently and block analyst can can Link multiple address to an individual especially on regulated exchanges which requires KYC.
It's either you call them blockchain analysts or chain analysts for short. Block in a single container of transactions which has been confirmed, but blockchain is a collections of many blocks joined together to form a chain of blocks. What is analysed is the established connection of addresses across the blockchain and not just within blocks.

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when ever Bitcoin transaction is made very important identifiers such as transaction I.D, Time of the transaction, which wall address the Bitcoin was sent from and the receiving wall address is recorded.
The quantity of value spent and the change(balance) sent back to the change address is also recorded in the transaction.

 
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Today at 08:58:38 AM
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I guess what Chinese top spy agency said about cryptocurrencies recently could be the reason you posted this topic. Bitcoin transaction is pseudonymous, it is traceable but you can have some level of anonymity if you know some things that you should know and using it. Things like using mixers, coin control and tor.

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Today at 01:07:45 PM
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when ever people talk about Bitcoin, one of the things that comes to mind is that, this is a technology that is untraceable when used in sending funds. These are one of the reasons that, people give when discussing Bitcoin and it's true nature.

The moment you recognize the relevance or use of an exchange for making transactions, keep in mind there is no privacy, any privacy, because the same centralized platform you are using already has your KYC information. They will use your on-chain transactions to trace you to your personal information on their platform. Bitcoin uses an open, distributed ledger; the contradiction to this is when you make use of a non-custodial wallet and avoid using a centralized wallet, and also perfect your transactions by making them off-chain.

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Today at 02:16:28 PM
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The idea is simple here. We don't normally use the word pseudonymous when describing Bitcoin, but I think it is more accurate to say that Bitcoin is not completely anonymous..When you send a transaction on the Bitcoin network, your name is not written on the blockchain. What is recorded are addresses, transaction amounts, and other transaction data. So, without linking an address to a real-world identity or using some form of chain analysis, you cannot simply look at a Bitcoin transaction and know who made it. Bitcoin was never designed to make transactions completely untraceable. The blockchain is public, and transactions can be traced. That is why I would describe Bitcoin as offering a level of privacy rather than complete anonymity.

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Today at 04:08:57 PM
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I guess what Chinese top spy agency said about cryptocurrencies recently could be the reason you posted this topic. Bitcoin transaction is pseudonymous, it is traceable but you can have some level of anonymity if you know some things that you should know and using it. Things like using mixers, coin control and tor.
As long as the address can not be linked to you then your identity is safe but that is easier said than done, Electrum wallet for example does not keep your identity so unless you claim that particular bitcoin address to be your own, no one can connect it to you but transaction are public so they can trace where the bitcoin came from before it entered your address, if you made the transfer yourself from an exchange that requires KYC then you identity will be available to them and it's not easy to trust an exchange that does not require KYC or makes it optional.

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