The trick I used to bail my money out of abusive casinos

[Uhwuchukwu53]

I have not had this type of experience with any of the local casinos here and there have never been a time I got free money without first making deposits. Maybe such things happen in your country and not here. However, this back-and-forth delay tactics is common among casinos because they believe that the more your money is with the casino, the higher the chances of you placing bets and losing them.

Totally agree with you, I won't conclude in hurry though never pray or seek to experience such scenario as been narrated by op, I have not witness such one thing is sure is that we learn everyday people experience and how to solve some challenges that seem critical, I won't say some casino don't have transaction delay because I have witnessed just as 'Odohu' pointed that is primarily reason for most casino everyone in business have strategic measure to see how it will retain it's customer, for me the adopted techniques by most casino is very dangerous as most find it difficult to maintain it to the end coursing more panicking to their user.

[leea-1334]

Seems like a nice 'trick',,, can you share @alani123 which casinos replied to you positively after this? And how many abusive casinos have you run into from this forum? I would say I have never run into this issue, but that is because I select the ones I use after a long time,,, even now with SB restarting I am being careful. Watch and wait first.

[tiCeR]

I agree, but prevention would require collective effort. Everyone can of course make sure for themselves that they neither feed these casinos money with deposits nor data for KYC, but more often than not, these casinos are still successfully fishing for either newbies or gamblers who can't resist seemingly great bonuses.

You are right that individuals being cautious won't save the market. The problem is not the free-rider effect, it's that gambling sites don't run short of targets because there's a constant influx of new victims.
People join gambling communities in droves every month without realizing what kind of trap they are jumping into. That is why warning posts won't help, people need to be warned before they make their first deposit.

The neverending influx of new potential victims is one great incentive for scam casinos to keep going, but you have probably noticed how many casinos look  the same, right? The technical requirements to quickly set up a casino that functions well, looks serious and gets promoted within no time are far too low. In the past, setting up a casino took some effort, but I think it doesn't really require much these days. If you want to run a serious one, yes, you need huge amounts of liquidity, but if you want to run a scammy money grab, it is pretty quickly done and once you have done it with one casino, you can just buy new domains, change the layout or colours slightly and go again as often as you want.

Think about it, if these stupid emails work where some guy says you should send $1,000 to then receive $100,000 in return, copying casinos all day long will work just as good.

There are several casinos that let you play without KYC, why bother handing over your sensitive data in the first place...

That is the best point, really. Non-KYC casinos pretty much have already fixed this issue. If you are going to be okay with a shady unregulated casino, might as well use one that does not require you to provide any information at all? Those are better than ones that do.

I still believe gamblers are hopping from casino to casino because of bonus offerings. It is surprising because most of the time the wagering requirements are unrealistic, but you can be absolutely sure that once somebody luckily fulfills those wagering requirements, the account will get shut down if it isn't a casino with a big name in the industry. Even then you are are not safe.

[Agbe]

Nice trick I most say that you applied in making sure that you got your money from the casinos. But what I don't understand is you referring to Casinos as been abusive, abusive is a strong word if you ask me . Gambling is one thing that is guided by rules and regulations especially when ever you see a casino doing a promo, I believe that before anyone will take part in a promo that a casino is bringing such a person will go through the rules guiding the promo, such as wagering and how you can withdraw your winnings. Most gamblers don't care about this and only got stuck when they are told about wagering before withdrawals, so I will not call casinos as abusive.

[Adiljutt156]

You done good job to trick casino because they always deserve to be have lesson like this I personally now having completely different feeling because few months back I register on one casino and then I have big win as I submitted request for withdrawal they ask for clearlying my KYC I send all documents but they done their tricks and never allow to have quick withdrawal in frustration I lost all my $1400 as I ended all my balance after few days they clear my KYC I am feeling pain and now having nothing on these casinos.

Due to these KYC restrictions and regulations things are getting worst just because of this now I always recommend try to clear your KYC before doing anything because in case you could be able to have your funds withdrawal quickly and safely otherwise they will always done tricks and never allow to have things in your favor which are surely frustrating.

[Hatchy]

TL;DR: on licensed casinos you can bail out your balance and withdraw very fast even if they're BSing you by requesting an account and closure and threatening to contact regulators. I'm not sure if this will work with casinos under the Curacao or Anjuan license though which seems to be the most common here.

Well, that is the first time I’m hearing about such tactics. Normally, when casinos start playing their funny games, most players either give up or try to find a solution, but sometimes it still amounts to nothing. From what you are saying, I can imagine how these casinos would respond, but I doubt it would work on many of them. To me, its fair enough because I cant help but imagine what many players have to go through just to make their withdrawals possible. Some casinos go to such lengths that, as a player, you would simply give up on them. That's why I don't stress myself over too many casinos. I stick to just a few that I'm genuinely satisfied with.

[lionheart78]

Nice trick I most say that you applied in making sure that you got your money from the casinos. But what I don't understand is you referring to Casinos as been abusive, abusive is a strong word if you ask me . Gambling is one thing that is guided by rules and regulations especially when ever you see a casino doing a promo, I believe that before anyone will take part in a promo that a casino is bringing such a person will go through the rules guiding the promo, such as wagering and how you can withdraw your winnings. Most gamblers don't care about this and only got stuck when they are told about wagering before withdrawals, so I will not call casinos as abusive.

I read that the casino withheld his funds and delayed his KYC for months, so @OP can't withdraw his money.  If the intention of the casino is to delay the pending KYC so that @OP will be tempted to play and lose his funds, then that intention itself is abusive.  They are abusing the regulation of KYC and making it a tool to make players lose their money by delaying and making the gambler gamble their funds until they are depleted.

[Woodie]

Delay to deplete, this strategy works for the casino's all the time because they know we aren't patient enough to see this through!!

And I like your CC message to them, and that combination of avoiding gambling addiction line got me, well played Alan  smart smart move

I would like to see you pull this one with our notorious crypto casino's especially the non regulated one's 😅

[STT]

My suggestion works even if not ideal, just needs those sports bets with some independent result so you can win elsewhere whatever you are gambling here.  Its not ideal, not trying to recommend it under normal circumstances but if you are stuck between a hard place and nothing you might as well give it a small go see how it goes.

[Agbamoni]

I've seen many complain about communication between them and the support of a casino or an exchange not going well. It's either there the response from the support team is slow, or they don't respond at all. I have not experienced it myself until recently, when I had an issue with one casino during deposits. I won't want to mention the name. The experience is bad. I'm guessing that the support team is taking their time to look at loopholes and ways they can deny rendering help to you even if there is no breaking of rules. If this continues to persist, nowhere will be safe again for gamblers.

[Julien_Olynpic]

This may be interesting advice for players who want to profit from casino bonuses, while trying not to over-leverage their own funds and are willing to waste time dealing with casino administrators who prevent users from withdrawing their free money. However, this strategy doesn't work in jurisdictions without a regulator. Furthermore, if many players try this strategy—if it becomes widespread and widely known at many casinos—then the administrators of these casinos will likely develop protection against it.

[Dareo]

Honestly they do this deliberately. They know very well that if a normal gambler keeps his money for a few days, he will lose patience and start playing again with that balance and eventually lose everything. But yes, I would say the most effective thing is to save every conversation, proof of KYC submission and withdrawal conditions and complain to the regulatory body, as you said. So I think it is better to stay only on trusted and known platforms than to waste your time and peace of mind by going to such unknown or complicated conditions sites for the sake of some free bonus.

[Free Market Capitalist]

TL;DR: on licensed casinos you can bail out your balance and withdraw very fast even if they're BSing you by requesting an account and closure and threatening to contact regulators. I'm not sure if this will work with casinos under the Curacao or Anjuan license though which seems to be the most common here.

No, it won't. This is a major benefit of European regulations for customers. On the other hand, it seems like you have a lot of free time. I wouldn't have wasted that time to earn between 5 and 20 euros per casino, especially since at some of them you'd earn 0.

Honestly they do this deliberately. They know very well that if a normal gambler keeps his money for a few days, he will lose patience and start playing again with that balance and eventually lose everything. But yes, I would say the most effective thing is to save every conversation, proof of KYC submission and withdrawal conditions and complain to the regulatory body, as you said. So I think it is better to stay only on trusted and known platforms than to waste your time and peace of mind by going to such unknown or complicated conditions sites for the sake of some free bonus.

Yes, but that’s the difference between playing at a casino subject to strict regulations and one with lax regulations—or even one that isn’t regulated at all. At Lightlord’s casinos, for example, there have historically been delays in withdrawals when he goes AWOL, and many of those waiting for a withdrawal—sometimes for months—end up canceling it, betting it away, and losing the money. Since these are unlicensed casinos with no KYC requirements, operating in a legal gray area on the internet, there’s no regulatory body to turn to.

[Outhue]

I would rather pass KYC verification before I start to gamble, few casinos gives such access right from the start unlike some that hid the KYC requirement and wait till you won something from the casino, you can clearly understand a casino that wants to be transparent and the one that wants to take advantage of others, once your withdrawal is taking too much time there is a problem, it might not occur right away but later in future, after KYC is passed there shouldn't be any delays with withdrawing.

[Makus]

Excellent strategy I am glad it worked out well for you.
I wonder if anyone else who is experiencing this in their own region would experiment with how you tackled the issue.
Some casinos are just very terrible and they put a lot of bottlenecks when players try to withdraw their winnings so they will be frustrated and let it go.
I ma super happy this worked out in your favor.

Not all casinos but few of them that give players a hard time to withdraw are mostly scam casinos and for others they just have a messed up system that's not well put together. Most of these casinos are aware of the fact that some gamblers can give up easily when it comes to following up issues regarding withdrawals and not every player can be as persistent as OP. But I don't think that this strategy of his can work with every abusive casino.

[PERtua]

I have not had this type of experience with any of the local casinos here and there have never been a time I got free money without first making deposits. Maybe such things happen in your country and not here. However, this back-and-forth delay tactics is common among casinos because they believe that the more your money is with the casino, the higher the chances of you placing bets and losing them.

Totally agree with you, I won't conclude in hurry though never pray or seek to experience such scenario as been narrated by op, I have not witness such one thing is sure is that we learn everyday people experience and how to solve some challenges that seem critical, I won't say some casino don't have transaction delay because I have witnessed just as 'Odohu' pointed that is primarily reason for most casino everyone in business have strategic measure to see how it will retain it's customer, for me the adopted techniques by most casino is very dangerous as most find it difficult to maintain it to the end coursing more panicking to their user.

I believe there is a difference between a normal withdrawal period and a convenient withdrawal period set up by the casino. There may be some delays due to manual reviews. Payment providers or to confirmations on the blockchain. But to repeatedly ask for the same information without specifying a timeframe isn't quite the same. Users should begin documenting all of this. Including support responses and transactions, there. While a casino might want to keep a customer on board. It can easily upset a customer without obtaining their trust by trying to hold them back from withdrawing just to get them to put more money in.

[RGBTC]

after KYC is passed there shouldn't be any delays with withdrawing.

The initial KYC is just a request for standard personal info/docs and doesn't always satisfy the requirements for specific withdrawal amounts, that's why the OP started this thread. There are many cases of withdrawal disputes where the information requested is of a nature that is difficult to provide or resolve within just a few minutes; it is unclear whether such demands align with regulatory guidelines or are simply a crazy internal idea to prevent user from withdrawing their funds.

[xenomorfo]

I would rather pass KYC verification before I start to gamble, few casinos gives such access right from the start unlike some that hid the KYC requirement and wait till you won something from the casino, you can clearly understand a casino that wants to be transparent and the one that wants to take advantage of others, once your withdrawal is taking too much time there is a problem, it might not occur right away but later in future, after KYC is passed there shouldn't be any delays with withdrawing.

When they tell you right away, then yes.
The problem is when they lie and tell you no KYC but then later when you have to take the money.
In any case, for a game I am not willing to give my data.
A game where I then advance the money among other things.

[Findingnemo]

after KYC is passed there shouldn't be any delays with withdrawing.

The initial KYC is just a request for standard personal info/docs and doesn't always satisfy the requirements for specific withdrawal amounts, that's why the OP started this thread. There are many cases of withdrawal disputes where the information requested is of a nature that is difficult to provide or resolve within just a few minutes; it is unclear whether such demands align with regulatory guidelines or are simply a crazy internal idea to prevent user from withdrawing their funds.

Maybe a casino does this to delay or even deny a huge payouts and it is proven that a casino make that move even in BitcoinTalk, but they can just go on doing business for long term if they are selectively scamming their players, the words gets around much faster in the internet era.

However, requesting KYC is genuinely a part of AML and it is safe to say this happens when the user tries to withdraw huge amount than their usual amount.

[Africolo]

Last year I did a run on my country's licensed casinos, creating accounts and trying out their bonus schemes just to test the waters and see if any one of them has a good platform to migrate some of my betting activity there.

Many of these platforms are literally giving away free money just for signing up. You get free bets of 20 EUR in some of them. Although the requirements to be able to withdraw this money is sometimes ridiculous, other times it is very relaxed and I did in fact ended up winning hundreds of Euros from 0 deposits and bonuses that were anywhere from 5 EUR to 20 EUR per casino.

The lesson leaned from there was that the vast majority of casinos, even the ones registered legally and directly with authorities of the country they want to attract players from with full KYC, will always try some very nasty tricks to make their players lose their winnings.

Some casinos delayed my KYC verification for two months! Even though I was careful to complete KYC before betting anything! They saw I won any amount that I would have been eligible to withdraw normally and just disabled my KYC and kept finding shit excuses to not let me withdraw immediately like saying I can only withdraw with a bank for my first withdrawal, or that I even need an attested copy to a personal bank record booklet in my name... Who the hell has physical bank records these days!? I haven't received any paper from my bank for over 10 years personally.

After a lot of back and forth all casinos accepted my otherwise perfectly good documents, but still at the end they were slacking with their responses. They would refuse to service me via live chat and took up to two weeks per email response.

Of course by this point I know most gamblers would have ran their balance to zero. Casinos know this. This is the purpose of support being slow to profitable players even though they have a live chat... And they were doing this to me over 20 or at most 100 EUR. Imagine what they'd do for thousands of you got exceptionally lucky.

After a certain point I got so fed up at casinos doing this I decided I had enough.
I could have let my account there exist to keep receiving some of their offers that are essentially just free money, like free bets, but I decided to try the "final solution"...

Basically, in order to get my funds out asap, I'd just send a message like this:

"I would like to utilise my right to close my account.
You are to proceed with a withdrawal of my full balance to my IBAN immediately.

I will not participate in any promotional actions such as rollover requirements as this would go against your rules to prevent addiction.
Please just message me to confirm of my account closure and the withdrawal of my balance.

This email is CC'd to our country's regulator for future reference."

Even after months of pointless back and forth, such a message would make most gambling sites simply comply to the request and let me withdraw my balance. They suddenly stopped caring about rollover requirements even and were just letting me withdraw my full deposit and winnings. To be fair, I had completed the rollover requirements on the won balance before requesting a withdrawal. But got the occasions I had deposited a small amount, they'd lock my full withdrawable balance claiming I must do a full rollover of the balance again at least 1x as part of an AML rule they invented...

TL;DR: on licensed casinos you can bail out your balance and withdraw very fast even if they're BSing you by requesting an account and closure and threatening to contact regulators. I'm not sure if this will work with casinos under the Curacao or Anjuan license though which seems to be the most common here.

Some casinos are just scammers and they look for means to restrict people's accounts that have won a huge amount of money so they won't pay them, though I haven't had such experience but I have seen a lot of gamblers complaining about not being able to withdraw their money after winning. You will see a casino will say a not KYC registration or verification on opening an account with them but when you win they start demanding for KYC verification.

Before you start depositing or using a casino to bet, the best thing the gambler should do is to follow up the KYC registration process and complete it before gambling so they don't encounter restrictions upon withdrawal, though it's not all the casinos that scam their players but we just need to be careful and follow due process which is completing the registration.