Owlcatz Criticizes Theymos Over Forum Issues — Is an Apology Forthcoming?

[oneadvocate]

Legendary owlcatz has been with us since April 12, 2014. The profile (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=313016) shows a bit more than 9,000 posts and about 2,000 in merit, with activity this month as well. There is no bio. Here you'll find the thread rules, auctions, and trading. In your opening post, you made it clear you have never scammed anyone and want a clean house, even telling others to lock down their accounts. Some have said they will hold you to that. https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5374338.0

Yet you made an issue of the admin.

Take Dec 2, 2021. You wrote that Theymos would have saved a lot of money from scammers if he'd implemented two-factor authentication years ago—hardly a subtle way to call him out. The day before, you told bidders not to bid unless they secured their account, and certainly not to look for reimbursement. You were clear you wouldn’t cover a loss from an unsecured account.

In that same vein, you decried the new forum software as a scam and the setup as a joke, directed at him since he commissioned the work. I have to ask why you used that word.

You also took pity on those with Donator status, saying if you held the rank you would want it to read “Scammed By the Forum.” That is a rank he bestows. He has gone out of his way to point out that donations are general support, not a guarantee of new software. Why put it in those terms?

You still do business here, and in the opening post you called it a well-known scamming forum while professing to want none of the nonsense. Why target Theymos and the donors on a site you continue to use? Do you stand by what you wrote and the call-out, or should Owl issue an apology?

[Vod]

Why target Theymos and the donors on a site you continue to use?

Like why continue to work at a place you hate?

There is money to be made here, but we can still call a thief a thief.

[Fiatless]

There is no perfect system anywhere. It is not wrong for people to identify lapses in a system and give suggestions on how to overcome them. This forum promotes free speech. Everyone is free to express themselves, and Owlcatz's contribution to the forum has been impactful. I don't know what you want to achieve with this thread. From my end, I think this thread is unnecessary.  

[OgNasty]

You also took pity on those with Donator status, saying if you held the rank you would want it to read “Scammed By the Forum.” That is a rank he bestows. He has gone out of his way to point out that donations are general support, not a guarantee of new software. Why put it in those terms?

That’s actually the funniest thing that owlcatz has ever posted in my opinion. Sure, we were “scammed” according to the way people describe that on these forums, but it was also like less than $50 at the time so while it is one of the largest BTC losses this community ever took, I don’t believe it was malicious. People are allowed to criticize theymos. He probably even appreciates it when it is done respectfully. No reason to make a thread.

[examplens]

Legendary owlcatz has been with us since April 12, 2014.

When you say that he has been with us since April 2014, what exactly do you mean, given that you registered the account 5 days ago?
The logical conclusion is that you registered a new account just to present this theory, but you don't want to blame Owlcatz. I guess you still plan to trade with them.

It is unusual that you are hiding behind a new account even though you yourself noticed that freedom of speech is at a high level on the Bitcointalk forum. Open criticism of the first person of the forum is certainly proof of freedom of speech, isn't it?

[OgNasty]

Open criticism of the first person of the forum is certainly proof of freedom of speech, isn't it?

It could be viewed different ways. That sort of thing ultimately has to be proven in a court of law.

[Vod]

Sure, we were “scammed” according to the way people describe that on these forums, but it was also like less than $50 at the time so while it is one of the largest BTC losses this community ever took, I don’t believe it was malicious.

You benefitted quite nicely from his failure (pocketing 7btc) as you did from your own ponzi failure.  (thousands of btc).   If you can think (for a second!) of the people not involved in the scams you two pull, you would understand why a lot of people feel the way owlcatz does.

It could be viewed different ways. That sort of thing ultimately has to be proven in a court of law.

Freedom of speech has been proven in court many times, bozo.   You can write anything you want, as long as it's true.

[OgNasty]

You can write anything you want, as long as it's true.

I feel sorry for you.

[alani123]

Is OP running some AI scrapper to start drama on the forum? His posts seem so out of place and cold that it ends up being funny

[oneadvocate]

I’m not looking to create drama or throw in new material here. These are just facts from the original post.

[alani123]

I’m not looking to create drama or throw in new material here. These are just facts from the original post.

So what fucking value are you creating commenting with an alt account on a separate thread?
Get your shit together mate. Nobody needs to hear it from a newbie and your observations, likely written or assisted by AI, add 0 value.

[owlcatz]

I’m not looking to create drama or throw in new material here. These are just facts from the original post.

I feel so much dumber after reading this, OP alt-account of nobody I give any fucks about...

I stand by what I say / said: 

Go do more homework on how that spiffy new forum software that cost the forum 3000+ BTC turned out.  

BTW, I am not here for $ either - if I was I would post a LOT more & also I haven't done any kind of trades/buys or sells here in quite some time actually.

That said, well. you know what's next I'm sure, dumdum.

[oneadvocate]

Owlcatz, thanks for acknowledging that your statement is true and apologizing to the forum. The great news is that each day is a new start, so we can all move forward constructively from here.

[owlcatz]

Owlcatz, thanks for acknowledging that your statement is true and apologizing to the forum. The great news is that each day is a new start, so we can all move forward constructively from here.

Not apologizing for anything dimwit, so go f*** your mom. 🤷‍♂️✌️👍

[Majestic-milf]

I’m not looking to create drama or throw in new material here. These are just facts from the original post.

Agreed. They are just facts but what's the motive or intent? Like Fiatless said, you shouldn't expect a perfect system but that doesn't mean you shouldn't question things that don't sit well with you but this issue happened over 5 years ago, so why bring it up here. Should Owlcatz come and explain himself to you or what?

[oneadvocate]

Owl you’re a couch coach. Easy to complain from the sidelines when you’re not doing the work or putting any of your own money in as a donor. People actually contributing deal with the real problems and trade-offs. Armchair criticism costs nothing and doesn’t fix anything.

[Vod]

Owl you’re a couch coach.

Who stands behind his words.  On to your next alt. 

[Jessie2121]

Owl you’re a couch coach. Easy to complain from the sidelines when you’re not doing the work or putting any of your own money in as a donor. People actually contributing deal with the real problems and trade-offs. Armchair criticism costs nothing and doesn’t fix anything.

You are now making the whole thing seem less about their (Owlcatz) observations to Theymos and more about your need to get noticed. I don't see what this thread stands to gain other than you being regarded as a troll with attention issues and obviously getting into the ignore lists of people. That's not a good look and even though you might have something meaningful to say, i just feel picking on them for a matter that has been dead and buried for a long time isn't ideal.

[Vod]

Owl you’re a couch coach. Easy to complain from the sidelines when you’re not doing the work or putting any of your own money in as a donor. People actually contributing deal with the real problems and trade-offs. Armchair criticism costs nothing and doesn’t fix anything.

You are now making the whole thing seem less about their (Owlcatz) observations to Theymos and more about your need to get noticed. I don't see what this thread stands to gain other than you being regarded as a troll with attention issues and obviously getting into the ignore lists of people. That's not a good look and even though you might have something meaningful to say, i just feel picking on them for a matter that has been dead and buried for a long time isn't ideal.

oneadvocate writes identical to OgNasty - must be a big fan   

[DireWolfM14]

Not apologizing for anything dimwit, so go f*** your mom. 🤷‍♂️✌️👍

I don't know what kind of fucking retarded tactic that is he's trying.  He posted some similar retarded fuckwittery in my retarded thread.