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October 12, 2026, 11:21:46 AM
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This is one of the reasons I love bitcointalk, you never know what you’re going to see next.

Good to know that the legend is still around and I am privileged to have around

My question:
That particular portfolio of yours that made you say you were Hodling; at what point did you later sell it, or are you still hodling?
In order what words, at what time should someone stop Hodling

this is investment advice. i am clearly a professional. you should stop hodling at 12pm and start again at 5pm every day. you should buy right before I sell, and sell right before I buy. That is how you become a Doge Millionaire. the best part is i solved quantum physics so i don't even need to know your timezone

Careful now, a few more words of wisdom, and you could be a bitcoin guru.

I think your first post already answered the question of why you have come back to the forum after all this time. My other question is: Which boards were the most interesting in bitcointalk at the time?[/i]
Lol, after reading his reply, I was confused because I partially didn't understand, but I had to maintain my steez as if I am a bitcoin guru.
There's a distinction between OGs and the new forum users. Knowledge reduced, sarcasm also did reduce and most notable is conversations are becoming too mechanical, as in when you contribute with a set of rules in your head to obey. Those old dudes did enjoy more value than noise and more freedom of expression.


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October 12, 2026, 03:26:16 PM
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When “HODL” became popular, did it change how people interacted with you on the forum? I’m curious whether you still felt like a regular member or whether people started expecting every comment from you to be about holding Bitcoin.
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October 12, 2026, 06:58:38 PM
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It could be that your brain has been fried from years of drinking, yet it seems problematic to be trying to narrow down bitcoin into certain use-cases or certain utility, especially since you have already said, in previous posts, that there can be various interpretation or even various use cases for bitcoin.  
You're conflating my commentary on blocksize utility and financial integration with my commentary on the kneejerk reaction of bitcoin maxis to anything other than bitcoin.

I am also conflating personal action and theory, and on an individual level, there is likely a whole hell of a lot of importance in figuring out our own bitcoin allocation in terms of our concerns about present and/or future utility and in light of our own budget and abilities to buy bitcoin as compared with other places that we might choose to put our time, energy and value.

So, why should we give any shits in regards to the extent that some people might be classified as bitcoin maxis or not?  Your desire to distinguish yourself from "bitcoin maxis" seems to show that you still have not figured out the superiority of bitcoin or been able to differentiate that dog from the tail.  

As a hint, the tail does not wag the dog, so it is good to recognize that dynamic in bitcoin, especially if you are going to make sure that you  are personally investing a sufficient amount of time, energy and value into bitcoin rather than getting distracted into irrelevant matters.

Maybe another dynamic is worth highlighting in regards to the increased involvement of larger players in the bitcoin space, including governments, financial institutions and various battles related to self-custody and transacting in bitcoin.  Surely each of us has to figure out the extent to which we might choose to involve ourself in self-custody of bitcoin versus keeping bitcoin on exchanges versus getting involved in bitcoin derivative products, and sure we cannot deny that those products might end up affecting our own choices and even how many options that we might have and the ways that we might transact in bitcoin.

For sure, we cannot completely ignore the various ways that bitcoin is being used based on changes in the players in the space, even though there is likely ongoing value to making sure that we are holding some amount of our value in self-custodian kinds of ways, even though surely there are guys (perhaps including yourself?) who are also getting involved in bitcoin derivative products or otherwise failing/refusing to sufficiently distinguish between self-custody bitcoin and various bitcoin third-party and/or derivative products.

If you understand bitcoin you should be excited for crypto in general imo.

To the extent that it matters, do think that you understand bitcoin better than me?  You proclaimed that you had removed yourself from bitcoin several times in the years, and you seem to be having difficulties distinguishing bitcoin from crypto.

Sure, you can do what you like, and you can prioritize what you like, yet I doubt that there is a whole hell-of-a-lot of value that comes in either getting distracted into shitcoins (or other crypto products) or wanting to convolute a potential bitcoin discussion into crypto (perhaps by denigrating bitcoin maxis and not really understanding the value of bitcoin and/or bitcoin first perspectives).

There surely guys who believe that there might be some value in diversifying their finances and their focus, and surely you can look through quite a few of my posts/threads in which I argue that there tends to be quite a bit of value in focusing on bitcoin first and investing into bitcoin first, so in that regard, finances and focus would be on bitcoin and cash until the holdings are built up to a certain acceptable value such as investing 1-2 years of income (or perhaps expenses) into bitcoin, while at the same time building up back up funds that are kept in cash, so perhaps a deciding factor in diversification may well be the build up in cash rather than the build up in bitcoin, even though surely many times it will take guys quite a long time to build up their networth to even relatively minor levels of 3-6 months or more of their expenses in a combination bitcoin, cash and any other places that they might hold value.

Of course, there is a lot of discretion in terms of how to build wealth that also relates to the extent to which a person might be starting from zero or even starting from low amounts of discretionary income (and of course discretionary funds are needed to invest at all, since if there are no discretionary funds then buying bitcoin ends up being trading and/or gambling rather than investing to the extent that you even know the difference). So, then the more resources a person has, then the more options that they have, yet many times, we should not be presuming that average bitcoin newbies are starting out with much if any resources beyond perhaps having discretionary income, and yeah, if they have more resources, then that factor helps them out to have more options in regards to whether to allocate to bitcoin and if so how much to allocate to bitcoin versus other places that they might chose to allocate their time, energy and value.

Bitcoin is fine, I don't need to defend it. It will live if I critique it. It won't disappear if I put 5% in some other projects, and it doesn't necessarily mean I have to sell any of my bitcoin stack either.

Of course, guys can do whatever, they like.  I tend to recommend that guys do not get involved at all in any other projects in the beginning of their building their investment in bitcoin, yet surely we cannot take guys away from their inclinations to trade, gamble or to get involved in shitcoins, which surely the trade/gamble angle can be seen from your HODL post, yet at the same time, there is no reason to believe that you are also not inclined to get distracted into shitcoins, so in that regard, I have frequently suggested that guys do not put anymore than 10% of the size of their bitcoin investment into shitcoins and/or trading/gambling... and, yeah guys are going to do what they like, yet if they might consider limiting their exposure to nonsense then they may well be able to better able focus their time, energy and value into bitcoin rather than inferior products and/or inferior approaches...so yeah, I suppose my frequent concession of up to 10% of the size of the bitcoin investment in shitcoins, trading/gambling remains a bit of an acknowledgment that guys might have difficulties in not getting distracted away from bitcoin.

In fact if you want to build your BTC stack you should take notice that alts aren't going away, diversify some tiny amount when BTC is high vs alts, then fold back into BTC when the opposite happens. One of the safer strategies if you ask me. And there's a few alts that would have made you bank if you hodled them since 2013.

It seems quite strange that you are ongoingly distracted by alts, since 1) there are not very many alts that would have had actually outperformed bitcoin, whether we are referring to starting in 2013 or even 2016/2017 as our starting date, and 2) it seems quite amazing that you feel that you would have had to have needed to outperform bitcoin, especially if you had been able to do most of your bitcoin accumulation in those earlier years, such as 2013 or even if you had done most of your bitcoin accumulation prior to 2017... Of course, the earlier that you had built up your bitcoin holdings the better, even though even longer and drug out bitcoin accumulation still would have ended up doing well for guys who had gotten involved in bitcoin early and stayed focused on bitcoin rather than playing the lottery in some kind of an attempt to figure out which shitcoin (or other project) happens to be less shitty than the overwhelming majority of shitcoins and/or shitcoin-related projects.
 
It is what it is, I'm glad bitcoin is doing well even if I disagree with some things about it.

I am glad that you appreciate bitcoin, since if it were not for bitcoin, the other various shitcoin (or what you like to call it, "crypto") would not even exist in any kinds of a form or format that would have much if any value.  Bitcoin brings value to the whole space in terms of bitcoin having had invented, introduced, discovered a kind of paradigm shifting way of interacting with the world - that had not existed prior to bitcoin,.. and yeah, to repeat my earlier point, bitcoin happens to be the dog, and you seem to ongoingly have difficulties appreciating/recognizing doggie bitcoin (aka king daddy or king doggie).
 
We don't have to agree on everything about it that's part of what makes it great. Like, the voting mechanism described is genius, even if i don't always agree with the result. It's about THAT part, the innovation and the downstream things it enabled, the cryptopunk ethos and drive satoshi had to solve a novel problem. That is what really excited me, that's why I bought it, that's why I still have it and that's why I participate in its derivatives.

At least you seem to recognize bitcoin as the source of value, even if you seem to ongoingly be distracted by derivatives, which likely has contributed to a lot of underperformance of your own holdings, even if seem to want to insinuate that there are some potential greater values in investing in and/or HODLing derivative products rather than bitcoin itself.

I am not going to deny that there are a lot of folks who are able to and who also have been able to benefit from number go up technology (or price exposure to bitcoin) that comes from holding bitcoin derivative products, and yeah, there are ways to benefit from derivative products, even though bitcoin would not have any value if there weren't abilities to hold and transact in bitcoin directly..and yeah on an individual level guys can choose not to hold and transact in bitcoin directly because they might even get some side bribes (such as tax advantages, yield, not being harassed, etc etc by holding paper rather than real bitcoin)....

and of course, we do not have to agree since part of the benefit of a forum like this is that we can interchange ideas and each of us can figure out our own ways of balancing what we are going to do or how we are going to talk about matters, and for sure, some guys will end up being more right than others and some guys will end up tailoring their own balances better to their own situations than others, and we are not always going to know the variation of performance between guys or even accurately assessing our own performance as compared with what it could have had been or should have had been might be challenging for some guys.  

No matter what, a certain quantity of mistakes will be made, and some guys will figure out and adjust better to their mistakes than others.

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Lol, after reading his reply, I was confused because I partially didn't understand, but I had to maintain my steez as if I am a bitcoin guru.
There's a distinction between OGs and the new forum users. Knowledge reduced, sarcasm also did reduce and most notable is conversations are becoming too mechanical, as in when you contribute with a set of rules in your head to obey. Those old dudes did enjoy more value than noise and more freedom of expression.

You (@KingsDen) seem to be presuming that OGs ended up getting their bitcoin versus "crypto" matters right and that they were able to hang onto a sufficient amount of their bitcoin (to the extent that they had any and they were not mixing up bitcoin and shitcoins) so that their various fuck ups along the way did not end up contributing to their continuing to fuck up, over and over and over, rather than learning from their mistakes.

For sure, we can grant that the guys who got into bitcoin early could have had fucked up in very significant ways and still ended up performing quite well in their bitcoin performance as long as they still ended up buying and/or HODLing bitcoin.  We cannot presume that the mere assertion that guys might have had made that they accumulated and/or held their bitcoin that their assertions about what they supposedly did is true and/or that they were able to advance out of their bitcoin accumulation phase and into either maintenance phase or some other variation of having enough or more than enough bitcoin..

because surely we can look back historically and even use some BTC DCA tools in order to verify what even some modest and persistent bitcoin accumulation could have had accomplished, yet frequently so many guys, do not have bitcoin holdings or wealth that are equivalent to what some kind of a modest DCA accumulation approach would have had accomplished.

There are plenty of OG bitcoiners who have not gotten out of their accumulation phase and who even seem to be quite early in their accumulation phase, and sure we cannot really know for sure about the reasons in terms of whether there are objectively problematic issues or merely definitional issues.

Take even a very modest bitcoin accumulation approach of $50 per week that GameKyuubi could have had begun on the day of his famous HODL post.  $33.5k would have had been invested, and nearly 23 BTC would have had been accumulated.  Admittedly most of the bitcoin would have had been accumulated in the first few years, but still accumulating 23 BTC over nearly 13 years would be a quite great place to be, and I doubt that GameKyuubi has any ways to show that he did better from whatever fucking around that he had been doing with shitcoins over the years, unless maybe he launched some shitcoin that he could try to take advantage of his fame that may or may not end up working out for him.. so surely there can be advantages in ongoing BTC accumulation, even if earlier bitcoin guys might not have ended up lump summing into bitcoin.

When “HODL” became popular, did it change how people interacted with you on the forum? I’m curious whether you still felt like a regular member or whether people started expecting every comment from you to be about holding Bitcoin.

Haven't you been able to notice that GameKyuubi had not really practiced accumulate HODL over the years, which would have had been quite great for him financially (and probably psychologically too) if he had ended up practicing it rather than merely posting about the idea of it.

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October 12, 2026, 07:10:01 PM
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There's a distinction between OGs and the new forum users. Knowledge reduced, sarcasm also did reduce and most notable is conversations are becoming too mechanical, as in when you contribute with a set of rules in your head to obey. Those old dudes did enjoy more value than noise and more freedom of expression.
I don’t know….the introduction of the merit system suggests that there was a lot of low quality posts in those days. While it’s true that some of the popular names in bitcoin history were active on the forum at some point, I doubt the users that were around at the time knew they would be a part of such a big project.

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Topic subject and body updated - please reference the OP.

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@JayJuanGee,

If someone is satsfied with their current stack, in terms of being happy with the value of it when it was aquired, it's value now after a long time of accumulation, and it's potential value in the future after hodling, does stopping accumulation of bitcoin to pursue other interests/vectors of entertainment a bad thing? Yes, by other things, I refer to shitcoins/memecoins, but not entirely exclusively. I also aim to ask the question of halting accumulation in the spirit of spending time, energy, and interest in other things/aspects of this beautiful life - does this make someone a "bad bitcoiner", or a "non-believer"? I'm having fun messing around with memecoins. I'm also enjoying the company of my Wife and 2 year-old Son.

I understand corn is severely undervalued, given the world we live in.
I still add to my stack, but not nearly as vigorously as I once did.

This is not a loaded question, and I am asking sincerely/curious about how you feel about it. I chose my words carefully.


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To me, hodling onto something forever feels kind of...unhealthy? We all let go of something eventually, and nothing lasts forever. I do, however, think there's a value of hodling onto something for a long time, in the essence that I feel its future value outweighs it's present value [...]
For me, I can imagine myself HODLING at least a part of my BTC according to a specific meaning: not selling them for fiat. But buying things with them would be allowed: the Bitcoins would then simply work and circulate, with the utopian idea that eventually you could live only with BTC because a lot of people would offer things and thus a real "Bitcoin economy" can grow. I think this is a more realistic reinterpretation of the HODL paradigm Smiley

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Topic subject and body updated - please reference the OP.
Thanks! Cheesy

@JayJuanGee,
If someone is satsfied with their current stack, in terms of being happy with the value of it when it was aquired, it's value now after a long time of accumulation, and it's potential value in the future after hodling, does stopping accumulation of bitcoin to pursue other interests/vectors of entertainment a bad thing? Yes, by other things, I refer to shitcoins/memecoins, but not entirely exclusively. I also aim to ask the question of halting accumulation in the spirit of spending time, energy, and interest in other things/aspects of this beautiful life - does this make someone a "bad bitcoiner", or a "non-believer"? I'm having fun messing around with memecoins. I'm also enjoying the company of my Wife and 2 year-old Son.

I understand corn is severely undervalued, given the world we live in.
I still add to my stack, but not nearly as vigorously as I once did.

This is not a loaded question, and I am asking sincerely/curious about how you feel about it. I chose my words carefully.

I get the sense that this thread has taken too much of a curve ball change, and perhaps when you (@[btc.] by the way your user-name is screwed up) suggested that you might close the thread, that might have had been the better idea, rather than changing the overall theme of the thread... especially since responses had already been given within the parameters of the earlier framing of the topic.

I will attempt to respond to your questions - even though it seems that those kinds of ideas seem to be ongoingly batted around in my investment ideas thread, and there are also subjective valuations that many of us attempt to use to try to figure out how much we should be stacking and/whether we have reached enough or more than enough bitcoin - and many guys who are new to bitcoin, they seem to believe that they will never reach enough bitcoin or even close to enough bitcoin, but then again, it seems that if we are stacking bitcoin within the context of our already existing income, then it seems practical that we might be wanting to either replace our income or some multiple of our income, and it would not really be backing a whole hell of a lot of sense to be striving to be able to replace 100s of times our current income... because it would become less practical regarding how much we are able to stack in light of the current income that we have coming in.

Many times I will talk about aiming to stack around 1-2 years of your current income with an anticipation that bitcoin prices may well sufficiently grow so that at some point (when you reach fuck you status) you would end up with 10x or more of your desired income based on valuing your holdings based on the 200-WMA.

So then in a ballpark way, if a guy is only able to use around 10% of his income to stack bitcoin, then it is going to take him nearly 10 years to stack 1 year of his income and 20 years to stack 2 years of his income, so then in some sense if he is not able to practically stack at a more aggressive (a larger percentage of his income per year) than that, then he may well be relying up bitcoin's own appreciation to magnify (compound upon) whatever value that he had ended up putting into bitcoin.

Another thing that could end up happening, is that if the BTC price ends up going up greatly such as 5x or more, then the guy might feel that he put enough or more than enough value into bitcoin, since the bitcoin start to cost him 5x more than what they used to cost him (or he is ONLY getting 1/5 as much for the same amount of value that he is putting in).

Whether the guy is justified in stopping or slowing down his bitcoin accumulation and/or maybe starting to buy on dips (rather than all of the time) tend to be personal choices, and guys surely might end up having regrets if they stopped and/or slowed down their bitcoin yet the bitcoin ends up doing another 3x to 5x to even 10x or more after they had largely slowed down, stopped or even only bought on dips... so then they have regrets, for example, if they largely told themselves that they would discontinue buying bitcoin in the supra $30k price territories, yet then the BTC price spent a lot of time higher than $30k when they could have had bought, but they were too busy telling themselves that they have enough or more than enough bitcoin (which really was not true, in light of their own targeted standard of living and the amount of BTC that they had accumulated was not enough (or more than enough to be able to accomplish their goals).

At the time (earlier on) they thought that they were doing the correct thing in terms of slowing down or stopping their bitcoin accumulation, but then perhaps a few years later they realize that it is quite likely (if, perhaps, not impossible, that bitcoin prices are ever going to go below $30k again and even their buying between $30k and $60k would have had been better than their purposefully choosing not to accumulate in those prices).

And, yeah, no one can tell anyone else what to do, and surely guys who were accumulating in 2014, 2015, 2016, 2017, 2018 and even 2019, might not have had been punished as much for their having had made the same, or a similar kind of a mistake in their having has purposefully chosen to slow down or stop their bitcoin accumulation earlier than they should have had.

By the way @[btc.], your forum registration has only been less than a year, and frequently I suggest that guys spend at least 4 years or more focused on bitcoin accumulation, and of course you can get involved in various other projects, yet for most of my forum registration, which is slightly more than 12.5 years and I am also coming onto closely 13 years of bitcoin accumulation, if we count late November 2013 as my start date, and I have been spending most of my time suggesting that guys focus on bitcoin ONLY... and yeah shitcoins were still a thing in late 2013 and into 2014 and 2015, but they likely really did not start to take off BIG until the time around Ethereum's launch in mid-2015 and thereafter, shitcoins became easier and easier to get involved in, yet I personally continued to both stay focused on bitcoin and also to suggest that forum members don't get distracted into the various shitcoins... so yeah, I am still not much of a fan of either losing focused or even getting involved in trying to flip shitcoins, whether you are referring to meme coins or other derivative products of bitcoin or shitcoins.

In the end, of course, you can actually do whatever you want, and whether you end up having regrets later is still to be found out.  There surely are some guys (perhaps beyond the promoters of the project who are scamming others) who end up figuring out how to get in and out of various shitcoins, yet I would imagine your odds are pretty low to out perform a practice of staying focused on bitcoin and building up your bitcoin holdings and to HODL onto them.

The extent to which you are a "bad bitcoiner" for not keeping your focus on bitcoin is also to be found out..  Even if you might consider that there might be some fun in meme coins or whatever your other various shitcoin projects and/or trading bitcoin, I continue to believe that fuck meme coins and shitcoins to be a better approach, but do whatever you like in terms of your bitcoin versus non bitcoin balance, if you are having fun wasting your time, energy and value on that crap.  It tends to take a whole hell of a lot of time to both build up a bitcoin holdings and to be able to hang onto your bitcoin holdings through the ups and downs of life (and the various competing interests that we need to balance, as you suggested to be the case with a lot of guys).

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... and what the term means to you outside of just simply holding onto bitcoin forever.
The term reminds me of, "what whiskey could cause" that turned ingenious.

Secondly, I tend to see myself whenever I use the wrong–spelling–turned–right–spelling as distinct and as someone who's genuinely interested in cryptos each time I do. It's the same way I see those who use it that way too.


My question to @GameKyuubi would be if they actually would've taken the Hodl word back if they had the magic wand and ability to do that when they recovered from their tipsy state, (don't want to say drunkenness). I believe they got bashed for that misspelling when it first got out.

 
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To me, hodling onto something forever feels kind of...unhealthy? We all let go of something eventually, and nothing lasts forever. I do, however, think there's a value of hodling onto something for a long time, in the essence that I feel its future value outweighs it's present value [...]
For me, I can imagine myself HODLING at least a part of my BTC according to a specific meaning: not selling them for fiat. But buying things with them would be allowed: the Bitcoins would then simply work and circulate, with the utopian idea that eventually you could live only with BTC because a lot of people would offer things and thus a real "Bitcoin economy" can grow. I think this is a more realistic reinterpretation of the HODL paradigm Smiley
For the bitcoin marxist the feeling would be completely different from when he is able to buy things he wants using his bitcoin from when he just has to sell it for fiat before he can be able purchase anything. I believe nobody wants to only be holding their bitcoins forever, at some point people will want to spend some, to at least experience how it feels spending your bitcoin on somethings you need and it turning to a normal thing where we can find people and places to spend our coins.

Am of the opinion that the vision for bitcoin isn't complete if we're just being able to only accumulate and hold it for it increasing value over time without being able to directly use it as medium of exchanging for goods and services at some point.

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the feeling would be completely different from when he is able to buy things he wants using his bitcoin from when he just has to sell it for fiat before he can be able purchase anything. I believe nobody wants to only be holding their bitcoins forever, at some point people will want to spend some, to at least experience how it feels spending your bitcoin on somethings you need and it turning to a normal thing where we can find people and places to spend our coins.
It's never wrong to spend your bitcoin for anything and people are all free to spend their bitcoins with whatever ways for whatever things they feel it's helpful for them at any time.

It's also related to how they started in Bitcoin market, with different mindset, people will choose either investment or trading, then have different strategies to do as well as plans or without plans on how to spend their bitcoin or how to sell their bitcoin, and when to do that.

With people who began well enough based on their research about Bitcoin, and their experience in Bitcoin market and with Bitcoin investment, they can have bigger weight of their plans for investment and holding while spending and using bitcoin are possible in their plans but for the minority of bitcoin they have.

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For the bitcoin marxist the feeling would be completely different from when he is able to buy things he wants using his bitcoin from when he just has to sell it for fiat before he can be able purchase anything.
It is not only a "maxi" feeling Smiley

If we accept the Network Effect theory, then every Bitcoin user increases the value of the network.

But Bitcoin is a network of senders and receivers. If you only act as a receiver or do not even send or receive you don't unleash the full potential of you "power" or "value" in the network. This is the same thing as if you are a user of a social network, but you only consume the content others provide. It is quite obvious that for example Instagram is more "valuable" if there are many people also providing content and not only consuming it.

IMO somebody holding Bitcoin only to sell it for fiat doesn't really act as a sender, as he only receives it and tries to benefit from it but doesn't make the "content" (the BTC) "circulate".

So a "fake holders network" in which the users later sell their coins for fiat would be less valuable than a "TRUE HODLERs network" where the coins are later put into circulation, using them to receive (accepting payments) and send (paying for goods).

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It is not only a "maxi" feeling Smiley

If we accept the Network Effect theory, then every Bitcoin user increases the value of the network.

But Bitcoin is a network of senders and receivers. If you only act as a receiver or do not even send or receive you don't unleash the full potential of you "power" or "value" in the network. This is the same thing as if you are a user of a social network, but you only consume the content others provide. It is quite obvious that for example Instagram is more "valuable" if there are many people also providing content and not only consuming it.

IMO somebody holding Bitcoin only to sell it for fiat doesn't really act as a sender, as he only receives it and tries to benefit from it but doesn't make the "content" (the BTC) "circulate".

So a "fake holders network" in which the users later sell their coins for fiat would be less valuable than a "TRUE HODLERs network" where the coins are later put into circulation, using them to receive (accepting payments) and send (paying for goods).
Like like the term HODL and the action term HODLING but I am realistic that people buy bitcoin and hodl it to use later, likely taking profit, exchanging it for something else, trading it, giving it away as donation, passing it to the others as inheritance. In the end, it will be used one way or another and it will be circulated again.

I dislike the way of interpreting HODL and HODLING like holding it forever, holding it to die with it. It's very unrealistic.

With bitcoin, it has been possible and will be possible to use it when you want or have need but with shitcoins, it will turn to be "Hold to die" with shitcoins.

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I dislike the way of interpreting HODL and HODLING like holding it forever, holding it to die with it. It's very unrealistic.

I'm not sure if 'unrealistic' is the best descriptor - plenty of people out there surely have inheritance-style plans for coins beyond their time here as a fleshbag. It's coin that's HODLed 'forever' in the sense that it's their forever, from the perspective that it gets passed on to someone else they trust/care about 'n all that.


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In the end, it will be used one way or another and it will be circulated again.
I agree, but my point is that it makes a difference if you hold only to sell at some point for fiat, or if you aim to really put it into circulation, strengthening the network of merchants and "users" (in the sense of "people who pay for it").

And I think only few people would think "HODL" in such a strict way that not even inheritance is allowed, like @[ btc ] mentioned.

In fact, many (in this forum or other communities) use the term "HODL" in the sense of holding the BTC for the mid or long term and above all (like in GameKyuubi's post) to not be tempted to sell it during a bear market, this means a sale for fiat after 5-10 years would be "allowed" under this definition. But for me, a true HODLer at least should aim to use at least some of the HODLed Bitcoins to make it circulate as a currency and strengthen the network.

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In the end, it will be used one way or another and it will be circulated again.
I agree, but my point is that it makes a difference if you hold only to sell at some point for fiat, or if you aim to really put it into circulation, strengthening the network of merchants and "users" (in the sense of "people who pay for it").

And I think only few people would think "HODL" in such a strict way that not even inheritance is allowed, like @[ btc ] mentioned.

In fact, many (in this forum or other communities) use the term "HODL" in the sense of holding the BTC for the mid or long term and above all (like in GameKyuubi's post) to not be tempted to sell it during a bear market, this means a sale for fiat after 5-10 years would be "allowed" under this definition. But for me, a true HODLer at least should aim to use at least some of the HODLed Bitcoins to make it circulate as a currency and strengthen the network.

And I agree with that, since HODL does no mean, people should not touch their Bitcoins.

Anyone can still fit on its spirit. Even if they sell and as long as they are already gaining then try to secure their profit. The other angle is if they try to inherit it to. That word became famous, because it catch people's attention and help them calm down on bear market situation.

Sometimes we need to spend our Bitcoin to, because those payments will help Bitcoin role to be recognize same as real money. Not for just investment matter or long term investment.

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I dislike the way of interpreting HODL and HODLING like holding it forever, holding it to die with it. It's very unrealistic.
I reckon, holding forever doesn't make sense. Everyone has their own plans of until when we're going to hodl.
And at what price we'll start selling.
I was too late on the ama of GK on this thread. But those who are going to hold forever probably are also the ones who have made an acronym for what HODL means for themselves.
'Hold on for dear life.'

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