Online based roulette and physical wheel roulette which more transparent?

[DPHOR]

Sorry to draw your attention for those who who deal on live roulette on the physical wheel roulette, and those who play roulette online which is more transparent?
The reason why I draw this discussion is because, I am having this feeling that physical wheel roulette is more transparent because the online roulette which being coded with some data without one possibly know how transparent it's could be hard for someone to win while gambling. Realistically, I am a fan of sports betting but somehow beginning to find interest in roulette. So, I would want to hear from those who has made used of the both physical wheel and online wheel which is more reliable for winning?

After some comments I would lock this thread to avoid over flooding. Please be strict on your comments to avoid deletion.
Thank you.

[Oshosondy]

This can be arguable, but I will choose online roulettes that is verifiable using the game seed which is very well enough for transparency. But I do not think it is all online games that can be verified, especially those fiat casinos, but I am not sure. Though what gamblers look for the most are reputable gambling sites.

[DPHOR]

This can be arguable, but I will choose online roulettes that is verifiable using the game seed. That is enough for transparency. But I do not think not all online games can be verified, especially those fiat casinos, but I am not sure. Though what gamblers look for the most is are reputable gambling sites.

So what about those who doesn't know how to verify it to know if it's transparent enough?
At this point, do we need someone to help those who can not do that one their own?
This is the reason why I still choose the physical wheel because then, at your front it will be rolled without anything hidden out there unlike the online roulette. Yes, you are right for those who knows how to verify their game if is transparent or not.

[Dave1]

Sorry to draw your attention for those who who deal on live roulette on the physical wheel roulette, and those who play roulette online which is more transparent?
The reason why I draw this discussion is because, I am having this feeling that physical wheel roulette is more transparent because the online roulette which being coded with some data without one possibly know how transparent it's could be hard for someone to win while gambling. Realistically, I am a fan of sports betting but somehow beginning to find interest in roulette. So, I would want to hear from those who has made used of the both physical wheel and online wheel which is more reliable for winning?

After some comments I would lock this thread to avoid over flooding. Please be strict on your comments to avoid deletion.
Thank you.

In my years of experience playing in both land based and online, I would say that I prefer physical casinos as I think it's like easier to read. I'm not saying that I have a perfect strategy, but most of the time when I played on land base casinos, I have high chances of winning. I have experience winning like 10x in a row with single digit number betting around 15 numbers. So there is still money to make with that kind of winning streak.

As compare to online, even if I look up at the biased numbers or what they call "hot" numbers, sometimes those numbers or at least it's neigbouring numbers are not hitting. Leading me to conclusion that maybe they put it there to mislead their bettors.

[Oshosondy]

So what about those who doesn't know how to verify it to know if it's transparent enough?
At this point, do we need someone to help those who can not do that one their own?

There are people that will verify how the game they are playing is often, just to make sure the gambling site is not manipulating. But anyone that does not know how to verify the game that he played from its seed, the person can learn how to do it and it is not that time consuming.

[Questat]

You can share your observation and it's never wrong.

However, I believe that when a casino is licensed and their games are checked, we can expect that their games are transparent. So the key here is to play on a reliable casino, but you are not forced to play, you can still choose to play in a physical outlet if you believe it's more transparent than online-based, but what I'm saying is that if it's verified and tested for transparency then what you have as an observation might not be real without evidence.

[Derekfunds]

It is very okay to think or feel this way op is feeling that the physical wheel roulette is more transparent because you maybe playing with someone physically and not with some kind of program. However, this may not be completely true because I have seen where someone used some charm or magic to control the outcome of a game and I have also seen this in movie and I believe something like that is very possible since some people can go extra miles to make things work or favor them, it is of note that I will say no one is more transparent than the other.

[MAAManda]

So what about those who doesn't know how to verify it to know if it's transparent enough?
At this point, do we need someone to help those who can not do that one their own?

There will always be experts who come just to test it all, what you need to do is choose to play on a platform known for having a good reputation.

This is the reason why I still choose the physical wheel because then, at your front it will be rolled without anything hidden out there unlike the online roulette.

Is there really nothing being hidden? If so, how do you verify that there's truly nothing being hidden?

You know, I once saw a video on YouTube showing that a roulette ball could be manipulated using a remote control, which would affect the outcome. If you don't believe it, you can look it up yourself on YouTube. I'm not saying that every casino employs such ruthless tactics, but it's possible for them to do so.

[Cointxz]

If you will be more specific on which online roulette then this will be easy to answer but assuming you mean the online roulette which game provider offers that doesn’t have any way to verify results then my answer is the physical roulette since it can be physically check assuming that the casino offering it has a good reputation.

The answer relies on what is the reputation of the casino/game provider  offering both roulette.

There’s an exception which is a roulette that is using a real provably fair system on results. That specific result is I believe the most trusted.

[$crypto$]

Isn't roulette in online casinos verifiable? There are independent sites that can do this, sometimes casinos also explain this.
https://provenlyfair.com/provably-fair-verifier/
https://www.cloudbet.com/en/casino/provably-fair/roulette
https://stake.com/id/provably-fair/implementation

Some articles from various casinos that say roulette is proven to be fair.
So you say which one can count on to win, it's not entirely sure because it depends on luck.

[Wiwo]

This is debatable, but I will choose online roulette that is verifiable using the game seed, which is good enough for transparency. But I don't think all online games can be verified, especially at fiat casinos, but I am not sure. Though what gamblers look for most are reputable gambling sites.

Very arguable because even the roulette on physical casinos can still be manipulated and not be fair to the players; what we look for is the possibility of having verifiable source code that we can use to verify the authenticity of the game outcome.

I understand OP's concerns about not expecting fair source code for online roulette games, but what he should do is make sure he plays only at reputable casinos that offer a way to verify the game outcome.

[len01]

This is the reason why I still choose the physical wheel because then, at your front it will be rolled without anything hidden out there unlike the online roulette.

Just because the game is played right in front of you doesn't mean you can automatically trust physical roulette. Your assumption is correct, there may be nothing hidden, but do you really know what goes on behind the scenes?

Sorry, I'm not trying to ruin your trust in physical roulette, but in some places, physical roulette tables can be rigged in ways you may never notice, and there's no way for you to verify it.

[ralle14]

I've mostly played online roulettes so i'll be leaning towards that side plus most casinos usually provide tools to help you verify them. If you still have doubts, you could run an experiment to prove them wrong.

The closest thing i've had with physical roulettes are the live ones from third party providers, and to me, it's more difficult to tell how they conduct their fairness because we players don't know the stuff they'll perform behind the scenes.

But when it comes to winning, i'd pick live or physical over online because of how the rounds work.

[Zlantann]

So what about those who doesn't know how to verify it to know if it's transparent enough?
At this point, do we need someone to help those who can not do that one their own?
This is the reason why I still choose the physical wheel because then, at your front it will be rolled without anything hidden out there unlike the online roulette. Yes, you are right for those who knows how to verify their game if is transparent or not.

I have come across several software programs that the developers claim can independently test the fairness of casino games. I have not tested them, so I cannot ascertain if they can really verify the fairness claims and randomness of an online roulette site. I also think that physical roulette might be more transparent since you could observe the game.

[Dr.Bitcoin_Strange]

So, I would want to hear from those who has made used of the both physical wheel and online wheel which is more reliable for winning?

@OP, first you have to understand that there's nothing like reliable winning in gambling, your chance of winning depends on luck but in this contest, I guess you meant which one of them can be more biased in terms of result, right?

Well, playing roulette in physical casino, you can observe the results yourself by watching the ball land but it doesn't completely mean that by observing the spin that you can easily prove that the wheel is unbiased, you have to know that there can be equipment or dealer misconduct too at the physical casino.  Similar to online casinos, some non reputable casinos can still manipulate the outcome of the game, that's why if you want to be sure that your game result is unbiased, you can verify through the probably fair algorithm of the game depending if the casino you are using offers it.

The conclusion is that, if you are playing at reputable physical or online casino, you are sure to win according to your luck without being cheated on by the casino, saying this based on experience.

[Odohu]

Roulette is one of the games that depends entirely on luck and irrespective of physical or online,  you need luck to win. It us not always easy to verify the transparency of these games because they are already developed with inbuilt house edge and even when the seed is available, shady people will surely find ways to cheat players. To be at peace with yourself,  it is better to rely on luck and most importantly, manage uour risk properly.

[qwertyup23]

This can be arguable, but I will choose online roulettes that is verifiable using the game seed which is very well enough for transparency. But I do not think it is all online games that can be verified, especially those fiat casinos, but I am not sure. Though what gamblers look for the most are reputable gambling sites.

Personally, I would prefer to play on a physical roulette given the impossibility of having it rigged. I mean, there are just lots of factors that cannot be physically controlled nor changed especially when you consider the touch of human elements (e.g. human pushing the wheel, the weight of the machine, etc.).

In online roulettes, I do agree that you can check for the seed in order to verify its authenticity. Additionally, you could also rely on the reputation of the casino to check if they have history of changing or rigging their rates to their advantage.

Roulette is one of the games that depends entirely on luck and irrespective of physical or online,  you need luck to win. It us not always easy to verify the transparency of these games because they are already developed with inbuilt house edge and even when the seed is available, shady people will surely find ways to cheat players. To be at peace with yourself,  it is better to rely on luck and most importantly, manage uour risk properly.

I definitely agree with you. It's just really impossible to change or to cheat something on a game that is primarily based on luck especially roulettes. However, this can still be a platform for cheating if it is done on a shady casino who lacks any verifiable source to its authenticity.

[mak013]

Sorry to draw your attention for those who who deal on live roulette on the physical wheel roulette, and those who play roulette online which is more transparent?
The reason why I draw this discussion is because, I am having this feeling that physical wheel roulette is more transparent because the online roulette which being coded with some data without one possibly know how transparent it's could be hard for someone to win while gambling. Realistically, I am a fan of sports betting but somehow beginning to find interest in roulette. So, I would want to hear from those who has made used of the both physical wheel and online wheel which is more reliable for winning?

After some comments I would lock this thread to avoid over flooding. Please be strict on your comments to avoid deletion.
Thank you.

In an online casino, you can check whether the game is fair, but I don't think the average gambler cares about that. In a land-based casino, no one will allow you to check it. If we assume a gambler can't prove the game is fair, then it just comes down to what you believe.

There's one more thing to remember. I'd prefer a land-based casino for roulette, but in my country it's not easy to visit one - it takes me about a day to get there one way. So I'll choose an online casino and just trust that it's fair.

[Betwrong]

Of course, online based roulette is more transparent. If it's biased it would be easy to spot, and that's why only unlicensed shady casinos could think of something like that if they were super evil. Physical wheel roulette, on the other hand, is almost definitely biased, because physics comes into play whether we want it or not. The question is, how much does it affect players? The fact that out of 1,000,000 spins not 500,000, but 499,990 come out red — how much does that affect us, the players? Not much, if you think about it.

[KTChampions]

Sorry to draw your attention for those who who deal on live roulette on the physical wheel roulette, and those who play roulette online which is more transparent?
The reason why I draw this discussion is because, I am having this feeling that physical wheel roulette is more transparent because the online roulette which being coded with some data without one possibly know how transparent it's could be hard for someone to win while gambling. Realistically, I am a fan of sports betting but somehow beginning to find interest in roulette. So, I would want to hear from those who has made used of the both physical wheel and online wheel which is more reliable for winning?

After some comments I would lock this thread to avoid over flooding. Please be strict on your comments to avoid deletion.
Thank you.

The odds of winning are the same - they are negative, so I wouldn't talk about them.
If we talk about entertainment, then of course, physical real roulette is better (and more transparent). By the way, a physical roulette wheel can (and there have been many stories where this has happened) give distorted results, but isn't that the beauty of the physical world? If I wanted mathematical abstractions, I’d have chosen Dice instead.
By the way, the path from sports betting to roulette strikes me as very strange. In my opinion, development (as gambler) is the path from slots -> roulette -> betting, and the opposite path is, I would say... simplification