Online based roulette and physical wheel roulette which more transparent?

[Su-asa]

The truth about this is that every gambler has their favorite, and when it comes to either physical or online gambling (roulette, to be precise), many will literally choose physical roulette because they can see almost everything, like the wheel spins and the rest. However, there are still some gamblers who also love gambling online because of privacy, so for such gamblers, they don't care about transparency; they only want to to be anonymous.
Actually, everyone wants to win, and when the losses becomes worst, they will try to check the fairness of the games and truth be told that even with transparency, anyone can sti.ll lose their money because luck is more important.

[fighter2627]

I have not experienced playing gambling in land based casinos due to that my idea, there is a membership here if I'm not mistaken. Then it's a bit of a hustle if you don't have your
own vehicle to go to a land based casino.

So I will choose play Roulette casino online due to it's safer and hassle free, there are some for sure might not agree with me but I respect them. This is just based on my perspective
here on the topic created by op.

[Uhwuchukwu53]

I prefer physical roulette that can see even if some secret behind is not know by me than online where computer will cheat me without identifying that such is happening around me because the physical aspect it's easy to identify over time, and roulette is full of luck it requires better experience to even make any win online is more dangerous than physical though it's my choice, I once play physical roulette in one of my formal residents when I do observe how result and the out come are present both from the booking setting and everything required so the physical is more better, to not ignorant that changes where the online could give better results may be there but have not given much attention.

[Alex077]

Well, playing roulette in physical casino, you can observe the results yourself by watching the ball land but it doesn't completely mean that by observing the spin that you can easily prove that the wheel is unbiased, you have to know that there can be equipment or dealer misconduct too at the physical casino.
The conclusion is that, if you are playing at reputable physical or online casino, you are sure to win according to your luck without being cheated on by the casino, saying this based on experience.

I think the first thing we need to do here is separate the fairness of roulette itself from the gambler's mathematical chances of winning.  The house still has its mathematical advantage. For example, in European roulette with a single zero, the house edge is 2.7%, while in American roulette with two zeros, it's already 5.26%. And these numbers are exactly the same for both physical roulette and its online version, as long as the rules are the same. So I'd pay attention to the type of roulette first, rather than where you're playing it.

And even when Provably Fair is available, it doesn't eliminate the house edge. And I still wouldn't say that a reputable casino guarantees you'll win if you're lucky. What it should guarantee is a fair game and the payout of legitimate winnings, but certainly not the win itself.

[Yorubek]

It is very okay to think or feel this way op is feeling that the physical wheel roulette is more transparent because you maybe playing with someone physically and not with some kind of program. However, this may not be completely true because I have seen where someone used some charm or magic to control the outcome of a game and I have also seen this in movie and I believe something like that is very possible since some people can go extra miles to make things work or favor them, it is of note that I will say no one is more transparent than the other.

I think the knowledge and skills of a gambler are the most effective in truly understanding the transparency of roulette results. Naturally, what we see in front of us seems more transparent to us, and it is more acceptable. However, casinos that are reputed, valid licensed and have been operating for a long time will never manipulate the results because the reputation of their casino is involved here. They will always publish the results with transparency.
I never believe that miraculous power or magic can influence the outcome of gambling in order to control the outcome. It is absolutely clear that miraculous power or magic are of no use in winning.

[atookz]

I'm not sure “transparent” is the same as “winnable” and folks get them confused.

It really doesn’t matter whether it is a real wheel or a fair online one, on winning. The casino has a built-in advantage either way, about 2.7% with European roulette and 5.26% with American (the added 00 is a bane). Each spin is also independent, so “it's been red 5 times, black is due” and the Martingale won't affect a thing. After some time you realize that the math will catch up with you.

I get why a physical wheel feels more transparent: you can see the ball drop. But you’re still trusting the casino not to tamper with it, so it’s not quite as verifiable as it sounds. Online RNG is a black box, unless the website is licensed and audited by a third party. Provably fair is likely the most transparent of all options as it can be verified by the player. Just keep in mind it only proves the result wasn’t changed, it doesn’t make your odds any better.

To answer your question, I don't believe either one is "more reliable for winning". I would just pick the one that is least likely to be rigged and I would treat whatever I put in as money spent on fun, not as a way to make money.

[alani123]

Both can be transparent

A virtual game should have provable fairness and then it can be shown that the results are pre determined.

As of games with a physical wheel, we know it's possible to play with a live dealer which increases the entropy and therefore is more random. But also a casino can publish their results so players can audit them individually even for physical games. Especially if they're ran online this is even easier.

[Tungbulu]

The truth about this is that every gambler has their favorite, and when it comes to either physical or online gambling (roulette, to be precise), many will literally choose physical roulette because they can see almost everything, like the wheel spins and the rest. However, there are still some gamblers who also love gambling online because of privacy, so for such gamblers, they don't care about transparency; they only want to to be anonymous.
Actually, everyone wants to win, and when the losses becomes worst, they will try to check the fairness of the games and truth be told that even with transparency, anyone can sti.ll lose their money because luck is more important.

The question isn’t about which one a player prefers, it’s about which is more transparent than the other. And honestly, I believe there are several factors that could be considered before arriving to the conclusion of which is better. But honestly, I’ve always had this mentality that the old tradition gaming is always way more transparent, since one is seeing everything, just like you said, you get witness the wheels turn, and everything in real time, while the online experience may look smoother and a lot more polished, but I still believe that it could be easily manipulated.

[CryptoHeadlineNews]

Sorry to draw your attention for those who who deal on live roulette on the physical wheel roulette, and those who play roulette online which is more transparent?
The reason why I draw this discussion is because, I am having this feeling that physical wheel roulette is more transparent because the online roulette which being coded with some data without one possibly know how transparent it's could be hard for someone to win while gambling. Realistically, I am a fan of sports betting but somehow beginning to find interest in roulette. So, I would want to hear from those who has made used of the both physical wheel and online wheel which is more reliable for winning?

After some comments I would lock this thread to avoid over flooding. Please be strict on your comments to avoid deletion.
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Yes, I agree with you on what you just said above regarding the physical casino being the most transparent than the online ones, since the wheels of the physical Roulette casino game can be observed physically, while ensuring that the balls is not been manipulated. When it comes to the Online roulette game, such can't be possible, since the online roulette wheel game is known to use Random Number Generator (RNG), and sometimes, this Random Number Generator (RNG) can be altered to favour the casino the most. Which is why an inspected physical roulette game will be more transparent than the online.

[Findingnemo]

Roulettes, dice, slots or whatever the games we see are also audited for their Randomness by the gaming centres which is kind of very important for them to provide the games to the gambling operators, so we can't say it is being coded which is the other way of saying rig. While the physical wheel can be biased if the one who rolls the balls knows exactly at what momentum they need to spin it if they don't want to land on the particular spot.

[Nwada001]

This can be arguable, but I will choose online roulettes that is verifiable using the game seed which is very well enough for transparency. But I do not think it is all online games that can be verified, especially those fiat casinos, but I am not sure. Though what gamblers look for the most are reputable gambling sites.

It's just a thing of choice, that’s what I can say. Even the land offline roulette, where you can see the dealer live and how the wheel is being rolled, I can trust what I see with my eyes more than code, just as you can trust the code as long as you can verify it.

[Muba20]

There is a common misconception among gamblers that there is a difference between online roulette wheels and real roulette wheels. In most cases, gamblers trust real roulette more. But licensed online casinos are also transparent. It is not possible to determine with certainty what the next number will be on a real wheel roulette. If there was such a possibility, then of course people would gamble more on real roulette than online roulette. Just as live online roulette has a real wheel and ball, real roulette also has a real wheel and ball. Some may have the idea that one number can come up repeatedly after the wheel or ball of real roulette is damaged, but this is not possible because the wheel and balls are constantly maintained, which is why the next result cannot be guaranteed after getting one result. A common perception among those who use online casinos that online casino results are manipulated, but in reality, this is not the case with all online casinos.

[Tungbulu]

It's just a thing of choice, that’s what I can say. Even the land offline roulette, where you can see the dealer live and how the wheel is being rolled, I can trust what I see with my eyes more than code, just as you can trust the code as long as you can verify it.

I share in your mindset. I also believe that seeing a live seeker can make the game feel a lot more transparent, but this may also not also automatically prove that the game’s outcome is actually fair. It’s also pretty much applicable to codes too, it can be quite useful to verify the game’s outcome, but another thing should be if you really understand what you’re checking too.
In conclusion, both approaches actually require some level of trust, depending on the user, but the most important thing is understanding the limits of what you’re actually verifying.

[rachael9385]

The reason why I draw this discussion is because, I am having this feeling that physical wheel roulette is more transparent because the online roulette which being coded with some data without one possibly know how transparent it's could be hard for someone to win while gambling.

First of all you need to understand that both physical and online roulette is designed to favour the casino (house edge) and speaking of transparency it's common to think that the physical roulette is better because you can see it right in front of you but that doesn't mean that winning is still going to be easier than online roulette, because both of these are still based on luck and the outcomes are random.

If you are using an online casino that's reputable and you know that this game in particular is provably fair then you don't have to worry about it being transparent or not, all you have to do is gamble responsibly and hope to get lucky.

[Su-asa]

The truth about this is that every gambler has their favorite, and when it comes to either physical or online gambling (roulette, to be precise), many will literally choose physical roulette because they can see almost everything, like the wheel spins and the rest. However, there are still some gamblers who also love gambling online because of privacy, so for such gamblers, they don't care about transparency; they only want to to be anonymous.
Actually, everyone wants to win, and when the losses becomes worst, they will try to check the fairness of the games and truth be told that even with transparency, anyone can sti.ll lose their money because luck is more important.

The question isn’t about which one a player prefers, it’s about which is more transparent than the other. And honestly, I believe there are several factors that could be considered before arriving to the conclusion of which is better. But honestly, I’ve always had this mentality that the old tradition gaming is always way more transparent, since one is seeing everything, just like you said, you get witness the wheels turn, and everything in real time, while the online experience may look smoother and a lot more polished, but I still believe that it could be easily manipulated.

Everything still comes down to what a gambler prefers. If you don't like something, you won't enjoy doing it all the time, and obviously, many people feels cheated because they can't see the fairness of their game (mostly when losing too much), and fairness has to do with transparency. However,  the bold comment is also what I said earlier, and from my perspective, it's one of the things many gamblers will prefer, as they witness everything that happens in a land-based casino (physical casino).

[Bluedrem]

You can physically observe the transparency of real roulettes, but you can never investigate the inner workings of online roulettes. Maybe they are full of people, maybe they maintain maximum transparency. However, suspicion can also change from casino to casino. There are some casinos that want to maintain maximum transparency and always promise transparency to users, but there are some casinos that constantly cheat users. In their case, the main suspicion is.

[Mrbluntzy]

So what about those who doesn't know how to verify it to know if it's transparent enough?
At this point, do we need someone to help those who can not do that one their own?
This is the reason why I still choose the physical wheel because then, at your front it will be rolled without anything hidden out there unlike the online roulette. Yes, you are right for those who knows how to verify their game if is transparent or not.

For someone that doesn't know how to verify how authentic the result of their bet is, there are guides online on how to do it, the person would just have to go through the guides and learn how to do it, I even made a search and I found three topics on this forum that gave such explanation, they are: Quickly Verify Provably Fair Bets from Your Browser - Bitcointalk and Do you verify every bet as a gambler? Provably Fair Guide. and How to check fairness of your bet - based on Luckydice

 It's normal to like or choose playing at the physical casino, however it does not change roulette as a game of luck, even if you are playing at the physical wheel which will be in front of you like you said, if the operator tampered the machine to give inaccurate results, you won't know.

[Grace333]

For casinos that are highly reputable there is no need to question this fact because it's common knowledge that they are transparent, so when talking about online casinos that this is questionable it's not really all casinos. But unarguably physical roulettes are more easier to observe unlike online based roulettes that have already being programmed. whichever one you decide to pick involves luck when it comes to winning. This is a good point but no ones take on this should be that based on the fact that physical wheel roulette are more transparent meaning that winning is easier, that's a wrong analogy.

[qurbanshah02]

For casinos that are highly reputable there is no need to question this fact because it's common knowledge that they are transparent, so when talking about online casinos that this is questionable it's not really all casinos. But unarguably physical roulettes are more easier to observe unlike online based roulettes that have already being programmed. whichever one you decide to pick involves luck when it comes to winning. This is a good point but no ones take on this should be that based on the fact that physical wheel roulette are more transparent meaning that winning is easier, that's a wrong analogy.

This does not prove that they will cheat in roulette or not because there is no difference between online and real roulette as in real roulette the game movement can be changed with a button at the bottom of the game and what can happen in online roulette. In addition, some roulettes cannot do such movements but in gambling most of the money is earned from two numbers in the same way although I do not believe in both. You can take it based on luck to some extent because no one can succeed in every game with their mind and analysis but in reality gamblers do some manipulation so that they also get profit. I do not consider roulette in any way to be different from the tricks of casinos because they definitely make money from it. Some rich people play this game more because it makes them feel rich so that the gambler gets more profit from it.

[5W-KILO]

I don't expect any gambler to know which is more transparent than other because this is something you can't figure out on your own by simply gambling, this is something that someone who works as a game provider for casinos will know not us.

I am not a fan of roulette but this question makes no difference for me, gamblers will have to figure out what works best for them, in the case of gambling transparency depends on how you are treated.

If I lose too much on a casino I will definitely feel like I've been cheated.