We should not rely on centralized privacy providers

[Amphenomenon]

Conclusion: we should not try to maintain our privacy by relying on centralized services as such centralized services are likely to be shut down and such services are full of risks and red flags due to requiring a middle man, when it comes to maintain a good privacy, while Bitcoin is fully P2P.

Ok and we should do what then?

In your entire topic and conclusion, you only said not to use mixers or centralized providers

But if I have 0.5 BTC and I want privacy to send to another person what do I do? Because mixers are a great way to solve this, and yes they can be honeypots or store information, but what other option we have? Do not just attack the solution without giving us the right one

Op are referring to those where logs are not in a total control of the users, not just logs though the coin themselves.

There are others services built that doesn't follow this standard, they offer decentralised services, all of this goes beyond KYC but site like kycnot.me can be helpful in this light to know some that offer not just non Kyc service but are also decentralised.

[mikel_012]

Op are referring to those where logs are not in a total control of the users, not just logs though the coin themselves.

There are others services built that doesn't follow this standard, they offer decentralised services, all of this goes beyond KYC but site like kycnot.me can be helpful in this light to know some that offer not just non Kyc service but are also decentralised.

Can you name some services that doesn't follow this standard and are decentralized like you say?

I do not know many that offer privacy, no kyc and are also decentralized

If it is decentralized most of the time it has full transparency in the blockchain and so you can not have any privacy

[PostQuantumBTC]

Op are referring to those where logs are not in a total control of the users, not just logs though the coin themselves.

There are others services built that doesn't follow this standard, they offer decentralised services, all of this goes beyond KYC but site like kycnot.me can be helpful in this light to know some that offer not just non Kyc service but are also decentralised.

Can you name some services that doesn't follow this standard and are decentralized like you say?

I do not know many that offer privacy, no kyc and are also decentralized

If it is decentralized most of the time it has full transparency in the blockchain and so you can not have any privacy

The one that I know have been taken down, but only Wabisabi remain but which people are not advised to go for on this forum. I have been using centralized mixers with Tor and I am good with it. There are times that I exchange bitcoin to monero and monero to bitcoin but many of the exchanges are centralized that allow Tor but have good reputation.

[Dreadboost]

There is nothing like centralized privacy; we are using a non-custodial wallet or a custodial wallet. This will determine whether we are on the safer side or not. Centralized exchanges do not have any privacy at all. You can only have what you want when you are using a non-custodial, open-source wallet, or you run a full node for your privacy.

There are centralised service provider for privacy and the OP gave examples if you checked it out.
Non custodial wallets don't guarantee or improve privacy
It Just means a wallet where your keys is proven to be controlled by just you.

Centralized service providers or a centralized exchange platform, both of them share the same problem. That a person is relying on a third party to process and access their information. The function of a centralized service provider and a centralized exchange may render different services, but neither of them can guarantee privacy. Even a non-custodial wallet can guarantee privacy. Non-custodial platforms give control and access to users, that's just the difference.

[Comeacross]

Privacy is free but at the same time to really stay private on the internet you need to do the complicating moves, IPs and VPNs and many others needs to be a easy play to you, many people will find this too complex.

I know a friend who wants privacy if possible but he isn't ready to practice and get used to the process of staying anonymous online, and to be fair it's not going to be easy for someone who haven't been doing it for some times already.

I feel like privacy is slowly fading and harder to run, or maybe I should say it's more tasking now too stay true anonymous online, the existence of AI isn't even helping.

If it cost nothing to go private online, everyone will be practising it. It's not as simple as we normally talk and not everyone can actually practice it full time. Moreover, if you're not into tech, you'll never understand how to use some privacy tools as a normal internet user. People don't have problem going absolute private online but many can not make use of the tools accurately. It's not as if people don't care but practicing it is not really easy.

Learn to mask IP, use onion routing, use PayJoin and any other collaborative protocols that secures privacy.

PayJoin is actually underrated. I believe with time people will start using it more.

[348Judah]

Centralized privacy platform have risk because they are thought party platforms that ensures the put us through the privacy path, but come to think of the risk in using them as well because they are still centralized, bound to manipulations and scam, the process in everything they do may not be trusted 100% except we are only dealing with a reliable one among them, this is what we should always have in mind that true privacy is when we are running a bitcoin full node.

[Zlantann]

Centralized privacy platform have risk because they are thought party platforms that ensures the put us through the privacy path, but come to think of the risk in using them as well because they are still centralized, bound to manipulations and scam, the process in everything they do may not be trusted 100% except we are only dealing with a reliable one among them, this is what we should always have in mind that true privacy is when we are running a bitcoin full node.

Privacy depends more on us than on the privacy tools we use. Anonymous services provided by centralized platforms cannot be fully trusted. Most of these centralized operators retain complete logs of your transaction history, input/output addresses, and IP addresses. The government has also developed advanced means to unmix mixed coins. This is why users should consider implementing some measures that will not expose personal information to these privacy service providers. The use of CoinJoin specialized wallets could also be helpful in the quest to achieve privacy.

[Karl_3000]

The government has also developed advanced means to unmix mixed coins. This is why users should consider implementing some measures that will not expose personal information to these privacy service providers.

Most of the mixers that were on this forum before the mixer ban were centralized. Also most of the mixers you people joined their campaigns on Altcoinstalks are centralized. So are you posting against what most of you people are campaigning for?

The government has also
The use of CoinJoin specialized wallets could also be helpful in the quest to achieve privacy.

Which one do you think is good?

Have you seen any centralized among them that gave government information before after claiming that they keep no logs?

[Natalim]

Centralized privacy platform have risk because they are thought party platforms that ensures the put us through the privacy path, but come to think of the risk in using them as well because they are still centralized, bound to manipulations and scam, the process in everything they do may not be trusted 100% except we are only dealing with a reliable one among them, this is what we should always have in mind that true privacy is when we are running a bitcoin full node.

Risk will always be present, even in decentralized platforms. But knowing how manipulation is high with those centralized privacy providers, that's already a red flag when it comes to our hard-earned cryptos. Privacy should be given the biggest weight here, and it can only be possible if we get rid of centralized privacy providers and stick with decentralized ones. Even the most reputable centralized providers aren't safe and trustable at all, some of them are still prone to high scam attacks that could result into the total loss of our coins.