Shishir99 (OP)
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October 18, 2026, 12:59:04 PM |
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Some of the moderators' actions really convinced me to think that they care about who reported the posts. They don't care if the report is from an average forum member. To support my claim, I am giving you some examples. A heavyweight forum member posted some off-topic things in a scam accusation thread, quoting my post, and insulted me - https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5593577.msg67248195#msg67248195Then I posted a reply, which was deleted by the moderators - probably because of off-topic - https://bitlist.co/post/67249243Then, that heavyweight forum member posted another reply and quoted my post - which is also off-topic - https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5593577.msg67249525#msg67249525I reported both of his posts, which are still there. But my replies were removed by the moderators. How fair do you think it is? I once heard that if a post is removed, Other posts quoting that reply get removed as well. But it is not happening for some specific forum members? Is it because they are some forum elites? This post of mine was removed by a Moderator without checking the context - https://bitlist.co/post/67243604
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Mitchell
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October 18, 2026, 01:05:45 PM |
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Only replying since I removed https://bitlist.co/post/67243604 after which I sent you a private message as a courtesy. Copying what I sent. I've left out your parts, since I'm not going to leak those without consent. Feel free to share, I do not care: oneadvocate was banned as they were an howardsentell alt. Nothing to do with bitbollo.
I have not followed any of the drama and I do not intend to get involved, since I have zero interest in the Gambling section and have no idea what happens in there. The mods there can deal with it.
The only posts of yours that I've removed where in the AI topic, were I can easily determine if something was off-topic or not (LoyceV even called you out on the irony). Either it is an AI report or someone accused replying, everything else is pretty much off-topic to me.
Just telling you, out of courtesy, that oneadvocate was a howardsentell alt.
This was an incorrect and thinly veiled attack on bitbollo, which was proven wrong, so ignoring that part, it added nothing (new) to the oneadvocate discussion (who was howard). That is why I removed it.
This will be one and only reply on this topic. I do not follow the drama, do not have time for drama and had my fair share with Collectibles for a while. Gambling is a section I've had on ignore for years and I don't intend to change that.
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Free Market Capitalist
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October 18, 2026, 01:09:48 PM |
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Some of the moderators' actions really convinced me to think that they care about who reported the posts. They don't care if the report is from an average forum member.
Leaving aside what Mitchell has said, O think they are just humans, and they won't act so quickly if the report is made by a newbie instead of a Legendary member. But at your level, I don't think they are looking at trust feedback or anything to handle reports. Probably a mistake or not checking the context, as you say. What you are not saying here is that both your reply and bitbollo's one were deleted from this thread. In his case two replies were deleted.
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Shishir99 (OP)
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October 18, 2026, 01:11:58 PM |
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You were very kind to send a message while you deleted my responses. Since you already posted your part, I would also love to share the message I sent to you, so the community can check and let me know if I am overreacting. I appreciate your response. However, I am more curious why you are deleting my posts and not bitbollo who is constantly posting off-topic. You are not allowing me to answer him. He provokes me first, and then I reply to him.
My posts are being deleted, while his posts are there. Is it because he is a heavyweight forum member?
Apologies if there was a misunderstanding. Since you handled the reputation board reply, I thought you handled the scam accusation board replies as well. I see you removed two posts - not ONE. I do not have any complaints about the last one, which was about being off-topic, and I admitted this in my post myself. Sometimes Topic A brings Topic B. I really think the moderators care more about the heavyweight forum members. You should read the context before you delete a post. I did not posted that out of nowhere. But, I would let it go because I also think it is kind of off-topic. As for the other post As FinneysTrueVision pointed out already, he got banned. However, I am now curious if the ban should be extended to his other accounts if it is exposed somehow. It is pretty clear that the account owner is not someone new. He knows a lot of things about the forum members. I strongly suspect it is an alt account of bollo, who has been attacking the people who have excluded him or removed him from their trust list. The first post of this account was in bollo's reputation thread and supported him, while this account attacked the people who did not support Bollo. Even though I locked the reputation thread already, Bollo quoted me and mentioned me in other threads and tried to provoke me to speak again. I view this as an attack. But I hope he won't use AI with his main account. Even if I am wrong with my assumption, this was not Off-topic since we are talking about the user oneadvocate, he used AI, and I am the one who reported his posts. These AI posts are still there, which was not handled. So, I don't get why you would delete this post. As for the scam accusation board replies, if it's not you, then another Moderator deleted my post but kept bitbollo's posts, which I clearly mentioned in that post. I am going to create a thread in META soon. Thanks for your responses. Since when have the moderators injected themselves into personal things between the forum members? Since when are the moderators allowed to delete posts because someone is incorrect? Even if I am incorrect, does your power really allow you to remove the posts? As for the attack, I said I suspect, not confirmed. How do you think it is an attack? Even if it is an attack, does your Mod responsibility force you to protect someone from attack? If so, would you protect me from his attacks? He has posted dozens of nonsense so far. Would you be kind enough to check the posts I said are off-topic? https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5593577.msg67248195#msg67248195https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5593577.msg67249525#msg67249525I was attacked in these two posts. These are off-topic too. The moderators deleted my responses to these posts. But bitbollo's posts are there. Would you protect me from his attack? Probably a mistake or not checking the context, as you say. What you are not saying here is that both your reply and bitbollo's one were deleted from this thread. In his case two replies were deleted. Yes, I am not saying this. It's because I think it was fair since both parties' replies were deleted, and I agree that it was kind of off-topic. But please check the context and check who provoked whom. I did not provoke him anywhere or mention his name since I locked the reputation thread. But he has been attacking me everywhere and the moderators are not allowing me to answer him.
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Free Market Capitalist
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October 18, 2026, 01:25:31 PM |
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Yes, I am not saying this. It's because I think it was fair since both parties' replies were deleted, and I agree that it was kind of off-topic. But please check the context and check who provoked whom. I did not provoke him anywhere or mention his name since I locked the reputation thread. But he has been attacking me everywhere and the moderators are not allowing me to answer him.
Lol. That happens to you because you haven't done this. 
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snipie
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October 18, 2026, 07:22:31 PM |
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Shishir99, I believe the misunderstanding between you and bitbollo got to an end... This topic wouldn't help to prove anything against mods. You need to collect systematic trend favouring your opponent so the administrators could take an action which I believe it is not the case here. Please lock the topic to avoid unnecessary escalation here. We had enough in the other board.
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Sandra_hakeem
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October 18, 2026, 09:59:02 PM |
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But please check the context and check who provoked whom. I did not provoke him anywhere or mention his name since I locked the reputation thread. But he has been attacking me everywhere and the moderators are not allowing me to answer him.
Moderators don't have the right to interfere in y'all personal vendetta, but at the same time, the whole drama has to end somehow. Shirshir could decide to end it by simply ignoring all notifications from the other guy and, it won't take long before everyone gets over it. Op, I can tell you're hyper-vigilant and that's OK. Remember how you weren't getting the desired responses from the same user after you brought up an accusation which was later overturned? I assume you don't want to deal with any of that again. Just thinking out loud.
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Mitchell
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October 19, 2026, 07:54:52 AM |
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If that's the reason, why account "howardsentell" isn't banned yet? If i understand the rule correctly, his main and all alt account should be banned.
I don't know why it doesn't show up in external tools. Maybe their existing ban was edited. No clue. All I can tell you is that they are most def. banned.
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LoyceV
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October 19, 2026, 08:00:56 AM |
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Shishir99, I believe the misunderstanding between you and bitbollo got to an end... Bitbollo didn't delete the negative feedback, but lost their DT-status from DT1 Strength (7) to DT1 Strength (-3) in 3 weeks:
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Shishir99 (OP)
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October 19, 2026, 10:35:01 AM |
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Shishir99, I believe the misunderstanding between you and bitbollo got to an end... This topic wouldn't help to prove anything against mods. You need to collect systematic trend favouring your opponent so the administrators could take an action which I believe it is not the case here. Please lock the topic to avoid unnecessary escalation here. We had enough in the other board.
I don't think I misunderstood anyone. I know this topic won't restore the deleted posts; I don't care about it either. But I am just showing you guys how fair they are. Even a Global Mod admitted that he deleted one of my posts because he thinks it is an attack against bitbollo. I am just curious if this is within the Mod's responsibility to defend someone personally and delete the posts. The moderation can't be fair if they remove posts because they think one user is attacking others. I can say the same thing. Do you think he would delete posts for me? Even after locking the Reputation thread, bitbollo has been provoking me in other topics, posting off-topic, and the moderators are not handling the reports. They are deleting my posts, and I think they are not allowing me to post a reply against him. Bitbollo didn't delete the negative feedback, but lost their DT-status from DT1 Strength (7) to DT1 Strength (-3) in 3 weeks:
He didn't delete it because he knows he will be on the DT network again after the DT reshuffle. The good thing is, I can see one of his posts was removed after I created this topic. Do I really need to create a thread to get a fair judgment from the Mods?
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October 19, 2026, 12:03:38 PM |
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I don't think I misunderstood anyone. -snip- Even a Global Mod admitted that he deleted one of my posts because he thinks it is an attack against bitbollo.
I think you misunderstood Mitchell. He only deleted your post because it was off-topic and added nothing new to the discussion. Whether or not it was an attack against bitbollo was irrelevant in his decision, he was just pointing out that your assumption (that oneadvocate is bitbollo's alt) was wrong. This was an incorrect and thinly veiled attack on bitbollo, which was proven wrong, so ignoring that part, it added nothing (new) to the oneadvocate discussion (who was howard). That is why I removed it.
Maybe you're just overthinking things. A wise man once said  : Take a break, come back with fresh mind and I am sure that will help.
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doggywin
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October 19, 2026, 12:20:14 PM |
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Some of the moderators' actions really convinced me to think that they care about who reported the posts. They don't care if the report is from an average forum member.
That has always been the case. I have been on both sides inside the favored group and outside the favored group, and the difference is big. How you get treated depends on your social standing here. Prestige Bias: A specific form of in-group bias where individuals favor those who hold high social standing or respect, often leading to preferential treatment in hiring, social interactions, and decision-making. Affinity Bias: While broader, this often overlaps when the "respected members" share similar backgrounds or traits with the observer, leading to unconscious favoritism toward those who are socially validated.
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snipie
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Shishir99, I believe the misunderstanding between you and bitbollo got to an end... Bitbollo didn't delete the negative feedback, but lost their DT-status from DT1 Strength (7) to DT1 Strength (-3) in 3 weeks: Yes, I am aware about that part and this topic isn't the solution to solve it. It is up to DT members here to judge about the situation and take action accordingly. That negative trust was the origin of the chaos that happened and it is unfortunate to stay that long. When I saw the locked topics, I thought everything is fine but I didn't pay attention about the possibility of his return to DT1. It is unfortunate that no one was able to fix it.
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Rikafip
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October 19, 2026, 02:59:38 PM |
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I did not provoke him anywhere or mention his name since I locked the reputation thread. But he has been attacking me everywhere and the moderators are not allowing me to answer him.
It is true, in that case where both yours and his posts were deleted (I reported them, but probably there were more who are also annoyed AF with that drama) he started it, but you joined in that offtopic. In the end, it doesn't really matter who started when you are both derailing the thread from its initial purpose. Free Market Capitalist gave you a good advice: put him on ignore and forget about it. And he should do the same.
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theymos
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They don't care if the report is from an average forum member.
That's not true. I looked into that post around when it was first reported, a few days ago. It seems to me like he's mostly addressing the main topic, though it's a very difficult-to-understand post, especially without thoroughly reading the whole thread, so I'm not 100% sure. I left it unhandled to see if any other mods understood the full context enough to make a decision on it, but it remained unhandled, so I guess not. If no moderator has strong conviction that a post should be deleted or should not be deleted, such that the report remains unhandled, then our collective decision is that it's an edge case where's it's better to err on the side of leaving it. Also, this isn't the case with that particular post, but speaking generally: seemingly-contradictory moderator decisions can sometimes be made if the reports are handled by multiple independent mods who didn't see what the other mod did or was looking at. none of them mention the main account received ban.
Third-party services only know about bans which appear on the public moderation log, and not all bans appear there. Temporary bans are intentionally not publicly logged, and a small number of permanent bans also end up not being publicly logged due to the way they're created (often due to a temporary ban being made permanent).
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Welsh
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October 19, 2026, 07:15:03 PM |
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think they are just humans
I can neither confirm nor deny  . they won't act so quickly if the report is made by a newbie instead of a Legendary member.
I can only speak for myself, but here's my input: In 99%+ cases, I don't care who has submitted the report. However, sometimes it can be useful. For example, local boards if a few users are reporting the same topic, and I know they're a part of the local community that can be sometimes considered if I'm on the fence about something. Since, I personally believe local boards are a much tighter knit of community usually and I normally try to be respectful for what the users actually want in their local boards. Obviously, this is for borderline cases and not for clear outright spam or anything that is actually within the rules. I don't just allow users clearly 'ganging' up on other users to get their otherwise within the rule post deleted (though this basically never happens). There's probably a few other instances that aren't coming to mind. However, yeah the user who has submitted the report is the least of my concerns, and usually its not a factor. I don't think they are looking at trust feedback or anything to handle reports.
I do sometimes for the user being reported. Lets say I'm considering nuking someone, however I check their trust profile and find they have a accusation against them etc. If I deem it substantial enough, I won't nuke them and instead request a global / admin to ban them instead as I believe nuking would erase something I think is important. There's a few other instances I might check trust, but its usually for nuking. As for the user reporting, yeah pretty much never.
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October 19, 2026, 09:36:05 PM |
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Some of the moderators' actions really convinced me to think that they care about who reported the posts. They don't care if the report is from an average forum member.
To support my claim, I am giving you some examples.
Also believe it that your prove according to the claims might probably not be enough to convince everyone, especially those that may be of the same views as those set of moderator's you think that are not doing the forum moderating duties properly. If we come to think of it in the right order, I doubt if there was to be necessity of the moderators haven to check user's level in the forum before attending to their report's. Don't be surprised that some of those members who hadn't really been participanting on discussions in the forum could claim that they've built experiences on reading more than making Post's which is determined by their activity counts in the forum. When such members make some post, you're probably seeing their rank still low but their posts are being constructive with good qualities. So I'll say that checking the contents and informations of the user's reports should be more important than considering the user's activity counts, rank rate or visibilities.
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alegotardo
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☢️ alegotardo™
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October 19, 2026, 11:59:56 PM |
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My honest opinion on this... we need distinguish "inconsistency" from "bias": a difference in treatment obviously deserves an explanation, but attributing this difference to the influence of a user obviously requires additional evidence (which I have not see in this thread). The entire content needs to be analyzed, like... one message might mainly discuss the fraud accusation and include a provocation, while the other might only respond to the provocation, and then they are not equivalent.
Anyway... I do not think there necessarily is bias, I think what we have is moderators who are very overloaded, who do not have time to analyze the full context, and sometimes more than one moderator handling equivalent reports (from the same discussion), each with their own opinion.
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