Trolls, shitposters and sockpuppets: why post on Bitcointalk?

[legiteum]

Hi folks,

I've been doing some "meta" thinking about myself and my participation in this forum lately. In other words, why do I even post here?

When I first signed up for bitcointalk I was in the middle of building a crypto project, and thought my participation in a forum like bitcointalk could be a way to promote it. That turned out to be wrong  . I quickly figured out that the audience here is far too small to make any difference to any serious project--and it takes way too much effort compared to more straightforward ways of promoting a new project.

My original project died (it "pivoted", as startups do, into something that's not crypto-related), but something interesting happened: I still enjoyed participating in this forum. Why? A couple of reasons.

First, as somebody who has been posting online since the 1980s, I need to say this: this is a very well-run forum. Kudos to theymos and the others who keep this forum working and useful, because I know very well that this is not easy to do, especially in a subject area such as this one.

Second, while posting here can seem like a waste of time--and, technically, it absolutely is--I've actually learned a lot here. Online forums are excellent venues to try out new ideas--especially ideas that one might not have time to try out on IRL colleagues. They are great places to try out thoughts, and to discover other half-baked thoughts that might turn out to be something interesting. For me, online forums are the primordial soup that generate new, seriously useful ideas--even though probably 95% of the content you will sift through will be totally useless, offensive, or even totally crazy.

And despite the trolls, the shitposters and the sockpuppets, this forum is still very useful. While I praise theymos et. al. for keeping these forces from ruining the forum's usefulness, they are like cockroaches in the kitchen of a five-star NYC restaurant: you always get some no matter what you do.

I have learned a lot here about a multitude of subjects, and I'm a better person for it. I think I've added to the overall conversation as well, and have illuminated others. (I have watched many of my most vociferous detractors adopt some of my ideas--although they'd never admit this in a million years  ).

Don't get me wrong, I'm not here to bullshit anybody: technically speaking, posting of Bitcointalk is a waste of time. But we all do lots of things that are wastes of time, don't we? Is posting here more productive than playing an FPS? From doomscrolling on Facebook? Then watching the EPL? I think so. As far as "leisure activities" go, at least this one allows you to learn something... occasionally.

So kudos to the mods here at Bitcointalk, and keep up the good work. I may or may not keep posting on Bitcointalk actively, but that will be due to my own life's schedule, and not the quality of this forum.

[Hatchy]

Alright, good bye.. I'm sure no one will miss you..

[PrivacyG]

I read all your text but still do not understand.  Are you calling your self a shit poster, troll or sock puppet offering your reasons why it is worth posting here as one?

[Cookdata]

When I first signed up for bitcointalk I was in the middle of building a crypto project, and thought my participation in a forum like bitcointalk could be a way to promote it. That turned out to be wrong  .

I think you attracted the wrong audience I guess. The kind of project you wanted to build is for X kind of dumb people that run after shitcoins. You were promoting a meme coin and you are playing victim card.

Haypenny is a digital currency platform, allowing anybody to create their own memecoin in just a few minutes and start trading it with others. (The platform is still in Beta and currently does not trade to outside currencies).

So after 2 years, you still think everyone here are the problem, alright, good bye.

[libert19]

Oh! I thought this was going to be a post bashing the forum. Plus, looking at comments, I am actually wondering if I am reading the same topic as everybody else OR am I not reading in-between the lines?

Alright, good bye.. I'm sure no one will miss you..

Did you misunderstand the topic or are you genuinely being rude? Oh wait... I got a better one — did you actually read the topic?

Are you calling your self a shit poster, troll or sock puppet offering your reasons why it is worth posting here as one?

OP is deffo not calling itself those three things. It's saying,

despite the trolls, the shitposters and the sockpuppets, this forum is still very useful.

@OP people get paid for posting here, how much more useful you want the forum to be? In all likelihood, this is most useful forum you can find on Internet, I am all ears if you know anything better. Plus, you can always ignore accounts which you feel aren't adding value while you surf the forum.

Edit: Typo

[legiteum]

Alright, good bye.. I'm sure no one will miss you..

Huh? I have no plans to stop posting here. What gave you that idea?

I read all your text but still do not understand.  Are you calling your self a shit poster, troll or sock puppet offering your reasons why it is worth posting here as one?

LOL, nice try, shitposter  .

Oh! I thought this was going to be a post bashing the forum. Plus, looking at comments, I am actually wondering if I am reading the same topic as everybody else OR am I not reading in-between the lines?

Yeah, I can see the only-read-the-subject-line folks are already piling on. Oops. I seriously should have written the subject line differently. Oh well.

@OP people get paid for posting here, how much more useful you want the forum to be? In all likelihood, this is most useful forum you can find on Internet, I am all ears if you know anything better. Plus, you can always ignore accounts which you feel aren't adding value while you surf the forum.

I honestly didn't know people got paid to post here. Wow. I know I certainly wouldn't pay anybody to post here. 

But maybe it's because I've never visited the more "commercial" parts of the forum, I only frequent the opinion sections?

Anyhow, my entire point was that this forum is useful despite the shitposters.

I compared bitcointalk.org to a Five Star Restaurant. I don't know what else I can do.

[libert19]

Oh! I thought this was going to be a post bashing the forum. Plus, looking at comments, I am actually wondering if I am reading the same topic as everybody else OR am I not reading in-between the lines?

Yeah, I can see the only-read-the-subject-line folks are already piling on. Oops. I seriously should have written the subject line differently. Oh well.

Yep, it could have been better but it should be etiquette of the user to read title and topic content both before responding to topic.

@OP people get paid for posting here, how much more useful you want the forum to be? In all likelihood, this is most useful forum you can find on Internet, I am all ears if you know anything better. Plus, you can always ignore accounts which you feel aren't adding value while you surf the forum.

I honestly didn't know people got paid to post here. Wow. I know I certainly wouldn't pay anybody to post here. 

I honestly wonder meself too at times why companies pay but they do and I am all in for that.

But maybe it's because I've never visited the more "commercial" parts of the forum, I only frequent the opinion sections?

Nah. This is actually one of better parts of the forum, the 'commercial' section would be gambling discussion board ^[1] which is far worse.

Anyhow, my entire point was that this forum is useful despite the shitposters.

I compared bitcointalk.org to a Five Star Restaurant. I don't know what else I can do.

If people don't read topic content, it's not your fault, is it? Don't worry you should be geting users reading topic content hereon... I hope.


[1] https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?board=228.0

[Sandra_hakeem]

I read all your text but still do not understand.  Are you calling your self a shit poster, troll or sock puppet offering your reasons why it is worth posting here as one?

I'm genuinely confused PG.

When I first signed up for bitcointalk I was in the middle of building a crypto project, and thought my participation in a forum like bitcointalk could be a way to promote it. That turned out to be wrong  .

I think you attracted the wrong audience I guess. The kind of project you wanted to build is for X kind of dumb people that run after shitcoins. You were promoting a meme coin and you are playing victim card.

Oh no, he's not done yet. 2 years later and he's still trying to explain how his scam attempt was supposed to bring an exact opposite solution to the pump-dump on other shitcoins.

Does anybody know what you are supposed to do about totally insane, incoherent accusations of scamming?

The post above is totally mindless, and this entire thread is about preventing pump-and-dump scams in the memecoin marketplace, yet the poster marked my account as "promoting pump-and-dump scam" (), which is the very opposite of what I am doing.

These type of nonsensical manipulation is the reason why I check a user's feedback before I even think of responding to their garbage post.

So after 2 years, you still think everyone here are the problem, alright, good bye.

Do you get it? Ironically, Haypenny ain't got a penny, so he's been looking for investors. Deepshit!

[Churchillvv]

Sometimes you don’t need to seek validation or attention, the best thing is to quietly reduce you posting like you want to based on your activities or judging from what you said above.

Secondly, the forum is not a social media so expectations have to be cut shorts and your opinion might not hold much relevance because of the system that is being used here, but however you’re just one of the passerby like me so one day we will all not be the holders or participants of the forum like those who started 2010 to 2012 most are not longer in the forum so don’t take the forum overly to heart nobody will remember you and me in forum in decades to come.

[cryptoaddictchie]

And despite the trolls, the shitposters and the sockpuppets, this forum is still very useful.

I like this statement, however without those guys this forum will be utterly boring af. Theres no perfect hub for a discussion without having such users.

Technically speaking, posting of Bitcointalk is a waste of time.

Since you are a tech guy and probably a developer who build something out of your head by coding thats precisely an accurate feedback since you devoted your time on building but this place isnt a github but rather a place for discussion so expect it to be useless for your technical skills. However since you admitted youve learn a lot here it adds something worthwhile in other aspect of your personality which I believed cant be coded.

I may or may not keep posting on Bitcointalk actively, but that will be due to my own life's schedule, and not the quality of this forum.

Have some fun here until the end bro. Godspeed!

[legiteum]

And despite the trolls, the shitposters and the sockpuppets, this forum is still very useful.

I like this statement, however without those guys this forum will be utterly boring af. Theres no perfect hub for a discussion without having such users.

LOL, maybe you are right . I come here for the disagreement, that's for sure.

That said, I don't mind people saying, "I disagree with you and I think that's a stupid theory yadda yadda yadda". I get that all of the time. And in fact, in hindsight, some of the ideas I've put out here were stupid, which I learned from the discussion here.

But you know that your argument is a winning one when you make and argument about Bitcoin and the response is that... you are a "racist" and a criminal scammer. All that tells you is that your argument triggered some snowflake...   

Indeed, when you get that kind of response, my instinct is to thing, "whoa, I might be on to something".

Technically speaking, posting of Bitcointalk is a waste of time.

Since you are a tech guy and probably a developer who build something out of your head by coding thats precisely an accurate feedback since you devoted your time on building but this place isnt a github but rather a place for discussion so expect it to be useless for your technical skills. However since you admitted youve learn a lot here it adds something worthwhile in other aspect of your personality which I believed cant be coded.

Yeah, my comment was probably overstated. Posting here is not totally useless, but there are probably things I can be doing that are, technically, better uses of my time (but less fun).

[Livingleged]

From the look of things here some users here didn’t probably understand what OP is saying. To me it’s very clear that the forum has been helpful to him even though there had been other issues around shit posting and the rest. it’s still the best forum you can see on the internet Space for discussion like this. However, I wasn’t here when he was advertising his project 2 years ago but if older users says the project wasn’t good enough for the forum then I think that’s a fair judgement to it. one thing I know about this forum is that if you come here with a nice project it will be welcomed, and if you come with some sort of scam agenda you’ll be rewarded equally.

[The Sceptical Chymist]

And despite the trolls, the shitposters and the sockpuppets, this forum is still very useful. While I praise theymos et. al. for keeping these forces from ruining the forum's usefulness, they are like cockroaches in the kitchen of a five-star NYC restaurant: you always get some no matter what you do

That's an analogy that fits this place like a glove (and I hate to spout cliches).

Assuming you're writing in your own voice and not using some AI tool, it would suck it we lost more members like you, i.e., ones who can express themselves coherently and know how to write.  Yep, this place is a mess and has been for years prior to you registering--but like you said, you learned a lot in spite of that and there are some discussions worth participating in, although the prevalence of such gems is dependent on the section and more so on how many signature campaigns are running at any given moment.

Like you, I came for one reason and wound up staying for another in spite of all the noise.  This place taught me everything I know about cryptocurrency (which admittedly is laughable compared to some of the big brainy-brains I see flaunting their hypertrophic noodles in the technical sections) and used to be my only source for bitcoin news.  Anyway, if you leave the forum I wish you good fortune in your journeys. 

That's rare for me to say.  Usually I would respond to someone saying goodbye to bitcointalk with naughty words and the like.  I've done it.  I'm fuckin' crazy.

[Tetu100]

I was just struggling to understand all what you said so far on this thread. But from what I can gather from the last paragraph of your post you said kudos to the moderators and Co and that you are not going to be more active due to some personal schedules and so on. However, the forum is still very open to accommodate more honest people that are very willing to learn and also to share knowledge among members of the community. If you ever have a rethink of coming back for good purpose then the door is wide open for you but if your coming isn't for good plans then the system is very much designed to expose your deeds. Good morning guy....

[legiteum]

And despite the trolls, the shitposters and the sockpuppets, this forum is still very useful. While I praise theymos et. al. for keeping these forces from ruining the forum's usefulness, they are like cockroaches in the kitchen of a five-star NYC restaurant: you always get some no matter what you do

That's an analogy that fits this place like a glove (and I hate to spout cliches).

Assuming you're writing in your own voice and not using some AI tool, it would suck it we lost more members like you, i.e., ones who can express themselves coherently and know how to write.  Yep, this place is a mess and has been for years prior to you registering--but like you said, you learned a lot in spite of that and there are some discussions worth participating in, although the prevalence of such gems is dependent on the section and more so on how many signature campaigns are running at any given moment.

Like you, I came for one reason and wound up staying for another in spite of all the noise.  This place taught me everything I know about cryptocurrency (which admittedly is laughable compared to some of the big brainy-brains I see flaunting their hypertrophic noodles in the technical sections) and used to be my only source for bitcoin news.  Anyway, if you leave the forum I wish you good fortune in your journeys. 

That's rare for me to say.  Usually I would respond to someone saying goodbye to bitcointalk with naughty words and the like.  I've done it.  I'm fuckin' crazy.

Thanks very much. And no, it's not AI. Surely AI would write a lot better than I do .

I was just struggling to understand all what you said so far on this thread. But from what I can gather from the last paragraph of your post you said kudos to the moderators and Co and that you are not going to be more active due to some personal schedules and so on. However, the forum is still very open to accommodate more honest people that are very willing to learn and also to share knowledge among members of the community. If you ever have a rethink of coming back for good purpose then the door is wide open for you but if your coming isn't for good plans then the system is very much designed to expose your deeds. Good morning guy....

I said I "may or may not" keep posting like I do. I never intended to make this a "goodbye" post, but rather just a heads up that if you don't see my posts anymore it just means that my spare time to fritter away the hours has been reduced.

[Alpha Marine]

Do you get it? Ironically, Haypenny ain't got a penny, so he's been looking for investors. Deepshit!

The whole of your post is so condescending and rude. What is the reason for that? Can't you people have a conversation or have opposing opinions without sounding condescending? What is happening?
The OP is a person I know. He has held many absurd views, and we have disagreed a lot, but I try to make it civil even when we are in complete opposite ends.
I also agree that the OP created a shitcoin and claimed it was better than Bitcoin, but that doesn't mean you should insult him for his opinions.
I think you people reply to posts based on the poster and not based on the post, and I feel it shouldn't be so. If you hate him that much and don't want to reply to his post, then put him on ignore and stay away from his threads, instead of coming to insult him unprovoked. It's bad.

[Free Market Capitalist]

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Didn't read, lol.

So, let's put things in context here.

I read all your text but still do not understand. 

I'm genuinely confused PG.

I was just struggling to understand all what you said so far on this thread. 

You spend too much time trying to figure out what a troll is saying.

Technically speaking, posting of Bitcointalk is a waste of time.

Since you are a tech guy and probably a developer who build something out of your head...

Oh yeah! a tech guy and a dev who has been tagged as completely incompetent and spreading false info on tech boards.

[legiteum]

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[m2017]

I've been doing some "meta" thinking about myself and my participation in this forum lately. In other words, why do I even post here?

If every person posting on this forum asked themselves this question before hitting the "post" button, the forum would undoubtedly be cleaner.

When I first signed up for bitcointalk I was in the middle of building a crypto project, and thought my participation in a forum like bitcointalk could be a way to promote it. That turned out to be wrong  . I quickly figured out that the audience here is far too small to make any difference to any serious project--and it takes way too much effort compared to more straightforward ways of promoting a new project.

So, does this mean that all the projects promoted through sig.campaigns have been, and still are, wasting their (a considerable sum of) money?

My original project died (it "pivoted", as startups do, into something that's not crypto-related),

For instance, during the ICO boom, every project seemed to think it couldn't function without its own cryptocurrency - which was utter nonsense.

but something interesting happened: I still enjoyed participating in this forum. Why? A couple of reasons.

That’s how many people ended up here. And they stayed for a long time. You’re not the first one like this to arrive here.

First, as somebody who has been posting online since the 1980s, I need to say this: this is a very well-run forum. Kudos to theymos and the others who keep this forum working and useful, because I know very well that this is not easy to do, especially in a subject area such as this one.

No one here is going to argue with you.

Second, while posting here can seem like a waste of time--and, technically, it absolutely is--I've actually learned a lot here. Online forums are excellent venues to try out new ideas--especially ideas that one might not have time to try out on IRL colleagues. They are great places to try out thoughts, and to discover other half-baked thoughts that might turn out to be something interesting. For me, online forums are the primordial soup that generate new, seriously useful ideas--even though probably 95% of the content you will sift through will be totally useless, offensive, or even totally crazy.

Tell us, then: what kind of interaction isn’t, a "waste of time"? Whether it’s on social media, in a messangers, or in real life - how much of our communication is actually useful and productive? Only a small fraction, of course.

That’s precisely why forums were created: for discussion. And, as with any discussion, valuable and useful ideas are bound to emerge from amidst the stream of idle chatter.

And despite the trolls, the shitposters and the sockpuppets, this forum is still very useful. While I praise theymos et. al. for keeping these forces from ruining the forum's usefulness, they are like cockroaches in the kitchen of a five-star NYC restaurant: you always get some no matter what you do.

Actually, that’s true, since the forum continues to maintain order and doesn’t descend into chaos.

I have learned a lot here about a multitude of subjects, and I'm a better person for it. I think I've added to the overall conversation as well, and have illuminated others. (I have watched many of my most vociferous detractors adopt some of my ideas--although they'd never admit this in a million years  ).

Because a forum is, in essence, a repository of accumulated knowledge.

Don't get me wrong, I'm not here to bullshit anybody: technically speaking, posting of Bitcointalk is a waste of time. But we all do lots of things that are wastes of time, don't we? Is posting here more productive than playing an FPS? From doomscrolling on Facebook? Then watching the EPL? I think so. As far as "leisure activities" go, at least this one allows you to learn something... occasionally.

If posting is a waste of time, then stop wasting time on it. You can just read and get useful information (if you can get through the flow of empty chatter)).

So kudos to the mods here at Bitcointalk, and keep up the good work. I may or may not keep posting on Bitcointalk actively, but that will be due to my own life's schedule, and not the quality of this forum.

It would be better if you (and everyone else) were guided not by your own personal schedule, but by whether you have "valuable and useful" information that you are prepared to share and discuss before you post.

[Free Market Capitalist]

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It really sucks when people call you out for being a low quality poster, technically incompetent, who spreads false technical information and who on top of that promoted a scam, huh?

It's always the ones who should keep their mouths shut the most who go around lecturing everyone else.