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Today at 06:06:44 AM
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The news that about $2.8bn of stolen funds from the Binance hack was frozen and ultimately returned to Binance came as a relief to meant but it also begs the question "is cryptocurrency not decentralized anymore?" What would happen if a false alarm or a malfunction falsely identifies a random institution's holdings as fraudulent?

I have always thought crypto to be my finances in my hands, free from outside influence, I don't have to cue at a bank or answer to any institution before I get access to my holdings, but it seems that times are changing faster than we can keep up with.

What does this mean for cryptocurrency and it's original vision?
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Today at 06:34:10 AM
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The news that about $2.8bn of stolen funds from the Binance hack was frozen and ultimately returned to Binance came as a relief to meant but it also begs the question "is cryptocurrency not decentralized anymore?" What would happen if a false alarm or a malfunction falsely identifies a random institution's holdings as fraudulent?
Return to Binance?
Are you sure about that?
That stolen fund was only frozen now and it's not sure what will be applied next, we all have to wait for next actions with such frozen funds.

Hackers in this case are very smart, they use stablecoins as collateral to borrow ETH which can not be frozen on chain. They still have stolen fund in ETH after converting stablecoins to ETH through loans, and stablecoins frozen in liquidity pools are still unknown in a way how they will be treated by governments.

Will DeFi platforms have to pay costs with that and hackers still have funds in ETH?

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Today at 06:54:32 AM
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I have always thought crypto to be my finances in my hands, free from outside influence, I don't have to cue at a bank or answer to any institution before I get access to my holdings, but it seems that times are changing faster than we can keep up with.
Sadly stablecoins are still crypto and that is what is affected since they can freeze the funds.. But crypto is a big market, so if you don't want government intervention or outside influence as you call it, then you should not invest in centralized coins, go for the only one which is Bitcoin.

you buy Bitcoin and hold it in your non-custodial wallet, secure your seed phrase, hodl for the long term and you are good to go, you wouldn't have to worry too much anymore regardless of the price fluctuations.

What does this mean for cryptocurrency and it's original vision?
If means you need to study the difference of centralized and decentralized coins.

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Today at 07:06:23 AM
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The news that about $2.8bn of stolen funds from the Binance hack was frozen and ultimately returned to Binance
The news i heard about Binance stolen funds is that, portion of the stolen has been returned..it doesn’t mean that Binance recover everything they have lost for the incident...And the information is yet to be confirmed.....

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"is cryptocurrency not decentralized anymore?"
You're generalising  your emphasises on this...it's time for we to know that is not all cryptocurrencies are decentralized, but many do think that every crypto is a decentralized, whereas decentralization of cryptocurrency is based on the core ideal of the industry..because every crypto project starts from wide spectrum and it ranges from decentralized network to centralized asset... so what i mean in essence is that the project of crypto will determine if it's decentralized or centralized...

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Today at 07:09:30 AM
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You don't have to queue at the banks still, your finance is still in your hands, this whole thing that's happening is trying to distract people like you to trust centralisation even more, don't fall for it.

Everyone has the option to go privacy completely in this space, this begins with you, it's a choice that people who really need to stand on their own needs to make.

You can't be rooting out for privacy and decentralisation and then moving your funds into Binance and Coinbase, people only runs their mouth about decentralisation and they aren't practicing it.

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Today at 07:13:50 AM
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The news that about $2.8bn of stolen funds from the Binance hack was frozen and ultimately returned to Binance came as a relief to meant but it also begs the question "is cryptocurrency not decentralized anymore?" What would happen if a false alarm or a malfunction falsely identifies a random institution's holdings as fraudulent?
Keep in mind Bitcoin is still decentralized so the cons that were froze weren't Bitcoin but stable coins and everyone knows that stable coins like USDT and USDC are centralized so they can be froze anytime when such a hack takes place. The Bitcoin is still decentralized and it will always remain decentralized but when you ask about cryptocurrencies then you need to understand that all cryptocurrencies aren't decentralized.

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Today at 07:19:35 AM
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The news i heard about Binance stolen funds is that, portion of the stolen has been returned..it doesn’t mean that Binance recover everything they have lost for the incident...And the information is yet to be confirmed.....


can you share that news? Because I checked, there was no news yet that the stolen funds particularly the $2.8 billion that was frozen had already been returned to Binance. I think Binance would make an announcement if the funds were indeed returned but as of this writing I haven't seen any announcement yet.

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Today at 07:46:28 AM
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The news that about $2.8bn of stolen funds from the Binance hack was frozen and ultimately returned to Binance came as a relief to meant but it also begs the question "is cryptocurrency not decentralized anymore?" What would happen if a false alarm or a malfunction falsely identifies a random institution's holdings as fraudulent?

I have always thought crypto to be my finances in my hands, free from outside influence, I don't have to cue at a bank or answer to any institution before I get access to my holdings, but it seems that times are changing faster than we can keep up with.
Use a noncustodial wallet for holding and only use exchanges for just exchanges of cryptocurrencies. Bitcoin is decentralized, and also it is worth knowing that some few coins are decentralized, but most cryptocurrencies are not that decentralized.

What you are referring to is not about cryptocurrencies are decentralized or not decentralized, you are referring to having your coins on centralized platforms which is similar to the banks. You should not expect centralized exchanges not to be similar to the banks.

f you want full control, use noncustodial wallets that are open source and reputed.

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Today at 07:58:18 AM
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The news that about $2.8bn of stolen funds from the Binance hack was frozen and ultimately returned to Binance came as a relief to meant but it also begs the question "is cryptocurrency not decentralized anymore?" What would happen if a false alarm or a malfunction falsely identifies a random institution's holdings as fraudulent?
It seems to me that another question is emerging here: has the decentralization of these currencies become a "pretty" facade for actual centralization? How will these contradictory double standards "coexist" with the original concept behind these cryptocurrencies? In other words, are they decentralized in some instances, yet become centralized in others?

I have always thought crypto to be my finances in my hands, free from outside influence, I don't have to cue at a bank or answer to any institution before I get access to my holdings, but it seems that times are changing faster than we can keep up with.
Well, cryptocurrencies (and certain others, like XMR) remain your own property, at least until malicious actors gain access to them. But as you noted, times are changing; in the future, regulators may mandate the reporting of such assets or even require them to be held by regulated intermediaries, such as exchanges or brokers. (In fact, this is already the case in some countries, where there is a requirement to report the ownership of cryptocurrencies.) Of course, this only applies if you hold the cryptocurrency directly, rather than through an intermediary like Binance.

What does this mean for cryptocurrency and it's original vision?
I believe that the stablecoins in question, Tether and Circle (with over $2.3 billion frozen), never incorporated decentralization into their core concept. Meanwhile, Ripple, which has long been accused of being centralized, somehow failed (or perhaps chose not) to freeze the 233.46 million XRP tokens siphoned off by a hacker during the Binance hack.

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Today at 09:17:21 AM
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can you share that news? Because I checked, there was no news yet that the stolen funds particularly the $2.8 billion that was frozen had already been returned to Binance. I think Binance would make an announcement if the funds were indeed returned but as of this writing I haven't seen any announcement yet.
I said the information is not yet to be confirmed...That's news I saw from social media and also Google it and it narrows to same point, so it can be say to be true except Binance exchange announce it to their social media handle..you can go check through Google or you check from their x handle to verify if the information is legit or not..

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even require them to be held by regulated intermediaries, such as exchanges or brokers.
I'm not sure how they will enforce this to be honest. If the user decide to swap their coins and send it to another wallet, will they go door to door and force them to hand the keys? Sounds like it will discourage a lot of users to comply and they'll use other means to protect their coins instead. Sure, they can mandate every wallet developers to do KYC and whatnot, but the cost to enforce such things probably out weight the benefit. They can simply tighten control around exchanges and fiat-crypto gateway since most users probably don't mind sending KYC over there. Not sure you can say the same if your government ask your ID before you can download Electrum, for example.

 
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Today at 11:53:32 AM
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Okay.. your account is new but that’s a lot of months[7] already, wonder how you never figured out the difference for 7 months. Most Stable coins are always considered to be centralized  just like Centralized-xchanges, some can be frozen by the issuer  just like how an exchange can freeze your account and prevent you from moving any assets out.

Only affects what’s being frozen and it can be done from anywhere including when you own the keys.

In this case it won even though it  doesn’t fit into a decentralized system.. Your Bitcoins are  decentralized so far you have the keys.


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Today at 12:31:37 PM
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The news that about $2.8bn of stolen funds from the Binance hack was frozen and ultimately returned to Binance came as a relief to meant but it also begs the question "is cryptocurrency not decentralized anymore?" What would happen if a false alarm or a malfunction falsely identifies a random institution's holdings as fraudulent?
Let's face the fact that some crypto are not truly decentralized. We've seen how effective it was with the freezing of funds to stop the further damage that it can do to binance's funds.

I have always thought crypto to be my finances in my hands, free from outside influence, I don't have to cue at a bank or answer to any institution before I get access to my holdings, but it seems that times are changing faster than we can keep up with.

What does this mean for cryptocurrency and it's original vision?
You can still do that, but don't make these platforms as the catalyst to discourage you from the system.

They're also just like us which are part of the system and they can't ignore it while seeing a huge cash flow goes into it. The original purpose remains to be there and whether the exchanges, the institutions are there or not, it will go on.

 
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Today at 12:39:25 PM
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The news that about $2.8bn of stolen funds from the Binance hack was frozen and ultimately returned to Binance came as a relief to meant but it also begs the question "is cryptocurrency not decentralized anymore?" What would happen if a false alarm or a malfunction falsely identifies a random institution's holdings as fraudulent?

Not all cryptocurrencies are decentralized; know this: Bitcoin is a decentralized digital currency.

Secondly, some of these exchange are also smart enough to desired for holding their assets on a non-custodial wallet while some we still play dumb and have it on hot storage, but either of the ways that may apply to an exchange, it is very difficult for you to see one of them under attack and then they try to refund users asset back to them and maintain operation with a being affected; Binance is taking everything under its capacity to ensure that they keep running the business without any intimidation from hacking threats.


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Today at 01:02:43 PM
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Binance is taking everything under its capacity to ensure that they keep running the business without any intimidation from hacking threats.

Because if they stop operating they will lose their spot, weeks of no operation and people will already start to panic, and if withdrawals are open they might transfer their funds to other exchanges. So Binance being in this space for a while and having experienced multiple hacks, they know this could possibly happen.

It would have been better if Tether had released the funds they froze but for now there's no report yet and Binance has to rely on its own resources to ensure operations continue. Binance is really something, it seems they have not learned their lesson, as mentioned they were hacked multiple times and still allowed it to happen again. I guess even if Binance is able to cover their customers' balances, it's also worth considering shifting to a more secure exchange.

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Today at 01:11:44 PM
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What would happen if a false alarm or a malfunction falsely identifies a random institution's holdings as fraudulent?
I never imagined this scenario; after all, resolving a misunderstanding between institutions is far less difficult than an individual going up against an institution.
Therefore, do not hold onto anything that possesses a "freezing" capability, as that represents a form of network intervention and centralized control.

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Today at 01:15:08 PM
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Everyone has the option to go privacy completely in this space, this begins with you, it's a choice that people who really need to stand on their own needs to make.

You can't be rooting out for privacy and decentralisation and then moving your funds into Binance and Coinbase, people only runs their mouth about decentralisation and they aren't practicing it.

talking about privacy, I think we have to distinguish that properly. For more secure holdings, we use non-custodial wallets as we are in control of our private keys. but in terms of privacy, even if Bitcoin is decentralized, we cannot fully call it private as all transactions are recorded on the public blockchain and they can potentially be linked to us.

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Today at 02:27:50 PM
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Keep in mind Bitcoin is still decentralized so the cons that were froze weren't Bitcoin but stable coins and everyone knows that stable coins like USDT and USDC are centralized so they can be froze anytime when such a hack takes place. The Bitcoin is still decentralized and it will always remain decentralized but when you ask about cryptocurrencies then you need to understand that all cryptocurrencies aren't decentralized.

Yes, it wouldn’t be fitting to treat bitcoin the same as other cryptocurrencies cause it’s decentralized and unique on its own, that being said I wouldn’t rule out the possibility of people facing restrictions with bitcoin when they rely on custodial services. Bitcoin’s protocol on its own wouldn’t allow that but the service you use to access it matters.
 
OP’s concern is understandable but i wouldn’t jump to the conclusion that cryptocurrency has acquired an off switch. What this simply means is that some assets have some issuer level controls which isn’t something we are completely alien to and ultimately exchangers and custodians retain control over accounts they operate.

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Today at 02:51:16 PM
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I said the information is not yet to be confirmed...That's news I saw from social media and also Google it and it narrows to same point, so it can be say to be true except Binance exchange announce it to their social media handle..you can go check through Google or you check from their x handle to verify if the information is legit or not..
Like the information is invalid, because there is no definite source of frozen funds that are returned to Binance, even if it does happen then it has been announced on their official social media, even the most major CZ said this.
I do not know how the process mechanism about the frozen funds, this may have to do a long procedural like there is a decision from the court to return it or not.

 
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Today at 03:23:54 PM
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The news that about $2.8bn of stolen funds from the Binance hack was frozen and ultimately returned to Binance came as a relief to meant but it also begs the question "is cryptocurrency not decentralized anymore?" What would happen if a false alarm or a malfunction falsely identifies a random institution's holdings as fraudulent?

I have always thought crypto to be my finances in my hands, free from outside influence, I don't have to cue at a bank or answer to any institution before I get access to my holdings, but it seems that times are changing faster than we can keep up with.

What does this mean for cryptocurrency and it's original vision?

You use CEX as an example of the downfall of decentralization & loss of control in this thread, which is actually not relevant. With crypto, BTC in particular, if you store & hold it properly, you retain full control over it. I can understand that misconception of yours, given that you are a newbie, you need to learn much more to fully understand how BTC actually works.

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