This man refused life-saving treatment because of his religion

[Proty]

It's certainly not everything that someone has to involve religious beliefs, there are things we need to apply common sense. What happened to the family has nothing to do with religious beliefs they failed to apply wisdom where it is necessary. The whole situation was even worse when the church changed their stand on such belief. The parents had every right to make the right decision considering the fact that his life was at stake. People should not allow religion to stop them from receiving medical care especially when this is the only chance of them being saved from whatever life threatening situations they might be facing.

[AVE5]

That was a pathetic so called religious belief for the fellowship.
We can't even imagine how many of the believers had fallen victim to such doctrine and until someone as the Issac had been victimized beyond recovering of his life is when the religious authorities will have a review of the so called policy that restricts worshipers from certain means of saving their lives even when the situation grows worse between LIVE and DEATH like that of the Isaac behind the story.
I hope his twin brother and parents will find anyway to move on because in cases this, the family of the victim can decide to dump the religious practices.

[Bitcoin Smith]

Most people don't realize that all the religions were invented by humans for the development of humanity as a society and if we are going to follow all the life as said in the holy book then they are going to get into such situation. I feel pity for those extremists because it costed a life that could be avoided if someone talked some sense into that person.

[Rockstarguy]

I thought recently this jehovah witness have adjusted this particular believe. This particular case has made many of their members to lose their life in the past. But recent when I got the news about them adjusting this particular doctrine I was very happy. Their are other believe from different religions that do not accept things that have to do with spearing their life and this is very bad. Life is not duplicate and anything that can make one to live longer one deserves it.

[Btcdeybodi]

I keep saying it that religion has done more of harm than good because humans are too religious and most of the doctrines are just misleading.

Imagine something that would have saved this man but he decided to die just because he wants to respect his religion only for them to later the teachings. This is a sad situation and honestly I don't blame some people who took religious beliefs to grave because it is some kf these religious leaders that are the cause of some misconception about religion.

[programmer3666]

Don't allow others blindfolded you all in the name of religious beliefs, I remember there was a time that a particular denomination announces that their members should not be allowed to use the television for any reason, claiming that it was an instrumentation for the devil's advocates, but today, things have gone better and they are civilized to understand the benefits of using the television positively and now encourage members to use it on like before, anything that our conscience does not support should be kicked against regardless of those that are giving us wrong teachings.

I have come to the conclusion that we can't completely rule out fanatics in the society so managing and understanding their line of thoughts is just the best route to go. When you come across certain individuals that see religion has their only salvation on earth, you will begin to wonder if they still leave in the year 1000 BC. Some people can stick to what their fellow man tell them in their place of worship and act on the teachings like their life depends on it. Religion is supposed to be a source of goodness and moral obligations, not a tool for brainwashing each other.

[Berry2d]

This is not the first time experiencing such situations,  in fact the one I saw lead to the death of there religions leader and they accepted it in good faith.
To an extent this stupid behaviours we experience now makes me begin the question the authenticity of Christianity because I see know reason why one will get involved in a practice but have different doctrine but all claims they have one God.
How will one decide not to accept medical attention all in the name of religious believe why the founders of that same believe never get involved in such believe.
With all this i am beginning to see that stupidity have been introduced in the same Christianity we know, if not I don't think anyone would do something of such.

[Anayochukwu]

Making the decision to change what have been taught to their followers simply means that it was never a sin to receive blood from another human and clearly God didn't give them that message so they were just manipulating their followers for reasons best known to them and I blame the gullible people in that congregation for believing blindly and risky their lives for absolutely nothing, even in the ten commandments given to us by God you can not find anything it's written that you can't get blood transfusion and as a Christian there's a difference between serving God, believing in his words and being a religious person.

[Emjay24]

How can he blame any one, why does he need to law to be changed to help his brother, I have seen this a lot in the hospital settings where people let their religious beliefs interfere with their treatment.

some people are staunch with their beliefs which makes them not use common sense when needed. I cannot watch my brother die because of one belief or the other which is not even expressly written in the bible. Wrong interpretation of the holy books is the object of recent times manipulations. This guy should have lived if not for such misinterpretation of the scriptures.

I honestly think it's time that not only is that doctrine held responsible also the patient relatives, because when the patient is unconscious to sign or give consent it falls to the patient relatives so they have the right to give the go ahead.

Doctrines are teachings, they are not rigid, situations that requires flexibility should be treated accordingly. Another one of concern is "mountain of fire" pastors whom I heard preaches against taking medication. I think some clerics needs to be arrested based on false teachings.

[Bushdark]

God, who made the univrse in 6 days, is way beyond understanding. But, He promised us life through His Son, Jesus.

We all die... it seems. But God promised to make believers in Jesus alive again. Jesus, Himself, said that death is really only a sleep.

So, if he was a Jesus believer, we will see him again in the new life. But only if we are believers, too.

So many people don't believe in Christ that is why they will continue to think that the way that seemeth right is the right way for them to go when they are making mistakes.

The Bible says, there is a way that seemeth right but the right is destruction...we all busy chasing money, when there is one thing we should be chasing right?

My people perish because they lack knowledge...humans are still trying to bring dogma that are ending the lives of innocent ones when they are not keeping the doctrine closer to their heart.

[Jasmyne]

I thought recently this jehovah witness have adjusted this particular believe. This particular case has made many of their members to lose their life in the past. But recent when I got the news about them adjusting this particular doctrine I was very happy. Their are other believe from different religions that do not accept things that have to do with spearing their life and this is very bad. Life is not duplicate and anything that can make one to live longer one deserves it.

They didn't adjust anything infact they are worse than before the government needs to investigate them so that if they are found guilty they will be made to face the wrath of the law. The particular church go about teaching people different things but the moment you try to read from your own bible you will start having issues with them because they have a different belief in everything including the God they claim they worship. A church that doesn't believe in Jesus Christ yet they preach about Jehovah this and Jehovah that the worst part of their attitude that get me annoyed is the fact that they do not believe in blood transfusion, if a member of the church is in a critical condition that requires urgent blood transfusion he will rather accept to die instead of accepting to be given blood to help keep him alive. Religion has finished a lot of people but go closer to them you will find out that they have no love for one another even to their church members.

[Pearl_20]

I had a course mate who was a Jehovah witness that died through that means too, according to them their church doesn't support blood transfusion and she died. I believe is God that created everyone and gave each person their assignment or purpose on earth, we know God heal there's miracle in his name but we also have Doctor's and God placed them for a reason people are just so cut up in their belief and don't study the bible or hear from God. If Jehovah witness will later tell it's members to partake in blood transfusion why did they not do that since and prevented some of their members that died it's really saddening.

Some doctrines are made by man and not God, and I don't know why someone will be sick and wouldn't take medication because your church forbids it, it's so sad the man died and the twin brother's anger is genuine because his brothers life would have been saved and by now he would still be Alive. People should be careful in this last days so that your own belief or a rule that is made by man will not lead you astray.

[Rockstarguy]

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They didn't adjust anything infact they are worse than before the government needs to investigate them so that if they are found guilty they will be made to face the wrath of the law. The particular church go about teaching people different things but the moment you try to read from your own bible you will start having issues with them because they have a different belief in everything including the God they claim they worship. A church that doesn't believe in Jesus Christ yet they preach about Jehovah this and Jehovah that the worst part of their attitude that get me annoyed is the fact that they do not believe in blood transfusion, if a member of the church is in a critical condition that requires urgent blood transfusion he will rather accept to die instead of accepting to be given blood to help keep him alive. Religion has finished a lot of people but go closer to them you will find out that they have no love for one another even to their church members.

There is nothing the government can do about it because if you check, every religion has a doctrine they believe in that can even be dangerous to one's health. I think people do have the right to practice what they believe in, and whatever side effects come with their beliefs, they will bear the consequences.

This religious practice has been there for a long time, and the government is aware of it, but nothing has been done. The good thing is that civilization has made many people understand life, and many practices only hurt them, so many are adjusting to do the right thing.

[Judith87403]

God, who made the univrse in 6 days, is way beyond understanding. But, He promised us life through His Son, Jesus.

The six days in the Bible is a thousand or millions of years to some Bible scholars. There are some things that we need to interpret ourselves.

Another thing is that what we call days is not real. A day is when the earth make one revolution, but did you know it takes some planets more time. As earth will have one full revolution in a day, it takes venus 243 days.

Are trying to doubt the mystery behind God's creation? Are you doubting what is written in the holy bible, maybe you are a scientist who doesn't believe that there is a God that watch over everything happening in the universe. If God is human I would have agreed that the 6 days in the biblical context didn't actually mean 6 rotation of the earth. It seems you are mistaken the rotation of the earth to revolution. 1 rotation of the earth makes a day while 1 revolution makes 365 days.

[o48o]

People misinterpret the bible a lot. Especially in the wrong way. God created the body parts knowing there would be fault. He gave man the knowledge to treat these sicknesses, but do they think he is the one who made those religious rules that are breaking society? It isn't God. Not the one I serve.

Man, in over-knowing nature, made these rules to maintain what they call religion. Others will take what a man who woke up from sleep decides and make decisions that affect their life.

Are there any ways not to "misinterpret" it when everyone has their personal connection to their deity?

It can't be taken literally so every sect and everyone interprets it on their own way. On top of that there are only small amount of people who even has tools to study it in the context of that region history and language. But still, it's basically random collection of texts collected into book, leaving out ton of texts that didn't fit their narrative.

Obviously everyone thinks their version is not misinterpreting anything. So there's really no way to debate about it right way, when foundations of that debate are made up anyway.

[Ucy]

First of all, it's important to note that the Christain religion is the reason why the world looks civilized today. If you take that away, the enemy will have a free reign and introduce all manner of evil practices  I'm sure the world will turn into jungle where animals and human sacrifice and all manner of abomination are permitted.


There are good reasons why bloods are drained from animals and buried in the ground when you slaughter them with knives. It was because true religion made us to do so, which was later copied by the world. I believe some primitive cultures like the Maasai still drink their animal bloods rather than dispose them. There are places where bloods are still cooked and eaten


The word of our CREATOR forbids drinking/eating of blood for two main reasons, number one: blood is sacred, just like life... According to the scripture: there is life in the blood. Drinking or eating blood can be very addictive and could turn people into blood sucking vampires in order to feel youthful or happy. Secondly,  blood is use for spiritual cleansing. In the old times if someone does something really evil that's causing lot of issues in his life, due to curses, his maybe required to place his hand on a clean/pure animal, and chant certain words in order for the creature to take the curses in his place. That curse goes to the blood of the animal. Christains do not do this since our MESSIAH HAS washed away our sins with HIS own blood.

Drinking or eating cursed animal blood can transfer those curses to you.
This is why it's necessary to screen a donor blood to endure it's free from curses like diseases. If a blood is clean, then there absolutely nothing wrong in sharing it with love ones or others. We are only forbidden from drinking/eating blood for our sake.
It's just like the part of the scripture that forbids followers from eating vultures, dogs, pigs, lion and other animals that are prone to being dirty or unclean .  Imagine unbelievers or the ignorant ones using that to mock christains because someone who is starving refuses to eat the unclean animals to survive. Meanwhile, the word of our CREATOR is not that rigid to forbid people from consuming those things for the sake of surviving. But people like the pharesee of the old thought it was that rigid, and they misinterpreted the scripture, but our MESSIAH corrected them by  letting them know that the law was meant for the good of man. This mean it can be broken for the good of people

[OgNasty]

Reading the subject of this thread I thought it might be a thread about Bob Marley, who died from something similar and I don't believe it is well known.  Bob Marley died at the age of 36 because he refused to get his toe amputated.  He had cancer and believed it was from a soccer injury.  It is widely believed that he would had survived and lived a long and happy life had he been willing to get the surgery.  One of the great tragedies...

[philipma1957]

Just 23 days later, the Jehovah's Witnesses' Governing Body announced a seismic change in teaching that would, in effect, have given Isaac the religious green light to have the life-saving treatment he had refused. The change suddenly means the vast majority of medical procedures using donated blood are no longer prohibited to followers. Now, decisions on whether to accept such treatments are to be left to individuals. Jacob, already dealing with the death of his twin, was angered at the Jehovah's Witnesses' leadership for not coming to their conclusion sooner. He told BBC News he believes Isaac could well still be alive if they had.

Amazing they can get these new laws by re-reading old witness statements!

A true god could create everything instantly and he wouldn't do stupid things like forget a place to put Adam's penis....

I wouldn't trust a god like that.  i trust the other one more.

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That said I do believe god exists as does the devil but that all practicing jews and christians that believe in the Adam and Eve apple devil story have been and are in a state of self deception if they think god had the right to do what he did.


He did have the power to do it. but might does not make right