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April 07, 2014, 05:34:56 AM
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What's up with that?

http://packages.ubuntu.com/raring/bitcoin-qt

I don't see anything for trusty
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April 07, 2014, 11:01:25 AM
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Not shure about ubuntu, but perhaps you need to add a 3rd party repository ?

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April 07, 2014, 02:38:39 PM
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As you can read here it is only final beta release with final release expected on 17/04/2014.
Just give them some more time and I am sure they will include it their packages.


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April 07, 2014, 03:32:25 PM
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It's a lot of work for one guy https://launchpad.net/~bitcoin/+archive/bitcoin

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April 07, 2014, 05:16:55 PM
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Not shure about ubuntu, but perhaps you need to add a 3rd party repository ?

This was not the case -- bitcoin-qt had been part of ubuntu for the past 2 major releases.  It's possible this has changed but I haven't heard anything of it.
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April 07, 2014, 05:18:27 PM
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As you can read here it is only final beta release with final release expected on 17/04/2014.
Just give them some more time and I am sure they will include it their packages.



Yeah, and as part of that they froze which packages are included a few days ago, meaning bitcoin-qt did not make the cut somehow.
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April 08, 2014, 12:05:29 AM
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We have and ppa repositories with official release of bitcoin-qt. I think is better to add this and for the updates

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April 08, 2014, 01:46:28 AM
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We have and ppa repositories with official release of bitcoin-qt. I think is better to add this and for the updates

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 Why is this better?  Bitcoin is no longer an apt-get away from the average Ubuntu user who has no need to trust ppas, nor do we get support help and triage from canonical.
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April 08, 2014, 07:55:00 AM
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I've always used the ppa

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April 17, 2014, 06:45:42 AM
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I've always used the ppa

I'm sure many people do, that's not the point.  Ubuntu is one of the largest GNU/Linux distros around, and their average user had access to bitcoin as part of their operating system.  It would be as if windows 7 had came with an option to install bitcoin via an optional windows update or something.  Today is release day for 14.04, perhaps it's worth reflecting on what we just lost.
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April 17, 2014, 06:47:53 AM
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Really Ubuntu comes with Bitcoin QT that's news to me kind of neat though
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April 17, 2014, 09:01:22 AM
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I've always used the ppa

I'm sure many people do, that's not the point.  Ubuntu is one of the largest GNU/Linux distros around, and their average user had access to bitcoin as part of their operating system.  It would be as if windows 7 had came with an option to install bitcoin via an optional windows update or something.  Today is release day for 14.04, perhaps it's worth reflecting on what we just lost.

Exactly, why would they include Bitcoin? I wouldn't expect anyone to. Not some anonymous os maintainer. I'd rather get it from the ppa and know the guy doing it. You must trust their signing keys.

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April 17, 2014, 12:43:00 PM
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I've always used the ppa

I'm sure many people do, that's not the point.  Ubuntu is one of the largest GNU/Linux distros around, and their average user had access to bitcoin as part of their operating system.  It would be as if windows 7 had came with an option to install bitcoin via an optional windows update or something.  Today is release day for 14.04, perhaps it's worth reflecting on what we just lost.

Exactly, why would they include Bitcoin? I wouldn't expect anyone to. Not some anonymous os maintainer. I'd rather get it from the ppa and know the guy doing it. You must trust their signing keys.

If you do not trust the Ubuntu repository and their maintainers, you shouldn't run a bitcoin client (or anything else sensitive) in Ubuntu regardless of where you get it from, that's a really stupid argument.

Since you already have to trust Ubuntu, trusting additional sources (and you would have to do that for more than just bitcoin) raises the bar considerably, and does not improve your real security.

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April 17, 2014, 12:47:03 PM
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I've always used the ppa

I'm sure many people do, that's not the point.  Ubuntu is one of the largest GNU/Linux distros around, and their average user had access to bitcoin as part of their operating system.  It would be as if windows 7 had came with an option to install bitcoin via an optional windows update or something.  Today is release day for 14.04, perhaps it's worth reflecting on what we just lost.

Exactly, why would they include Bitcoin? I wouldn't expect anyone to. Not some anonymous os maintainer. I'd rather get it from the ppa and know the guy doing it. You must trust their signing keys.

If you do not trust the Ubuntu repository and their maintainers, you shouldn't run a bitcoin client (or anything else sensitive) in Ubuntu regardless of where you get it from, that's a really stupid argument.

Since you already have to trust Ubuntu, trusting additional sources (and you would have to do that for more than just bitcoin) raises the bar considerably, and does not improve your real security.



They put their best people on the kernel, etc. They put a random intern to maintain Bitcoin.

They obviously stopped because they didn't care to maintain it. Our ppa guy can't even keep his updated. Still waiting on .91

I think we can all learn a lesson, especially if you use Linux. Review and build it from source.

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April 17, 2014, 07:59:40 PM
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 Recently i had problems to install bitcoin daemon on Ubuntu server 12.04. The default  third party repositrory is "launchpad" and i have no idea who they are. I decided to blind trust it anyway instead of building from the sources myself, i needed a apecific version that they would not offer thru' apt-get, they just offer the latest. But i could find the deb package on their site, and use dpkg inestead of apt-get, but then on the next day when i wanted to re-install, it was not there anymore.

   Ubuntu totlally sucks for Bitcoin........
 

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April 17, 2014, 10:50:49 PM
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I have ask to ubuntu-developer and they have told me that is better bitcoin-qt το has own ppa for updates. And at bitcoin channel told me the same. Take a look here

https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-motu/2013-December/007597.html

There is no problem in with bitcoin-qt 0.9.0 if you have install ppa package and the distro has upgrade the last bug fix heartbleed version of openssl. The bitcoin-qt package use the openssl version of the distro.

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April 18, 2014, 01:02:56 AM
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I would recommend that the average Ubuntu user install via the Bitcoin PPA that is maintained by Core Dev Matt Corallo https://launchpad.net/~bitcoin/+archive/bitcoin

Hardcore / more technical users who want to stay up-to-date faster (because the PPA is not updated automatically) or simply wish to be more paranoid about security should compile locally from source.
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April 18, 2014, 09:12:07 AM
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Let me rephrase my previous argument: if you don't trust Ubuntu, don't install a wallet client there at all. Ubuntu maintainers may hide a bug or exploit which enables wallet stealing in any package.

And don't give me crap about it would be found -- it may be found, but as recent experience shows, it may take a long time.
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April 18, 2014, 09:19:04 AM
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The problem with depending on ubuntu for Bitcoin is that it's not their focus and this happens. Don't depend on someone for more than one thing.

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April 18, 2014, 08:45:28 PM
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I've always used the ppa

I'm sure many people do, that's not the point.  Ubuntu is one of the largest GNU/Linux distros around, and their average user had access to bitcoin as part of their operating system.  It would be as if windows 7 had came with an option to install bitcoin via an optional windows update or something.  Today is release day for 14.04, perhaps it's worth reflecting on what we just lost.

Exactly, why would they include Bitcoin? I wouldn't expect anyone to. Not some anonymous os maintainer. I'd rather get it from the ppa and know the guy doing it. You must trust their signing keys.

Because Bitcoin is supposed to be a universal/global payment system.  I would expect every serious operating system to support it out of the box, at least to some extent(using the QT client specifically isn't strictly necessary, but at least something for their users to interact with the world financially should be a pretty big must have).  It's like having a computer without a web browser...who would even do that?  This is 2014, not 1985.

How does Ubuntu manage to keep all their other software secure?  We don't seem to have problems with their bundling of Firefox, or GCC ( http://cm.bell-labs.com/who/ken/trust.html ) or even some of the libraries that Bitcoin uses (libc6).  Why should Bitcoin-QT be any different?

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