Was this forum always like this?

[Yurizhai]

About 3 months ago, when you started, the Altcoin subforum had pretty much already gone to shit.

Prior to about November of 2013, it was a much cooler place to hang out.  New coin ANN's were much less frequent, and there were far fewer trolls.

Personally, I think it's all DOGE's fault.  DOGE taught the world that a cute, catchy name & meme and nothing else can become a wildly popular coin.  It sorta opened the floodgates for shitcoins to start pouring in like crazy.

It actually used to be worse.  You should have seen it before they banned the giveaway/promo threads.  Holy hell.

+1!  My thoughts exactly, and I've been here since 2011. Dogecoin ushered in this wave of shitcoins and turned this forum into the new 4chan, otherwise known as the "Asshole of the Internet".

I do think Doge played a large part, but it's unfair to point solely at it.

November was also the Rise of Cryptocurrencies in general, with massive profits across the board ($1350 BTC, $50 LTC, $8.50 PPC ect..). This kicked off a giant rush of them as everyone wanted a piece of that sweet, sweet crypto pie.

I miss November   Most euphoric couple of weeks in a long time.

[cryptowho]

i think the largest part was the btc explosion in price. Not dogecoin : ) 

dat last November

[hypersire]

I do put a large part of the blame on Dogecoin. After Dogecoin came out, many people got dollar signs in their eyes as apparently all you had to do to get rich quick was simply copy someone else's code, do a search and replace on the name, slap some idiotic picture on it and market it.

So now we have an altcoin forum where 90+% of new coins coming out are doing exactly this. It is nothing short of a slap in the face to the philosophy behind open source software. Almost all of these shitcoins are not bringing any technical innovations to the table - people are just rebranding someone else's hard work.

[Tomatocage]

It used to be just Ixcoin, then I0coin, then Solidcoin, then tenebrix/fairbrix. Then came Litecoin and the floodgates kind of opened up after that.

[Tomatocage]

+1


I agree new coins used to create a lot of buzz but the viciousness has always been here from day one.


~BCX~

Remember back when a new chain would come out and everybody would take their single GPU systems and mine out enough coins to make 100+ BTC?

[poncom]

It used to be just Ixcoin, then I0coin, then Solidcoin, then tenebrix/fairbrix. Then came Litecoin and the floodgates kind of opened up after that.

I'm new and only recently heard Solidcoin even existed. Recently I found one really small exchange still trading it. I never even heard of tenebrix/fairbrix until, now. None of these coins are even on coinmarketcap and there are some really shit coins right at the bottom of it.

If there were only a few alt coins back in Solidcoin's day and quite a few seem to be dead, how many of today's shit coins will go the same way? I bet that in a year's time newcomers will never even know half of the coins on coinmarketcap today even existed.

[poornamelessme]

I'm new and only recently heard Solidcoin even existed. Recently I found one really small exchange still trading it. I never even heard of tenebrix/fairbrix until, now. None of these coins are even on coinmarketcap and there are some really shit coins right at the bottom of it.

If there were only a few alt coins back in Solidcoin's day and quite a few seem to be dead, how many of today's shit coins will go the same way? I bet that in a year's time newcomers will never even know half of the coins on coinmarketcap today even existed.

I never heard of tenebrix/fairbrix until just now either. I think the vast majority of current coins will vanish within a year (or be so meaningless that they might as well vanish). Even good coins will probably vanish shortly thereafter. But the exchanges may keep some coins alive longer than they really should, I expect. Even now, coins that should vanish are still listed on some exchanges.... nobody uses them, they barely get any trades, but they remain.

BCX sort of answered my main question. I was less curious about the million alts/shitcoins and spamminess of the forum, and more so in regard to the general tone of the forum and overall immaturity. I guess in a forum with little to no moderation, and a topic that appeals to human greed, it shouldn't be unexpected really. It just seemed weird to me. I also agree with Igotspots ... I haven't ever seen a forum with so much hate as here before... although hate may be too strong a word. Perhaps lack of morality would be the better term to use.

[galbros]

If you are referring to the altcoin section specifically NO, it used to be NOTHING like this.  It used to be full of giveaways for all the new alt coins coming out.

I don't think you are likely to find the high minded discussion you seem to expect here.  Sorry about that.

[JohnnyCrypto]

It wasn't always like this.. Check the archives from 2012..

http://web.archive.org/web/20120201000000*/https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?board=67.0


The only thing that remains the same, is good ol' BCX 

[Spoetnik]

what people Trolling like your intent on doing here ? ya pretty much.

i like how you posted what i said but deleted the apart i quoted lol



i responded the way i did to highlight how dramatically retarded the moron was i quoted..
AND to keep what i say interesting for the reader.. why does that bother you so much ?

[Bit_Happy]

I'm new and only recently heard Solidcoin even existed. Recently I found one really small exchange still trading it. I never even heard of tenebrix/fairbrix until, now. None of these coins are even on coinmarketcap and there are some really shit coins right at the bottom of it.

If there were only a few alt coins back in Solidcoin's day and quite a few seem to be dead, how many of today's shit coins will go the same way? I bet that in a year's time newcomers will never even know half of the coins on coinmarketcap today even existed.

I never heard of tenebrix/fairbrix until just now either. I think the vast majority of current coins will vanish within a year (or be so meaningless that they might as well vanish). Even good coins will probably vanish shortly thereafter. But the exchanges may keep some coins alive longer than they really should, I expect. Even now, coins that should vanish are still listed on some exchanges.... nobody uses them, they barely get any trades, but they remain.

BCX sort of answered my main question. I was less curious about the million alts/shitcoins and spamminess of the forum, and more so in regard to the general tone of the forum and overall immaturity. I guess in a forum with little to no moderation, and a topic that appeals to human greed, it shouldn't be unexpected really. It just seemed weird to me. I also agree with Igotspots ... I haven't ever seen a forum with so much hate as here before... although hate may be too strong a word. Perhaps lack of morality would be the better term to use.

There are many divisions within the community and most are based on money/perception of gain or loss.

[Mjbmonetarymetals]

The altcoin section has sucked the life out of bitcointalk, there should be Bitcoin only forum.

[casinocoin]

I agree.. and just look at my damn name.
Each coin should have a dedicated forum(their own ran by the creator/devs), or atleast move everything to a subdomain as it may be quite a bit of traffic they dont want to lose here ie:
alts.bitcointalk.org

[hellscabane]

The level of moderation in Alternate Cryptocurrencies is quite poor, I agree - we desperately need a few more rules and a couple mods here. We don't need censorship, we just need order and to get rid of these damn trolls.

This point has been made quite a few times. In fact, I made a thread in the last few days that got moved to Meta about this where I got fairly good feedback. [Remember when there actually used to be a mod in this sub-forum?]

Regarding bloat and spam, the hardest thing is truly differentiating between those who are legitimately excited about a coin (n00bishness and so forth) from those who are deliberately using sockpuppets to promote a coin. Sure it's much easier to differentiate between those who are trolls (or just acting like one) and those who aren't, but most of the bloat that you can find in this section are from those who pose as n00b contributors.

[Xenopus]

Ignore list is your friend.

Not if your main attraction to this forum is the unbelievable level of greed-fuelled stupidity and anonymity-emboldened machismo.

[Spoetnik]

sorry for this off-topic comment people but i seen a news story the other day regarding the last 2nd last commenter lol
it really raised my eyebrows and made me think WTF

for the record i always like the idea of casino coin and it was one of the first coins i supported way back..
it was the fist of it's kind and i thought it had some promise.. a good idea i figured.. nope the scene pumped and dumped it and ran off to the next coin asap..

anyway this..
http://www.neowin.net/news/criminals-use-hacked-android-phones-to-mine-crypto-currencies

and it said,
Dubbed 'CoinKrypt', the malware has the potential to hijack a phone’s resources to mine Litecoin, Dogecoin and Casinocoin.

LTC Doge and....  Casinocoin wtf lol

[cryptowho]

I do put a large part of the blame on Dogecoin. After Dogecoin came out, many people got dollar signs in their eyes as apparently all you had to do to get rich quick was simply copy someone else's code, do a search and replace on the name, slap some idiotic picture on it and market it.

So now we have an altcoin forum where 90+% of new coins coming out are doing exactly this. It is nothing short of a slap in the face to the philosophy behind open source software. Almost all of these shitcoins are not bringing any technical innovations to the table - people are just rebranding someone else's hard work.

but .. but.... but.... dimecoin... dat %9 premine in 100 billion cap total coin.

apologizing in advance for second use of "dat"

[poornamelessme]

Regarding bloat and spam, the hardest thing is truly differentiating between those who are legitimately excited about a coin (n00bishness and so forth) from those who are deliberately using sockpuppets to promote a coin. Sure it's much easier to differentiate between those who are trolls (or just acting like one) and those who aren't, but most of the bloat that you can find in this section are from those who pose as n00b contributors.

This will be a very newbie-ish question, but can moderators always tell who are using sockpuppets? Or do those who make extra accounts here use different IP addresses?

If most puppets use the same IP, then a little forum moderation is all we need. Is there any particular reason why the forum owners decided to more or less ignore this section completely? If they killed the trolls, put in some rudimentary requirements for IPO announcements and just kept things organized a bit better, I'd think it would help things a lot.

[voluntarist500]

there was some braindrain i was told. But that was before i came here.
Society in general is shit - so why should be different people here than are in the streets. The average IQ is going down since decades.
I know from experience that too much moderation can kill a forum and i am happy how it is here since i prefer freedom of speech and am ready to take one or two shit-comments in exchange for a not so much moderated space, really.
Just ignore users that have nothing of value to add. Ignore button is right there...

[casinocoin]

sorry for this off-topic comment people but i seen a news story the other day regarding the last 2nd last commenter lol
it really raised my eyebrows and made me think WTF

for the record i always like the idea of casino coin and it was one of the first coins i supported way back..
it was the fist of it's kind and i thought it had some promise.. a good idea i figured.. nope the scene pumped and dumped it and ran off to the next coin asap..

anyway this..
http://www.neowin.net/news/criminals-use-hacked-android-phones-to-mine-crypto-currencies

and it said,
Dubbed 'CoinKrypt', the malware has the potential to hijack a phone’s resources to mine Litecoin, Dogecoin and Casinocoin.

LTC Doge and....  Casinocoin wtf lol

There is still a good portion of us who have upwards of 200kCSC each.
The android bug thing, no idea why they chose csc but it negatively affected the market if you notice.
Where else are ya goin with this post