If I started my own nation...

[Lauda]

How would you even do this?

Good question. Since it's purely hypothetical I don't have a plan that I've really thought through, lol.
Maybe buy an island, develop the island until it's self-sufficient, declare it independent and hope the nation we stole the island from doesn't invade us. And in that case we would shoot until they give up or they've killed all of us!

Hope that they don't kill you, you mean?

[1714671404]

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[blacksails]

How would you even do this?

Good question. Since it's purely hypothetical I don't have a plan that I've really thought through, lol.
Maybe buy an island, develop the island until it's self-sufficient, declare it independent and hope the nation we stole the island from doesn't invade us. And in that case we would shoot until they give up or they've killed all of us!

Hope that they don't kill you, you mean?

Essentially, yes!
But I hardly doubt the nation would do much about it (as long as the nation is not a dictatorship). Wouldn't be worth the time and money to invade an island with a bunch of pot smoking hippies (in my imagination that's what we'd be in their eyes).

[Kiki112]

How would you even do this?

Good question. Since it's purely hypothetical I don't have a plan that I've really thought through, lol.
Maybe buy an island, develop the island until it's self-sufficient, declare it independent and hope the nation we stole the island from doesn't invade us. And in that case we would shoot until they give up or they've killed all of us!

Hope that they don't kill you, you mean?

Essentially, yes!
But I hardly doubt the nation would do much about it (as long as the nation is not a dictatorship). Wouldn't be worth the time and money to invade an island with a bunch of pot smoking hippies (in my imagination that's what we'd be in their eyes).

nope, in their eyes we would be reviolutionaris that want to establish a new world order (no taxes, no centralisation) and they would see us dangerous because our movement could spread to other countries

why was everyone against communism altough it was only the will of the people and equal distribution?

they don't like new things

[blacksails]

How would you even do this?

Good question. Since it's purely hypothetical I don't have a plan that I've really thought through, lol.
Maybe buy an island, develop the island until it's self-sufficient, declare it independent and hope the nation we stole the island from doesn't invade us. And in that case we would shoot until they give up or they've killed all of us!

Hope that they don't kill you, you mean?

Essentially, yes!
But I hardly doubt the nation would do much about it (as long as the nation is not a dictatorship). Wouldn't be worth the time and money to invade an island with a bunch of pot smoking hippies (in my imagination that's what we'd be in their eyes).

nope, in their eyes we would be reviolutionaris that want to establish a new world order (no taxes, no centralisation) and they would see us dangerous because our movement could spread to other countries

why was everyone against communism altough it was only the will of the people and equal distribution?

they don't like new things

Well, I didn't plan to establish it in the US you know!
Nah, I think they'd let us live in peace.

About communism, it's a very beautiful thought and ideology. However, it can not be forced onto someone, and it cannot be applied to greater communities and countries, since it's based on everyones will to contribute. Communism isn't meant for bigger communities anyway, the plan is lots of small communities giving each other what they need. According to communism, there should be no state.
I myself could totally live in a communist community for a while.

[Kiki112]

How would you even do this?

Good question. Since it's purely hypothetical I don't have a plan that I've really thought through, lol.
Maybe buy an island, develop the island until it's self-sufficient, declare it independent and hope the nation we stole the island from doesn't invade us. And in that case we would shoot until they give up or they've killed all of us!

Hope that they don't kill you, you mean?

Essentially, yes!
But I hardly doubt the nation would do much about it (as long as the nation is not a dictatorship). Wouldn't be worth the time and money to invade an island with a bunch of pot smoking hippies (in my imagination that's what we'd be in their eyes).

nope, in their eyes we would be reviolutionaris that want to establish a new world order (no taxes, no centralisation) and they would see us dangerous because our movement could spread to other countries

why was everyone against communism altough it was only the will of the people and equal distribution?

they don't like new things

Well, I didn't plan to establish it in the US you know!
Nah, I think they'd let us live in peace.

About communism, it's a very beautiful thought and ideology. However, it can not be forced onto someone, and it cannot be applied to greater communities and countries, since it's based on everyones will to contribute. Communism isn't meant for bigger communities anyway, the plan is lots of small communities giving each other what they need. According to communism, there should be no state.
I myself could totally live in a communist community for a while.

that's a risk we can't take

I think otherwise 

wouldn't it be easier to ask for a purchase of the island not as a land owner but as a country instead of stealing it away?

[blacksails]

How would you even do this?

Good question. Since it's purely hypothetical I don't have a plan that I've really thought through, lol.
Maybe buy an island, develop the island until it's self-sufficient, declare it independent and hope the nation we stole the island from doesn't invade us. And in that case we would shoot until they give up or they've killed all of us!

Hope that they don't kill you, you mean?

Essentially, yes!
But I hardly doubt the nation would do much about it (as long as the nation is not a dictatorship). Wouldn't be worth the time and money to invade an island with a bunch of pot smoking hippies (in my imagination that's what we'd be in their eyes).

nope, in their eyes we would be reviolutionaris that want to establish a new world order (no taxes, no centralisation) and they would see us dangerous because our movement could spread to other countries

why was everyone against communism altough it was only the will of the people and equal distribution?

they don't like new things

Well, I didn't plan to establish it in the US you know!
Nah, I think they'd let us live in peace.

About communism, it's a very beautiful thought and ideology. However, it can not be forced onto someone, and it cannot be applied to greater communities and countries, since it's based on everyones will to contribute. Communism isn't meant for bigger communities anyway, the plan is lots of small communities giving each other what they need. According to communism, there should be no state.
I myself could totally live in a communist community for a while.

that's a risk we can't take

I think otherwise 

wouldn't it be easier to ask for a purchase of the island not as a land owner but as a country instead of stealing it away?

Yeah, but that would make it extremely much more expensive. And as a startup nation our budget will be very low.

[Kiki112]

How would you even do this?

Good question. Since it's purely hypothetical I don't have a plan that I've really thought through, lol.
Maybe buy an island, develop the island until it's self-sufficient, declare it independent and hope the nation we stole the island from doesn't invade us. And in that case we would shoot until they give up or they've killed all of us!

Hope that they don't kill you, you mean?

Essentially, yes!
But I hardly doubt the nation would do much about it (as long as the nation is not a dictatorship). Wouldn't be worth the time and money to invade an island with a bunch of pot smoking hippies (in my imagination that's what we'd be in their eyes).

nope, in their eyes we would be reviolutionaris that want to establish a new world order (no taxes, no centralisation) and they would see us dangerous because our movement could spread to other countries

why was everyone against communism altough it was only the will of the people and equal distribution?

they don't like new things

Well, I didn't plan to establish it in the US you know!
Nah, I think they'd let us live in peace.

About communism, it's a very beautiful thought and ideology. However, it can not be forced onto someone, and it cannot be applied to greater communities and countries, since it's based on everyones will to contribute. Communism isn't meant for bigger communities anyway, the plan is lots of small communities giving each other what they need. According to communism, there should be no state.
I myself could totally live in a communist community for a while.

that's a risk we can't take

I think otherwise  

wouldn't it be easier to ask for a purchase of the island not as a land owner but as a country instead of stealing it away?

Yeah, but that would make it extremely much more expensive. And as a startup nation our budget will be very low.

I think war would cost a lot more..

[blacksails]

How would you even do this?

Good question. Since it's purely hypothetical I don't have a plan that I've really thought through, lol.
Maybe buy an island, develop the island until it's self-sufficient, declare it independent and hope the nation we stole the island from doesn't invade us. And in that case we would shoot until they give up or they've killed all of us!

Hope that they don't kill you, you mean?

Essentially, yes!
But I hardly doubt the nation would do much about it (as long as the nation is not a dictatorship). Wouldn't be worth the time and money to invade an island with a bunch of pot smoking hippies (in my imagination that's what we'd be in their eyes).

nope, in their eyes we would be reviolutionaris that want to establish a new world order (no taxes, no centralisation) and they would see us dangerous because our movement could spread to other countries

why was everyone against communism altough it was only the will of the people and equal distribution?

they don't like new things

Well, I didn't plan to establish it in the US you know!
Nah, I think they'd let us live in peace.

About communism, it's a very beautiful thought and ideology. However, it can not be forced onto someone, and it cannot be applied to greater communities and countries, since it's based on everyones will to contribute. Communism isn't meant for bigger communities anyway, the plan is lots of small communities giving each other what they need. According to communism, there should be no state.
I myself could totally live in a communist community for a while.

that's a risk we can't take

I think otherwise  

wouldn't it be easier to ask for a purchase of the island not as a land owner but as a country instead of stealing it away?

Yeah, but that would make it extremely much more expensive. And as a startup nation our budget will be very low.

I think war would cost a lot more..

No, since we would not have a really army, we would only have a few guns to shoot at the invaders.

[bryant.coleman]

wouldn't it be easier to ask for a purchase of the island not as a land owner but as a country instead of stealing it away?

No. It is not possible according to the international rules. Even if it was possible, no country will allow this. Remember what happened when John Kyle unsuccessfully tried to establish the Principality of Freedonia in Awdal.

[Bit_Happy]

If I started my own nation, would you join?
Would you be willing to by military means defend against the country from which we stole our territory from?
We would be a nation with the principles of "Be nice" (yes, marijuana would be legal).
We would be a nation where you only work a few hours a week with communal stuff like farming, fishing or building, and in exchange you'd get a house to live in and organic food (and most of the time you could whatever you want, like: lie on the beach and getting high).
Weapons would be banned unless we were invaded (there would be no reason to have them otherwise).
Hard drugs would be illegal (like heroin or cocain).
We would live in harmony with nature, and our electricity would be 100% renewable.
We would have a direct-democracy, so everyone could get their voice through.
Yeah, basically start an utopia?

Which of you would join?

Not nearly Libertarian enough, sorry.

[cookiemonsterwhat]

yes, i would join your nation as long as you pay my salary in bitcoin.

[Kiki112]

How would you even do this?

Good question. Since it's purely hypothetical I don't have a plan that I've really thought through, lol.
Maybe buy an island, develop the island until it's self-sufficient, declare it independent and hope the nation we stole the island from doesn't invade us. And in that case we would shoot until they give up or they've killed all of us!

Hope that they don't kill you, you mean?

Essentially, yes!
But I hardly doubt the nation would do much about it (as long as the nation is not a dictatorship). Wouldn't be worth the time and money to invade an island with a bunch of pot smoking hippies (in my imagination that's what we'd be in their eyes).

nope, in their eyes we would be reviolutionaris that want to establish a new world order (no taxes, no centralisation) and they would see us dangerous because our movement could spread to other countries

why was everyone against communism altough it was only the will of the people and equal distribution?

they don't like new things

Well, I didn't plan to establish it in the US you know!
Nah, I think they'd let us live in peace.

About communism, it's a very beautiful thought and ideology. However, it can not be forced onto someone, and it cannot be applied to greater communities and countries, since it's based on everyones will to contribute. Communism isn't meant for bigger communities anyway, the plan is lots of small communities giving each other what they need. According to communism, there should be no state.
I myself could totally live in a communist community for a while.

that's a risk we can't take

I think otherwise  

wouldn't it be easier to ask for a purchase of the island not as a land owner but as a country instead of stealing it away?

Yeah, but that would make it extremely much more expensive. And as a startup nation our budget will be very low.

I think war would cost a lot more..

No, since we would not have a really army, we would only have a few guns to shoot at the invaders.

how about the price of lifes lost?

with just a few guns we would be conquered in a day or two

[bryant.coleman]

No, since we would not have a really army, we would only have a few guns to shoot at the invaders.

So without any Navy and air-force, how are you going to defend yourself from the invaders? Even the Somalian pirates are nowadays armed with Rocket propelled grenades. 

[blacksails]

If I started my own nation, would you join?
Would you be willing to by military means defend against the country from which we stole our territory from?
We would be a nation with the principles of "Be nice" (yes, marijuana would be legal).
We would be a nation where you only work a few hours a week with communal stuff like farming, fishing or building, and in exchange you'd get a house to live in and organic food (and most of the time you could whatever you want, like: lie on the beach and getting high).
Weapons would be banned unless we were invaded (there would be no reason to have them otherwise).
Hard drugs would be illegal (like heroin or cocain).
We would live in harmony with nature, and our electricity would be 100% renewable.
We would have a direct-democracy, so everyone could get their voice through.
Yeah, basically start an utopia?

Which of you would join?

Not nearly Libertarian enough, sorry.

I never said it was Libertarian. More of some kind of environmentalistic anarchism.

yes, i would join your nation as long as you pay my salary in bitcoin.

Read the idea again. No money you know.

how about the price of lifes lost?

with just a few guns we would be conquered in a day or two

That's why I asked in the beginning. Loss of life is unnecessary, and can hopefully be avoided!

No, since we would not have a really army, we would only have a few guns to shoot at the invaders.

So without any Navy and air-force, how are you going to defend yourself from the invaders? Even the Somalian pirates are nowadays armed with Rocket propelled grenades.  

Well, I didn't plan to found it in Somalia either!
I'm not thinking of a big nation, and I don't think an airport would even fit on the island. And military ships would probably be as big as the island itself.

I think you're thinking that I'm gonna take a 1000ha island or something, lol!
(Which is not the plan)

[Lauda]

Hope that they don't kill you, you mean?

Essentially, yes!
But I hardly doubt the nation would do much about it (as long as the nation is not a dictatorship). Wouldn't be worth the time and money to invade an island with a bunch of pot smoking hippies (in my imagination that's what we'd be in their eyes).

Or:
step 1) Develop an Iron Man like suit.
step 2) Take the land that you want.
step 3) Enjoy having the upper hand and being able to defend your nation.

[jparsley]

How wil u get that kind of cash

[bryant.coleman]

How wil u get that kind of cash

May be he'll rise the money from people here, by offering shares for his project. Once it is established, revenue won't be a problem. It will come in from the taxes and tourism.

[IIOII]

If I started my own nation, would you join?
Would you be willing to by military means defend against the country from which we stole our territory from?
We would be a nation with the principles of "Be nice" (yes, marijuana would be legal).
We would be a nation where you only work a few hours a week with communal stuff like farming, fishing or building, and in exchange you'd get a house to live in and organic food (and most of the time you could whatever you want, like: lie on the beach and getting high).
Weapons would be banned unless we were invaded (there would be no reason to have them otherwise).
Hard drugs would be illegal (like heroin or cocain).
We would live in harmony with nature, and our electricity would be 100% renewable.
We would have a direct-democracy, so everyone could get their voice through.
Yeah, basically start an utopia?

Which of you would join?

First you start with all these good intentions and then you will gradually abolish them when you have to confront reality... I guess that's what history teaches us. 
You promise a lot of things but offer no explanation how you could keep your promises. If you want me to join your nation, you have to give more thoughtful guidance.

[blacksails]

If I started my own nation, would you join?
Would you be willing to by military means defend against the country from which we stole our territory from?
We would be a nation with the principles of "Be nice" (yes, marijuana would be legal).
We would be a nation where you only work a few hours a week with communal stuff like farming, fishing or building, and in exchange you'd get a house to live in and organic food (and most of the time you could whatever you want, like: lie on the beach and getting high).
Weapons would be banned unless we were invaded (there would be no reason to have them otherwise).
Hard drugs would be illegal (like heroin or cocain).
We would live in harmony with nature, and our electricity would be 100% renewable.
We would have a direct-democracy, so everyone could get their voice through.
Yeah, basically start an utopia?

Which of you would join?

First you start with all these good intentions and then you will gradually abolish them when you have to confront reality... I guess that's what history teaches us. 
You promise a lot of things but offer no explanation how you could keep your promises. If you want me to join your nation, you have to give more thoughtful guidance.

As I've stated numerous times, this is purely hypothetical. I have no thought-through plans.
I don't really see why I would have to abolish any of the rules? As long as the nation doesn't grow to much there won't be any problems. And since it would be direct-democratic everyone could tell how they think our nation should be.

[Lauda]

First you start with all these good intentions and then you will gradually abolish them when you have to confront reality... I guess that's what history teaches us. 
You promise a lot of things but offer no explanation how you could keep your promises. If you want me to join your nation, you have to give more thoughtful guidance.

History teaches us nothing.