If I started my own nation...

[bryant.coleman]

I wasn't trying to be offensive, but quite a lot of Serbians spam around the web with that kind of lies..

The allegations cut both ways. You will argue that the Serbs are lying. Serbs will argue that you are the one who is lying.

[Kiki112]

I wasn't trying to be offensive, but quite a lot of Serbians spam around the web with that kind of lies..

The allegations cut both ways. You will argue that the Serbs are lying. Serbs will argue that you are the one who is lying.

yes, not all Serbs, only the nationalist ones

mostly teenagers, they outgrow that phase usually

the million man myth is mathematicaly impossible because there weren't that many Serbs on our teritorry at all

in 1910. (Triune kingdom)

650 000 Serbs

in 1991. time of the declaration of independence

581 000 Serbs

106 000 declaring themselves as Yugoslavs (probably more then half are ethnic Serbs, the rest mixed nations)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1991_Croatian_census

besides, I'v just found some more relevent population data, this is data from wikipedia



Source, demographics http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Serbs_of_Croatia

you can see that the decrease of the Serbian population from 1931. to 1948. so before and after the war is only 90 000

there is no disccusion to be made, relevant Serbian historians and politicians know this data is false, only teenagers claim this myth is true as they don't possess enough information

[Lauda]

When did this turn into a political thread about Bosnia, Serbia and Croatia?

[Kiki112]

When did this turn into a political thread about Bosnia, Serbia and Croatia?

when we started talking about war

someone claimed no one would invade because of freedom, I said it didn't stop the Serbs, and that's how it escalated

[sosulon]

I wasn't trying to be offensive, but quite a lot of Serbians spam around the web with that kind of lies..

The allegations cut both ways. You will argue that the Serbs are lying. Serbs will argue that you are the one who is lying.

A typical he says , she says

[Kiki112]

I wasn't trying to be offensive, but quite a lot of Serbians spam around the web with that kind of lies..

The allegations cut both ways. You will argue that the Serbs are lying. Serbs will argue that you are the one who is lying.

A typical he says , she says

doesn't matter what someone argues, the demographics data can't lie

[bryant.coleman]

doesn't matter what someone argues, the demographics data can't lie

I don't want to further hijack the original thread. But most of the people will understand the facts.

[yntro]

No thank you I am pretty comfortable here :DD

[Kiki112]

doesn't matter what someone argues, the demographics data can't lie

I don't want to further hijack the original thread. But most of the people will understand the facts.

I hope so

[blacksails]

Okay, now that we're done with this Yugoslavia thing, where do you think it would be a good idea to locate this nation? (Still hypothetically!)
I'm thinking maybe Belize? Small army, nice and cheap islands in the Caribbean, and it's a democracy with no real problems on civil rights.
Do you have any better ideas?

[Kiki112]

Okay, now that we're done with this Yugoslavia thing, where do you think it would be a good idea to locate this nation? (Still hypothetically!)
I'm thinking maybe Belize? Small army, nice and cheap islands in the Caribbean, and it's a democracy with no real problems on civil rights.
Do you have any better ideas?

how about Cortes Bank?

[blacksails]

Okay, now that we're done with this Yugoslavia thing, where do you think it would be a good idea to locate this nation? (Still hypothetically!)
I'm thinking maybe Belize? Small army, nice and cheap islands in the Caribbean, and it's a democracy with no real problems on civil rights.
Do you have any better ideas?

how about Cortes Bank?

Nah, I think it's better to just get a non-submerged island. I guess we'd run into trouble for sure if we started dumping sand and stuff on a submerged island within another nations control, at least if that nation is as organized as the US!

[Kiki112]

Okay, now that we're done with this Yugoslavia thing, where do you think it would be a good idea to locate this nation? (Still hypothetically!)
I'm thinking maybe Belize? Small army, nice and cheap islands in the Caribbean, and it's a democracy with no real problems on civil rights.
Do you have any better ideas?

how about Cortes Bank?

Nah, I think it's better to just get a non-submerged island. I guess we'd run into trouble for sure if we started dumping sand and stuff on a submerged island within another nations control, at least if that nation is as organized as the US!

isn't the EEZ 12 miles?

that means Cortes bank doesn't belong to any country

[blacksails]

Okay, now that we're done with this Yugoslavia thing, where do you think it would be a good idea to locate this nation? (Still hypothetically!)
I'm thinking maybe Belize? Small army, nice and cheap islands in the Caribbean, and it's a democracy with no real problems on civil rights.
Do you have any better ideas?

how about Cortes Bank?

Nah, I think it's better to just get a non-submerged island. I guess we'd run into trouble for sure if we started dumping sand and stuff on a submerged island within another nations control, at least if that nation is as organized as the US!

isn't the EEZ 12 miles?

that means Cortes bank doesn't belong to any country

No, the EEZ is 200 miles!
Otherwise building a new nation would be an option. Only the territorial water is 12 miles.

[Kiki112]

Okay, now that we're done with this Yugoslavia thing, where do you think it would be a good idea to locate this nation? (Still hypothetically!)
I'm thinking maybe Belize? Small army, nice and cheap islands in the Caribbean, and it's a democracy with no real problems on civil rights.
Do you have any better ideas?

how about Cortes Bank?

Nah, I think it's better to just get a non-submerged island. I guess we'd run into trouble for sure if we started dumping sand and stuff on a submerged island within another nations control, at least if that nation is as organized as the US!

isn't the EEZ 12 miles?

that means Cortes bank doesn't belong to any country

No, the EEZ is 200 miles!
Otherwise building a new nation would be an option. Only the territorial water is 12 miles.

ohhh yeah, god damn it..

Saya del Maha is already taken by bryant.coleman we need to find something new

[blacksails]

Okay, now that we're done with this Yugoslavia thing, where do you think it would be a good idea to locate this nation? (Still hypothetically!)
I'm thinking maybe Belize? Small army, nice and cheap islands in the Caribbean, and it's a democracy with no real problems on civil rights.
Do you have any better ideas?

how about Cortes Bank?

Nah, I think it's better to just get a non-submerged island. I guess we'd run into trouble for sure if we started dumping sand and stuff on a submerged island within another nations control, at least if that nation is as organized as the US!

isn't the EEZ 12 miles?

that means Cortes bank doesn't belong to any country

No, the EEZ is 200 miles!
Otherwise building a new nation would be an option. Only the territorial water is 12 miles.

ohhh yeah, god damn it..

Saya del Maha is already taken by bryant.coleman we need to find something new

Or we take an already claimed island and hope for the best!

[Kiki112]

Okay, now that we're done with this Yugoslavia thing, where do you think it would be a good idea to locate this nation? (Still hypothetically!)
I'm thinking maybe Belize? Small army, nice and cheap islands in the Caribbean, and it's a democracy with no real problems on civil rights.
Do you have any better ideas?

how about Cortes Bank?

Nah, I think it's better to just get a non-submerged island. I guess we'd run into trouble for sure if we started dumping sand and stuff on a submerged island within another nations control, at least if that nation is as organized as the US!

isn't the EEZ 12 miles?

that means Cortes bank doesn't belong to any country

No, the EEZ is 200 miles!
Otherwise building a new nation would be an option. Only the territorial water is 12 miles.

ohhh yeah, god damn it..

Saya del Maha is already taken by bryant.coleman we need to find something new

Or we take an already claimed island and hope for the best!

so we wait for bryant to build an island and we take it from him?

we could do that on the island in Panama we were talking about in bryants thread, or purchase an island in Greece, they might even leave it but I'm not so sure

how do you plan on defending the island?

[blacksails]

Okay, now that we're done with this Yugoslavia thing, where do you think it would be a good idea to locate this nation? (Still hypothetically!)
I'm thinking maybe Belize? Small army, nice and cheap islands in the Caribbean, and it's a democracy with no real problems on civil rights.
Do you have any better ideas?

how about Cortes Bank?

Nah, I think it's better to just get a non-submerged island. I guess we'd run into trouble for sure if we started dumping sand and stuff on a submerged island within another nations control, at least if that nation is as organized as the US!

isn't the EEZ 12 miles?

that means Cortes bank doesn't belong to any country

No, the EEZ is 200 miles!
Otherwise building a new nation would be an option. Only the territorial water is 12 miles.

ohhh yeah, god damn it..

Saya del Maha is already taken by bryant.coleman we need to find something new

Or we take an already claimed island and hope for the best!

so we wait for bryant to build an island and we take it from him?

we could do that on the island in Panama we were talking about in bryants thread, or purchase an island in Greece, they might even leave it but I'm not so sure

how do you plan on defending the island?

Yeah, let's steal bryants island! (Don't worry bryant, this is purely hypothetical)
We could maybe do it in Panama or Costa Rica since none of them has an army. But remember that the Belizian army is really small, and also the area is heavy influenced from being a british colony until the 90's.

I think we've been over that defense thing a couple of times, I don't really plan to defend it since I don't think they would care much (unless we were actively breaking laws the Belizian government considered really important). Not breaking them could be considered out "defense policy".
Those laws would probably not even collide with ours.

[Kiki112]

so are we going in this any further?

let's pick an island and make plans how would we make it function and set up defenses if needed

[blacksails]

so are we going in this any further?

let's pick an island and make plans how would we make it function and set up defenses if needed

First we should probably pick an island and then we could start calculating the costs. We should probably buy the island as well, so we really just occupy our own island.