colinistheman (OP)
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April 11, 2014, 02:46:18 PM |
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It comes down to one thing only. Control of energy production! Much cheaper and efficient ways have been invented but buried(literally, with the inventor) before the masses were aware. We still burn fossil fuel FFS! You know that "they" don't want a problem-free world, but sheeple will always blame each other when the real criminals are hiding in plain sight. If you know who "they" are, you know it's not the governments of the world.
^ good point. I forgot about this very important aspect of free energy. If what Thrive says is true, this would change the planet too. But I think we run into the same problem with the "elites" at the top suppressing free energy information too, because they own large oil corporations and have vested interest in people needing oil, gas, etc.
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colinistheman (OP)
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April 11, 2014, 02:58:39 PM |
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The main flaw in conspiracy theories is the very idea that something so big and complex as a global conspiracy could actually work without the people involved screwing up everything due to lazyness, mismanagement, greed, traison or just plain stupidity. When you follow a conspiracy theory, you're just assuming it's possible to have a group of people work together without ever having anyone doing anything wrong (*).
Good luck with that.
(*) Or with the ability to always recover from any mistake, however big; which is just as unlikely.
I understand your doubt at this being possible, but this is how it's possible: When you own/control the majority of the planet's gold supply and have most nations in debt to you, and these same nations are actually physically incapable of paying off these debts (see here why it's impossible for countries to pay off their debts: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iFDe5kUUyT0 ) then this is the actual recipe to effectively have control over every government.
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April 11, 2014, 03:38:15 PM |
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It comes down to one thing only. Control of energy production! Much cheaper and efficient ways have been invented but buried(literally, with the inventor) before the masses were aware. We still burn fossil fuel FFS! You know that "they" don't want a problem-free world, but sheeple will always blame each other when the real criminals are hiding in plain sight. If you know who "they" are, you know it's not the governments of the world.
^ good point. I forgot about this very important aspect of free energy. If what Thrive says is true, this would change the planet too. But I think we run into the same problem with the "elites" at the top suppressing free energy information too, because they own large oil corporations and have vested interest in people needing oil, gas, etc. You don't have to go that extreme, to the point of totally free energy. I actually don't believe in such a thing unless it's just a naming convention. "Free" as in gravity for example. ![Smiley](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/smiley.gif) Not literally free but as free as it gets; you know. What is possible is running your car with regular tap water after processing it the night before you fill your tank with very little upfront investment(compared to what you pay for gas) in equipment. When and if this becomes public knowledge and masses begin using the technology, govs will be taxing the general consumer for energy generation licenses. I'm not saying they shouldn't but it will most likely be a ridiculous amount; so much that no residential user will be willing/able to pay. So, we'll be forced to run on gas but this time knowing that it isn't the only way. Just like Bitcoin, things will begin to change. BTW, electric and hybrid cars are totally useless tech, designed to silence environment activists and keep people busy. The inefficiency of power cells, in every aspect; from production cost to life cycle to weight is incredibly stupid.
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April 11, 2014, 03:41:34 PM |
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The US Navy already found out how to power the boats and other sea vechilcles with salt water, so you know if they can do that, they re protecting the gas companies to keep producing fuel that pollutes the air.
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colinistheman (OP)
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April 11, 2014, 03:57:16 PM |
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You don't have to go that extreme, to the point of totally free energy. I actually don't believe in such a thing unless it's just a naming convention. "Free" as in gravity for example. ![Smiley](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/smiley.gif) Not literally free but as free as it gets; you know. What is possible is running your car with regular tap water after processing it the night before you fill your tank with very little upfront investment(compared to what you pay for gas) in equipment. When and if this becomes public knowledge and masses begin using the technology, govs will be taxing the general consumer for energy generation licenses. I'm not saying they shouldn't but it will most likely be a ridiculous amount; so much that no residential user will be willing/able to pay. So, we'll be forced to run on gas but this time knowing that it isn't the only way. Just like Bitcoin, things will begin to change. BTW, electric and hybrid cars are totally useless tech, designed to silence environment activists and keep people busy. The inefficiency of power cells, in every aspect; from production cost to life cycle to weight is incredibly stupid. Makes sense. Too bad free energy (or nearly free energy) doesn't have the same unstoppable nature that Bitcoin has by programmable design. That is what puts Bitcoin out ahead of the pack as far as things that will break oppressive control. The technology of decentralization is the most ingenious gift mankind has given itself since fire. Now it just needs to be implemented in as many fields as possible. Tor and Bit-torrent were the first. Money and Bitcoin are the second, and perhaps the most impacting of all.
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colinistheman (OP)
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April 11, 2014, 04:01:59 PM |
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The reason for all problems on earth are greed and jealously, bitcoin will not solve these problems.
Bitcoin will not ever remove greed and jealousy from the hearts of men. But Bitcoin will forcibly and passively take the power from the individuals who are exhibiting the worst case scenarios of greed and jealousy (on massive scales), and return it to the more decent person.
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April 11, 2014, 04:02:12 PM |
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My theory is that conspiracy theorists don't have jobs or girlfriends/ wives
' This has been proven to be 100% true. LOL, the freetime has also been showing to explain their irrational thinking.
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Polycoin Troopers, Assemble!
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April 11, 2014, 04:07:30 PM |
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There is enough for everybody's need but not enough for anybody's greed.
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April 11, 2014, 04:31:05 PM |
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My theory is that conspiracy theorists don't have jobs or girlfriends/ wives
' This has been proven to be 100% true. LOL, the freetime has also been showing to explain their irrational thinking. Or that we/they are thinking faster or more efficiently than you and don't need 8-10 hour extra per day to be able to think about stuff other than sex and money. Try to be a bit more than a regular work-horse please. It's good stuff. ![Smiley](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/smiley.gif)
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April 11, 2014, 05:01:30 PM |
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My theory is that conspiracy theorists don't have jobs or girlfriends/ wives
' This has been proven to be 100% true. LOL, the freetime has also been showing to explain their irrational thinking. Or that we/they are thinking faster or more efficiently than you and don't need 8-10 hour extra per day to be able to think about stuff other than sex and money. Try to be a bit more than a regular work-horse please. It's good stuff. ![Smiley](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/smiley.gif) Its 50/50 for both, but studies show lack of social life and involvement in any sort of activity may cause paranoia, loss of sleep, irritability, and overall crazyness.
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April 11, 2014, 05:21:13 PM |
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it can reduce poor people by giving money to schizophrenics
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i am here.
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April 11, 2014, 06:00:57 PM |
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Bitcoin is not the solution for human problems. But bitcoin shows what they are. People think that because bitcoin is not regulated, then they can do with the price whatever they please to gain profits for themselves. But the problem is that by doing this, they are proving that they didn't grow up for bitcoin yet. I'ts like closed circle. People was stupid and acted like they pleased from the begining of humanity so to protect against them others created countries, governments and laws. Now some bitcoin people are against laws and governments or regulated money but they show that they are needed even in bitcoin world because thanks to unnecesary volatility merchants can't simply adopt bitcoin as paynment without 3rd party companies who takes risk by themselves. And most of them don't want to even do that. We have long way ahead and I doub't I will live long enough to see mature people who don't need any regulations or laws because they are not selfish and know what works best for all and not only for them. I think bitcoin came too soon.
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April 11, 2014, 06:03:24 PM |
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My theory is that conspiracy theorists don't have jobs or girlfriends/ wives
' This has been proven to be 100% true. LOL, the freetime has also been showing to explain their irrational thinking. Or that we/they are thinking faster or more efficiently than you and don't need 8-10 hour extra per day to be able to think about stuff other than sex and money. Try to be a bit more than a regular work-horse please. It's good stuff. ![Smiley](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/smiley.gif) Its 50/50 for both, but studies show lack of social life and involvement in any sort of activity may cause paranoia, loss of sleep, irritability, and overall crazyness. Correct. Some people can't handle it and burn a few wires in the process. Anyway, no arguments there. lol All I'm saying is that everybody should at least try to go a little bit out of their boxes predetermined by the society which is in fact an ever-changing entity with the people it calls crazy in the front lines most of the time. History is full of "crazy" people who were right after all. Today, we call their opposition stupid short-sighted morons. ![Smiley](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/smiley.gif)
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April 11, 2014, 06:15:52 PM |
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Love conspiracy theorists, always brighten up the day with their mad cap delusions of everything being connected to everything by design. On the other hand, those ideas pollute more modest ideas that might lead to change, so that people don't want to associate. Why not just accept that shit just happens?
You're wrong bud, OP is predominantly right, it's not theory it's praxis and there are countless documentaries about it, you just have chosen to say blind.... btw I wasn't aware of Dropbox policy... anymore info on that?
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April 11, 2014, 06:19:43 PM |
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...and the problem is not in having governments. problem is how they do their job, and so far history told us they primarily work for the interests of few/elite, while ordinary people are living much worse than they should given the technology advancement and hyperproduction we have today. we're enslaved by money that is printed in uncontolled fashion, and the inflation is killing our standard. and there's energy that is not free but it should be, because it can.
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April 11, 2014, 06:24:03 PM |
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...and the problem is not in having governments. problem is how they do their job, and so far history told us they primarily work for the interests of few/elite, while ordinary people are living much worse than they should given the technology advancement and hyperproduction we have today. we're enslaved by money that is printed in uncontolled fashion, and the inflation is killing our standard. and there's energy that is not free but it should be, because it can.
Exactly. Where did this idea of conspiracy=anti-gov come from? It's not true. Just because some of them think so doesn't mean every thinker thinks the same way.
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April 11, 2014, 07:10:51 PM |
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Nice sharing
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please unban me.
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April 11, 2014, 07:20:03 PM |
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Exactly. Where did this idea of conspiracy=anti-gov come from? It's not true. Just because some of them think so doesn't mean every thinker thinks the same way.
some people here are making that equal... that's what i see, but it's utterly wrong.
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April 11, 2014, 07:21:27 PM |
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Ah, free energy, this is a good one. The problem with free energy discoveries (that aren't just completely bogus) is they don't scale ( i say this one who has implemented Tesla designed devices). The proponents wont accept that so pretend the technology is suppressed. Nevermind that the non-western world hasn't used the technologies. What shouldn't China or India do to ditch carbon based energy? The conspiracy also ignores the significant economic point that there are more vested interests that would benefit from cheaper/free energy than there are interests involved in energy. In fact considering oil, there's more economic value to non-energy use than burning it up. Consider electricity (mostly non-oil generated), the cost of coal is dirt cheap, its the transportation, the building a precision machine, the distribution network etc that cost money, money that needs investment upfront for pay back over generations. The problem is that there are decent alternative energy tech, but people investigating or wanting investment sound too much like the nutters shouting about breaking away from "Big Oil" etc, so people shy away. But of course the conspiracist will tell you that's part of the suppression... ![Roll Eyes](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/rolleyes.gif)
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April 11, 2014, 07:53:48 PM |
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The reason for all problems on earth are greed and jealously, bitcoin will not solve these problems.
Bitcoin will not ever remove greed and jealousy from the hearts of men. But Bitcoin will forcibly and passively take the power from the individuals who are exhibiting the worst case scenarios of greed and jealousy (on massive scales), and return it to the more decent person. It has been proved anyone can be turned into a monster, real decent people you talk about are very rare, the new bitcoin elite is well established and human nature will once again prevail. I understand your point. As you suggest, perhaps there will be a power shift from the current dictators to the new bitcoin elite. But either way, the difference is that the new bitcoin elite can't print money, and don't control the money supply. So it's actually better in my opinion.
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