Ukraine gold sent to America

[bryant.coleman]

http://tavernkeepers.com/report-ukraine-gold-sent-to-america/

Later, the editors were called by one of the senior officials of the former Ministry of Income and Fees, who reported that, according to him, tonight on the orders of one of the “new leaders” of Ukraine, all the gold reserves of the Ukraine were taken to the United States.

After two days of hectoring the U.S. State Department by telephone and e-mail, and doing so as a newspaper editor, your secretary/treasurer today recruited his U.S. representative’s office to try to extract from State an answer to the question of whether the U.S. government has taken custody of Ukraine’s gold reserves

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[Sithara007]

they will never get it back.

[bryant.coleman]

they will never get it back.

The chances are so. I don't understand the need to take the gold to the US. If they were fearful of a Russian invasion, then they could take the gold to some of the neighboring nations, such as Hungary or Slovakia.

[Nemo1024]

they will never get it back.

The chances are so. I don't understand the need to take the gold to the US. If they were fearful of a Russian invasion, then they could take the gold to some of the neighboring nations, such as Hungary or Slovakia.

Germany still demands it's gold reserve back (as does France). Germany got some golden bars, that didn't have German seal on them, after Lybian gold got hauled over to US. Chances are, Germany will get more gold "repatriated" in freshly re-cast Ukrainian gold.

[Sithara007]

Germany still demands it's gold reserve back (as does France). Germany got some golden bars, that didn't have German seal on them, after Lybian gold got hauled over to US. Chances are, Germany will get more gold "repatriated" in freshly re-cast Ukrainian gold.

Fat chance of getting any of it back. The US will classify it as holocaust repatriation payments and keep it in the federal reserve.

[bryant.coleman]

Germany still demands it's gold reserve back (as does France).

It was Russia who defeated the Nazi Germany. And how did the US got to keep all the gold?

[Kenshin]

they will never get it back.

The chances are so. I don't understand the need to take the gold to the US. If they were fearful of a Russian invasion, then they could take the gold to some of the neighboring nations, such as Hungary or Slovakia.

I bet the trouble in Ukraine was a secret operation by the US government. I saw on TV a few days ago. US government hired mercenary to create problem in Ukraine.

http://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/ukraine-crisis/russia-claims-american-mercenaries-are-eastern-ukraine-n74571
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2576490/Are-Blackwater-active-Ukraine-Videos-spark-talk-U-S-mercenary-outfit-deployed-Donetsk.html

[Nemo1024]

While on the topic of gold. Last I read, there are some priceless Scythian gold artefacts sitting in Holland they were on loan for a special exhibition, organised shortly before the unrest turned violent, with items coming from 4 Crimean and 1 Ukrainian museums. Not recognising Crimea, Holland refused to return the items.

One would think that it would be natural to return those artefacts to the respective museums whence they come from.

http://tavernkeepers.com/report-ukraine-gold-sent-to-america/

And it's not just about gold:

Ukraine will never see one dollar of the IMF money. What the IMF is going to do is to substitute Ukrainian indebtedness to the IMF for Ukrainian indebtedness to Western banks. The IMF will hand over the money to the Western banks, and the Western banks will reduce Ukraine’s indebtedness by the amount of IMF money. Instead of being indebted to the banks, Ukraine will now be indebted to the IMF”…

(Note: With the help of the EU and the US, a central banker allied with the West is now the President of the Ukraine. His name is: Oleksandr Turchynov).

[bythesea]

Considering Russia did occupied Hungary after WW2 and build ( well rebuild it ), started projects like underground transport system, and other projects I still think Russia has a big influence there and would get gold or at least some part of it....

[Nemo1024]

Considering Russia did occupied Hungary after WW2 and build ( well rebuild it ), started projects like underground transport system, and other projects I still think Russia has a big influence there and would get gold or at least some part of it....

There is one big difference. Russia would have gotten the gold out of Hungary to return it to Ukrainian vaults as Russia has no interest in having a destabilised country for it's neighbour. With the gold  looted to US, it's gone from Ukrainian vaults for good.

[murraypaul]

Considering Russia did occupied Hungary after WW2 and build ( well rebuild it ), started projects like underground transport system, and other projects I still think Russia has a big influence there and would get gold or at least some part of it....

There is one big difference. Russia would have gotten the gold out of Hungary to return it to Ukrainian vaults as Russia has no interest in having a destabilised country for it's neighbour.

Russia has a great interest in having a destabilised country for a neighbour, for just long enough to take advantage of the destabilisation to take over the country.

[bryant.coleman]

Russia has a great interest in having a destabilised country for a neighbour, for just long enough to take advantage of the destabilisation to take over the country.

I doubt that. No nation wants a failed state to be its neighbor. Russia just wants NATO to keep its bases away from Ukraine. I think that is Putin's main concern about the recent events in Ukraine.

[Nemo1024]

Russia has a great interest in having a destabilised country for a neighbour, for just long enough to take advantage of the destabilisation to take over the country.

That logic fails. By taking a destabilised state and incorporating it into your own country, you take all the instability, which would undermine your country from within. Russia is interested in a neutral, stable buffer state. That's one of the reasons Russia was subsidising gas and giving grants (not loans) to Ukraine. This is also the reason why Russia now pushes for constitutional reforms so that Ukraine becomes a federation, which should keep the interests of both Eastern and Western regions in balance. And Russia is prepared to give financial help to Ukraine (again) once a legitimate government is formed.

[zolace]

http://tavernkeepers.com/report-ukraine-gold-sent-to-america/

Later, the editors were called by one of the senior officials of the former Ministry of Income and Fees, who reported that, according to him, tonight on the orders of one of the “new leaders” of Ukraine, all the gold reserves of the Ukraine were taken to the United States.

After two days of hectoring the U.S. State Department by telephone and e-mail, and doing so as a newspaper editor, your secretary/treasurer today recruited his U.S. representative’s office to try to extract from State an answer to the question of whether the U.S. government has taken custody of Ukraine’s gold reserves

If this is true, then we should expect the 'liberation' of some other countries as well. Who might they be?

[bythesea]

Russia has a great interest in having a destabilised country for a neighbour, for just long enough to take advantage of the destabilisation to take over the country.

That logic fails. By taking a destabilised state and incorporating it into your own country, you take all the instability, which would undermine your country from within. Russia is interested in a neutral, stable buffer state. That's one of the reasons Russia was subsidising gas and giving grants (not loans) to Ukraine. This is also the reason why Russia now pushes for constitutional reforms so that Ukraine becomes a federation, which should keep the interests of both Eastern and Western regions in balance. And Russia is prepared to give financial help to Ukraine (again) once a legitimate government is formed.

Well not true at all... Destabilize one country and that it is a USA way for decades now. Destabilize economy, industry, military, education system, health care, food production and just take over that country by promising better things if that country takes credits. If Russia takes gold from Ukraine then it will have leverage considering gold is high rated commodity in IMF and gives lots of votes + selling gold gives you cash to pay your debts, if Ukraine isnt able to due that Russia would have advantage in taking over key industry points.

[minime]

Germany still demands it's gold reserve back (as does France).

It was Russia who defeated the Nazi Germany. And how did the US got to keep all the gold?

its no nazi gold its gold from the bundesbank which was bought after ww2.... they somehow had the idea that the gold would be safer in us hands..
and they are getting it back now.. slowly and cost expensive...

[zolace]

Germany still demands it's gold reserve back (as does France).

It was Russia who defeated the Nazi Germany. And how did the US got to keep all the gold?

its no nazi gold its gold from the bundesbank which was bought after ww2.... they somehow had the idea that the gold would be safer in us hands..
and they are getting it back now.. slowly and cost expensive...

Germany should have intercepted it, as they have requested their physical gold back from the Fed and have been told, essentially, that the return of said gold will take around 77 years

[bryant.coleman]

If this is true, then we should expect the 'liberation' of some other countries as well. Who might they be?

I have no idea. China may be? They have huge gold reserves.... and their reserve is probably bigger than even that of the US.

[Nemo1024]

Well not true at all... Destabilize one country and that it is a USA way for decades now.

With one important, I would say, vital, difference: The US destabilises countries not on its borders, but on somebody else's borders.

[Onar]

Lookin on history, russia is a wolf. When Sovjet get formed millions died, millions have died in the russian wars. Know with a new leader Russia is starting to look out of its own boarders. To be a neighbour country to Russia would scare the hell out of me If I was a leader (not under russia hands). If I were them I would send all my gold to a neutral country that shown international stability during any event the 150 last years. US have not have a war in the country, only pearl harbour bombing. Regards to stability and its power US is the best place to send a country gold. If you sends it to a neighbour country that might be under russian influece somehow, the chance is bigger to never see the gold.

If more parts in Ukraine becomes a fedaration of Russia, I rather keep the Ukrainian gold reserve a other place. This if something happens, then "Ukraine" has resources that backs up the people elected goverment if they go in exile, if a intervention are started.

What is strange I think, is that a russian speaking minority are so rude that they want to rip a country to pieces just because they talk russian and are from or born by russians. Regardless of historical border lines. in the 21 century we can not look on history and do claims from that, there will be wars over and over again because everybody is entitled to their history. And never be peace and social growth. If they love Russia so move to the promised land russia.
Such beheavior just encourage other countries not to help  people needing it into their countries to help, because later they will have independence, in 10, in 50 or 100 years....and civil war arises.

Norway for example could go to war to Sweden and claim the land their lost for hundreds a year of. Norway with is echonomy could build a military that Sweden could dream off. Also Norway could got to war towards Denmark because greenland historically it was Norwegian. Expecially with the oil resources that know are detected in the north. What about claiming Iceland also, it was Norwegian also during the Viking area. There is plenty of reasons to claim land for any country if looking historical on it. Its a bad thing and shows uninteligancy and just greed and subjective solutions to own benefits.

Russia has a great interest in having a destabilised country for a neighbour, for just long enough to take advantage of the destabilisation to take over the country.

That logic fails. By taking a destabilised state and incorporating it into your own country, you take all the instability, which would undermine your country from within. Russia is interested in a neutral, stable buffer state. That's one of the reasons Russia was subsidising gas and giving grants (not loans) to Ukraine. This is also the reason why Russia now pushes for constitutional reforms so that Ukraine becomes a federation, which should keep the interests of both Eastern and Western regions in balance. And Russia is prepared to give financial help to Ukraine (again) once a legitimate government is formed.