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January 05, 2012, 10:28:28 PM
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Using 5:1, ok good.
1:1 for now  



Main thing is, don't let your margin fall below 2.1-2.5x maintenance.
ok i get the point

edit: so the best approach to the USD BTC deposits is to keep most BTC if you are on a short position and to keep USD if you are on along position, 80/20 rule apply here no ?
I guess it depends on your approach. If you're really going long, IMO it would be better to go long with BTC -- as the price goes up, the value of your BTC (and thus available leverage) also goes up. On the other hand, if you start with BTC and go long and then the price drops, you drop twice as fast. IMO, using USD as your base investment is the best approach, since it won't fluctuate with the value of BTC.

Precisely.  I recently started another account so I could have one for shorts and one for longs to catch all the spikes, and I (try) to fund my short acct totally in BTC and my long in USD.

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January 05, 2012, 10:29:46 PM
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I could grab a penny!



we could very well be on the verge of Proudhon pumping Bitcoin!!!

lol.  I just want to understand how this leveraged trading business works.  It's mystifying the way you guys talk about it.

You're basically just getting a loan from Zhou.  That's the way I look at it.  And if you make money with his money that he loans you, great!  He profits from the spread.  If you lose money, well then he'll break your goddamned legs.

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January 05, 2012, 10:30:29 PM
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sold one at .35 and my position now is lower i am at $6.2841 $6.2927

Yup, instead of giving you your profits, it actually lowers your baseprice as you partially close your position. Once you completely close it, you will receive your profit. But why close it now though? Should have kept it! We're currently on our way UP Smiley

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January 05, 2012, 10:30:51 PM
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Seems like someone is helping these two guys make money -- is that you cypherdoc, putting a bunch of sudden buys in to spike the price up to $6.50? LOL

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January 05, 2012, 10:31:56 PM
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There are tons of people who were waiting to buy.  Could be any one of those.

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January 05, 2012, 10:32:12 PM
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sold one at .35 and my position now is lower i am at $6.2841 $6.2927

Yup, instead of giving you your profits, it actually lowers your baseprice as you partially close your position. Once you completely close it, you will receive your profit. But why close it now though? Should have kept it! We're currently on our way UP Smiley

Right -- if you want to extract some of your profit that you have made so far, just do a withdraw.  If you sell (or buy when short) any of your position, it will just affect your base price.

Beware when withdrawing though, to leave enough in margin in case of a sudden spike.  Object is to not ever liquidate (mine, anyway).

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January 05, 2012, 10:35:31 PM
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lol.  I just want to understand how this leveraged trading business works.  It's mystifying the way you guys talk about it.
for me is like this
10:1
you go to a drug dealer and you have 100$ he give you another 900$ so you can go and buy a larger bag of drugs  if the value of said drugs goes below 900 you have to give the bag to your dealer and then you need to pay him some taxes

Excellent analogy.  It works like when you get a front from your dealer.   Wink

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January 05, 2012, 10:37:52 PM
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I could grab a penny!



we could very well be on the verge of Proudhon pumping Bitcoin!!!

lol.  I just want to understand how this leveraged trading business works.  It's mystifying the way you guys talk about it.

how u likin this Proudhon!!!? you be makin MONEY!!!
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January 05, 2012, 10:39:31 PM
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now that we talk about leverage, how on earth on bond market they give you 400:1 the variance need to be damn f low so they give you that leverage  Cheesy

Yeah... Bitcoin is not a normal market Wink

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January 05, 2012, 10:40:59 PM
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I could grab a penny!



we could very well be on the verge of Proudhon pumping Bitcoin!!!

lol.  I just want to understand how this leveraged trading business works.  It's mystifying the way you guys talk about it.

how u likin this Proudhon!!!? you be makin MONEY!!!

LOL. You guys need to teach me this trading business as well. Seems too damn hard with all these terms. WTF is spread or margin ? I feel like an idiot every time I read the speculation board.
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January 05, 2012, 10:42:14 PM
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gaud, what i'd pay to see Proudhon get excited... Wink
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January 05, 2012, 10:43:25 PM
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Look at you two in the black already! Good timing.  Cheesy
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January 05, 2012, 10:44:51 PM
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LOL, the market is climbing just b/c of Proudhon.  how ironic; after all his trolling, if he ends up owning an island next to the rest of us.
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January 05, 2012, 10:45:16 PM
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gaud, what i'd pay to see Proudhon get excited... Wink

This is pretty cool.  I still don't get what the fuck I'm supposed to do.  Liquidate?  Withdraw?  What's the difference?  I'm sure I'll figure it out.  I guess I picked a ok time to go long.  Grin
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January 05, 2012, 10:45:32 PM
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I could grab a penny!



we could very well be on the verge of Proudhon pumping Bitcoin!!!

lol.  I just want to understand how this leveraged trading business works.  It's mystifying the way you guys talk about it.

how u likin this Proudhon!!!? you be makin MONEY!!!

LOL. You guys need to teach me this trading business as well. Seems too damn hard with all these terms. WTF is spread or margin ? I feel like an idiot every time I read the speculation board.

Google should be sufficient to teach you how to trade Smiley

If not, read the drug dealer analogy up there.  
Leverage = You borrow money and use it to take a position on the market.  Later on, you return the money.  If you lose enough money, your own balance is wiped out and you have to repay the loan.  It's a way of multiplying returns.
Spread = Ask - bid: Bitcoinica makes a profit by buying low and selling high to you.  They sell to you at the ask (you buy at ask when you go long), vice versa for bid.
Shorting = When you borrow bitcoins to sell, and the market takes a plunge, and then you buy more bitcoins and keep the difference.

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January 05, 2012, 10:45:36 PM
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Look at you two in the black already! Good timing.  Cheesy

whether he admits it or not, Proudhon was born to be long.
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January 05, 2012, 10:47:55 PM
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this thread has the potential to be the highlight of the week  Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy
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January 05, 2012, 10:48:10 PM
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Look at you two in the black already! Good timing.  Cheesy

whether he admits it or not, Proudhon was born to be long.

He was long back in April... he's simply coming back to the good side.

Proudhon, welcome back.

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January 05, 2012, 10:49:26 PM
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Look at you two in the black already! Good timing.  Cheesy

whether he admits it or not, Proudhon was born to be long.

Is this a racial slur??
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January 05, 2012, 10:49:47 PM
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Look at you two in the black already! Good timing.  Cheesy

whether he admits it or not, Proudhon was born to be long.

He was long back in April... he's simply coming back to the good side.

Proudhon, welcome back.

the shorts are probably screaming in terror once they heard Proudhon was leveraging up.
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