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April 12, 2014, 10:57:48 AM
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Reverse engineering possible ?
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April 12, 2014, 11:18:23 AM
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Uhm... A little vague?

I think people might be able to help you if you actually gave some more details. I'm very uncertain what to make of your post.

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April 12, 2014, 05:04:03 PM
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Uhm... A little vague?

I think people might be able to help you if you actually gave some more details. I'm very uncertain what to make of your post.

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If you're using private keys generated from standard pseudorandom sequence of numbers generated in programming languages like C or C++, the total possible number of private keys that can be generated that way is: 4294967296 (if you're using programs written in Java, the number is: 281474976710656).

Source: https://www.offlineaddress.com/?site=about#security-risk

Moreover, 1/100 probability does not mean the collision will be at 100th time. It may happen at 1st time as well.

So, can reverse engineering this public/private combination possible ?

I have encountered a new kind of randomness in bitaddress.org. It is based on mouse movement. Do u people think it makes thing difficult or easier ?
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April 12, 2014, 09:38:25 PM
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Uhm... A little vague?

I think people might be able to help you if you actually gave some more details. I'm very uncertain what to make of your post.

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If you're using private keys generated from standard pseudorandom sequence of numbers generated in programming languages like C or C++, the total possible number of private keys that can be generated that way is: 4294967296 (if you're using programs written in Java, the number is: 281474976710656).

Source: https://www.offlineaddress.com/?site=about#security-risk

Moreover, 1/100 probability does not mean the collision will be at 100th time. It may happen at 1st time as well.

So, can reverse engineering this public/private combination possible ?

I have encountered a new kind of randomness in bitaddress.org. It is based on mouse movement. Do u people think it makes thing difficult or easier ?

Most well written bitcoin wallets use programming that provides a bit less than 1.16X1077 possible private keys. Therefore the probability of collision is much closer to 0% than you imagine.

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April 12, 2014, 11:03:24 PM
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How come entropy is related to Bitcoin ? Roll Eyes

Because private keys are randomly generated.  It is important that the key not be predictable:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Entropy_%28computing%29
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April 13, 2014, 07:23:12 PM
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Uhm... A little vague?

I think people might be able to help you if you actually gave some more details. I'm very uncertain what to make of your post.

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If you're using private keys generated from standard pseudorandom sequence of numbers generated in programming languages like C or C++, the total possible number of private keys that can be generated that way is: 4294967296 (if you're using programs written in Java, the number is: 281474976710656).

Source: https://www.offlineaddress.com/?site=about#security-risk

Moreover, 1/100 probability does not mean the collision will be at 100th time. It may happen at 1st time as well.

So, can reverse engineering this public/private combination possible ?

I have encountered a new kind of randomness in bitaddress.org. It is based on mouse movement. Do u people think it makes thing difficult or easier ?

Most well written bitcoin wallets use programming that provides a bit less than 1.16X1077 possible private keys. Therefore the probability of collision is much closer to 0% than you imagine.



From a i/p of n how come some software provide n^x entropy w/o using any 3rd random salt ?
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April 13, 2014, 10:54:49 PM
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How come entropy is related to Bitcoin ? Roll Eyes

Cryptography is all about entropy, real entropy is the basis for sound key generation.

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April 17, 2014, 01:53:57 PM
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AFAIK real entropy can take place only in real world. Inside computer n/w everything is a product of a pattern (even the PRNG). How can we xpect real entropy in a computer ?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Entropy_%28computing%29
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August 15, 2014, 06:43:33 PM
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AFAIK real entropy can take place only in real world. Inside computer n/w everything is a product of a pattern (even the PRNG). How can we xpect real entropy in a computer ?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Entropy_%28computing%29


At the top of the article, it is written that This article needs attention from an expert in Cryptography. So, can we trust what is written in this article ?
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August 15, 2014, 07:52:42 PM
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No real entropy in a computer everything is deterministic
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August 15, 2014, 07:55:24 PM
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How come entropy is related to Bitcoin ? Roll Eyes

Because private keys are randomly generated.  It is important that the key not be predictable:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Entropy_%28computing%29

AFAIK real entropy can take place only in real world. Inside computer n/w everything is a product of a pattern (even the PRNG). How can we xpect real entropy in a computer ?

But don't really good entropy systems TAKE the entropy from the "real world" you're referring to? As in noise and such.
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August 15, 2014, 08:00:36 PM
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No real entropy in a computer everything is deterministic

mouse movings...
key presses...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RdRand
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August 15, 2014, 08:02:34 PM
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No real entropy in a computer everything is deterministic

mouse movings...
key presses...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RdRand

Not true random if it has a pattern its not trully random its pseudorandom
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