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April 14, 2014, 04:11:13 PM
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A p2p network is a network that allows two or more computers to share resources equivalents. All nodes have equal rights. In the bitcoin network computers do not share their resources (coins) equivalents and nodes do not have equal rights between them.
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April 14, 2014, 04:21:02 PM
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A p2p network is a network that allows two or more computers to share resources equivalents. All nodes have equal rights. In the bitcoin network computers do not share their resources (coins) equivalents and nodes do not have equal rights between them.

I don't think you understand what a peer-to-peer network is.

Also, bitcoins are not network resources.

Also, all full nodes are equivalent and have equal rights to braodcast and receive transactions and blocks.
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April 14, 2014, 05:20:21 PM
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we mine peer-to-peer don't we? Cheesy

therefore bitcoin is p2p Smiley

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April 14, 2014, 05:43:21 PM
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"A peer-to-peer (P2P) network is a type of decentralized and distributed network architecture in which individual nodes in the network (called "peers") act as both suppliers and consumers of resources, in contrast to the centralized client–server model where client nodes request access to resources provided by central servers."

Just in Bitcoins case the resources supplied and consumed is the blockchain.

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April 14, 2014, 08:59:02 PM
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Bitcoin uses p2p for transactions/mining have u seen the source code

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April 14, 2014, 09:40:44 PM
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seems to fall in the p2p category to me and I'm just somewhat knowledgeable on the matter.  I'm just not sure what the point The OP is getting at.
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April 15, 2014, 09:40:43 AM
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As DannyHamilton mentioned, the bitcoin itself is not the network resource.  Smiley

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April 15, 2014, 11:38:30 AM
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A p2p network is a network that allows two or more computers to share resources equivalents. All nodes have equal rights. In the bitcoin network computers do not share their resources (coins) equivalents and nodes do not have equal rights between them.

I don't think you understand what a peer-to-peer network is.

Also, bitcoins are not network resources.

Also, all full nodes are equivalent and have equal rights to braodcast and receive transactions and blocks.



Good point.
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April 15, 2014, 01:25:20 PM
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Are you for real? Bitcoin is open source, you can check it.
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April 15, 2014, 01:33:00 PM
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b]All nodes have equal rights[/b]. In the bitcoin network computers do not share their resources (coins) equivalents and nodes do not have equal rights between them.

They have equal rights but not equal power (hashing).

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April 16, 2014, 04:33:30 AM
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Profound feeling good, don't understand completely
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April 16, 2014, 07:56:00 AM
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b]All nodes have equal rights[/b]. In the bitcoin network computers do not share their resources (coins) equivalents and nodes do not have equal rights between them.
They have equal rights but not equal power (hashing).
So they dont have equal rights. So the system is not p2p.

No it is 2 different things :

 - A right is what you are allowed to do or not on the protocol. Everyone is a "peer" on the network, every peer is allowed to do the same things as other peers.
 - A hashing power is how much you contribute to the network. Every peer is unique because it is impossible to have the exact same hardware and even if it is the same hardware, the connection and bandwidth will never be the same depending on the location.

Compare with P2P downloading : everyone can upload an download content but everyone have a different computer and Internet connection, yet it is peer-to-peer.
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April 16, 2014, 09:37:22 AM
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OP wants Bitcoin communism!  Grin
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April 16, 2014, 12:26:59 PM
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b]All nodes have equal rights[/b]. In the bitcoin network computers do not share their resources (coins) equivalents and nodes do not have equal rights between them.
They have equal rights but not equal power (hashing).
So they dont have equal rights. So the system is not p2p.
No it is 2 different things :
 - A right is what you are allowed to do or not on the protocol. Everyone is a "peer" on the network, every peer is allowed to do the same things as other peers.
 - A hashing power is how much you contribute to the network. Every peer is unique because it is impossible to have the exact same hardware and even if it is the same hardware, the connection and bandwidth will never be the same depending on the location.
Compare with P2P downloading : everyone can upload an download content but everyone have a different computer and Internet connection, yet it is peer-to-peer.
Yes but in a real p2p network the content is the same in all computers. Bitcoin breaks the p2p rules.

The content of the p2p have nothing to do with the network rights or peers.
Imagine if all the content of the torrent network (that is a real p2p) was a single mp3 file because all peers would have the same content. Absurd.
All peers must have a different content.

There is no universal p2p rules. Each p2p network has it own set of rules. Each peer is different inside a p2p network.

Bitcoin is a real p2p decentralised network.






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April 16, 2014, 02:18:18 PM
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Only thing that isn't decentralized is hashing power with the large mining operations. The blockchain itself is shared equally among peers. As for a system where everyone has an equal share of coins, it simply wouldn't work in a decentralized system.

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April 16, 2014, 05:09:48 PM
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OP wants Bitcoin communism!  Grin
p2p is communism itself. If you dont like it then dont use it.

Bitcoin is capitalist. So why bitcoin uses a communist system?
The hell you're talking about? Bitcoin is decentralized not Communistic, well in a sense it does sound communistic but it ain't
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April 16, 2014, 05:22:05 PM
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Bitcoin is confused system. It mixes two different systems together. You must decide what you are. Are you capitalists or communists? If you are capitalists forget p2p and find another system. If you are communists then make a real p2p coin. Bitcoin is not 100% p2p and not 100% decentralised.

Why communists? Where do you get the idea that bitcoin is a communist system?

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April 17, 2014, 10:02:00 AM
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In a real p2p coin system everyone should have one share-coin each time he is online.

Not in a Proof-of-Work system. The people that mine the more, get more coins but it is still a p2p network.

If you can share a coin through the network like an mp3 file then why you mine it? Mining is a stupid procedure. It is waste of time, money and energy.

Don't avoid the subject, you were wrong, Bitcoin is p2p.

I agree, it is a waste of energy when we have Proof-of-Stake but this is an other topic.

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April 17, 2014, 02:11:11 PM
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No it is not p2p. You cannot download a coin like an mp3 file. There is no file sharing.

Yes good, you noticed. Bitcoin is not a file sharing network, it is a payment system.

I can send a Bitcoin to you and you can send a Bitcoin to me.
We have equal rights in the Bitcoin payment system : we can both pay and receive a payment. This is p2p.

With VISA or MasterCard : you have to pay for a terminal, pay a yearly subscription and fees to receive a payment. The sender and the receiver do not have equal rights, this is not p2p.

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April 17, 2014, 05:26:44 PM
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No it is not p2p. You cannot download a coin like an mp3 file. There is no file sharing.

p2p means there is not central element, meaning peers are connected directly between itselves, which Bitcoin is


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